2006 GCR is out

[Greg Amy]

Nope, if it indicates a weight change then that's wrong too.

To be safe, use the '05 GCR; there have been no specs changes to the E36 during '05 that I'm aware of. - GA

[Banzai240]

Originally posted by GregAmy@Dec 8 2005, 05:44 PM
Nope, if it indicates a weight change then that's wrong too.

To be safe, use the '05 GCR; there have been no specs changes to the E36 during '05 that I'm aware of. - GA

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Guys, the 2006 GCR obviously has some misprints in it... There are still a list of things with the CRB that have yet to be implemented in the GCR for 2006... I'm pretty certain you'll be notified via Fastrack over the next couple of months... The BoD/CRB meetings are being finalized now, so we should all be hearing something soon...

[MikeBlaszczak]

Originally posted by Banzai240@Dec 8 2005, 06:48 PM
Guys, the 2006 GCR obviously has some misprints in it... There are still a list of things with the CRB that have yet to be implemented in the GCR for 2006... I'm pretty certain you'll be notified via Fastrack over the next couple of months... The BoD/CRB meetings are being finalized now, so we should all be hearing something soon...

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It might be obvious to you as an insider, but it certainly isn't obvious to the rest of us -- what the book says goes.

Do you have a specific ETA for correct information? I'd like to get working on my car so I don't have to rush through the winter.

[Knestis]

Originally posted by MikeBlaszczak@Dec 9 2005, 03:51 AM
It might be obvious to you as an insider, but it certainly isn't obvious to the rest of us -- what the book says goes. ...

That's a good point. It seems like, particularly since it should be published identically other than each year's marginal changes, the official release of each years GCR could be goof-free. Every year though, something appears.

What's really funny is when nobody says anything the first year, the second year, the third...and the error ends up becoming a de facto new rule.

K

[Banzai240]

Originally posted by Knestis@Dec 9 2005, 12:37 PM
That's a good point. It seems like, particularly since it should be published identically other than each year's marginal changes, the official release of each years GCR could be goof-free. Every year though, something appears.

What's really funny is when nobody says anything the first year, the second year, the third...and the error ends up becoming a de facto new rule.

K

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Why don't you guys just call Jeremy at SCCA Tech... He's the one who will fix it...

Or, you could just add weight to your E30 and put a restrictor on it... Not sure how either would affect a winter build...

I don't really care if you E36 guys take the restrictor off or not... it isn't restricting anything anyhow... :P

[its66]

Originally posted by Banzai240@Dec 9 2005, 01:00 PM
Why don't you guys just call Jeremy at SCCA Tech... He's the one who will fix it...

Or, you could just add weight to your E30 and put a restrictor on it... Not sure how either would affect a winter build...

I don't really care if you E36 guys take the restrictor off or not... it isn't restricting anything anyhow... :P

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Thoennes [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:21 PM
To: Jim Cohen
Cc: John Bauer
Subject: RE: correction...ITCS

We will correct, thanks

-Jeremy


I already did thot for you guys...

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by MikeBlaszczak@Dec 9 2005, 02:51 AM
It might be obvious to you as an insider, but it certainly isn't obvious to the rest of us -- what the book says goes.

Do you have a specific ETA for correct information? I'd like to get working on my car so I don't have to rush through the winter.

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It's true, but if you see something that is obviously in conflict with common sense, then it makes a tremendous amount of sense to ASK before you make a change...because if it is a mistake, it's going to cost you money for rushing to try and take advantage of an error.

I also don't see any weight misprints. The E30 is 2750 and the E36 is 2850...same as in 2005. What is the problem there?

Other than the removal or installation of a RP, there are no issues. What could be holding your off-season up? Seriously?

AB

[gran racing]

All of this goes back to my original question:

So, are these all of the changes for '06? Any of the other adjustments that have been discussed will wait for '07 (if they will happen at all)?

The way I'm reading this thread, the published GCR is just a "draft"? The cars in various classes, rules, etc. are subject to change for 2006? I guess I simply do not understand. I thought that once the GCR was published, those were the rules for that year (excluding misprints). I thought the process for approved items was something like this: proposal to CRB board > fastrack > board approves > fastrack > big board > approves > GCR. I was previously told quite adimately by headquarters that just because it says it was approved in the Fastrack, do not make any decisions till you see it in the GCR. So how does this process really work?

[Greg Amy]

Originally posted by gran racing@Dec 9 2005, 08:06 AM
I thought that once the GCR was published, those were the rules for that year (excluding misprints).

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...and excluding changes published during the year via Fastrack. Changes in Fastrack will denote when they become effective, and they decisively DO NOT always apply only to subsequent years. If approved by the CRB, classification and specs changes can become effective immediately.

I was previously told quite adimately by headquarters that just because it says it was approved in the Fastrack, do not make any decisions till you see it in the GCR.

You were misled; see above.

There is no requirement that rules changes be published in Fastrack for membership review and approval, that's simply the typical process. The CRB has the power to, for example, immediately disqualify your car without further membership comment or input (so you better get that body damage fixed pronto! ) - GA

On edit: Dave, one thing I forgot to mention: all changes to the GCR must be published in Fastrack beforehand, and all Fastrack information becomes null and void in subsequent years, unless it is published in the subsequent year's GCR. Therefore, if you find a change in the GCR from a prior year, yet you cannot find where that change was published in a Fastrack, then it is invalid and needs to be addressed by E&O.

These "changes" to the E30 and E36 BMW are a case in point: these "changes" did not appear in a Fastrack in 2005, therefore they are considered typos and not valid.

Another example was the Miata hard tops; I noticed in the 2005 GCR that the hard tops in IT were changed from "must" to "may"; I could not recall seeing it in Fastrack thus I assumed it was an error. However, a quick note to Jeremy Thoennes confirmed that the change was indeed published in Fastrack in 2004 and was, therefore, legal and effective.

We'll make a rules nerd out of you yet... - GA

[Andy Bettencourt]

Dave,

Fast Track is just as important as the GCR. It serves as:

- Notification of many items
- Rules on Protests
- Rule changes and their effective dates
- Corrections and Ommissions
- Requests for input
- etc

It is an extension of the GCR. If you really wanted to be dilligent, you should have your GCR at every race PLUS the Fast Tracks from the entire previousl year and every one up to date from the current.

AB

[Greg Amy]

I download every Fastrack and use Acrobat to trim out the extraneous stuff (Solo, Rally, entry forms), then keep one PDF of everything from that year. I've always got my notebook PC with me, so at anytime I can search for something that may have happened during the year.

As I did last year, I'm making this PDF available for download for a limited time (1-2 weeks max before I delete it). "Save Target As..." this link and you'll have a PDF with all racing-related stuff from 2005.

2.3 MB

http://www.kakashiracing.com/temp/2005Fastrack.pdf

(On edit: see changes to my post above if you missed them. - GA)

[gran racing]

I just want to get this straight since it goes against what I was previously told and I don't want to provide others wrong info in the future.

For example: If a car show in the Fastrack as approved to be moved to X class effective 2006, it is a done deal?

This goes back to my prelude being reclasses last year. I saw it was in the Fastrack for 2005 (not proposed) but was told to sit tight, it still needed to be passed by the other "big board" before it is final.

Thanks for the clarification!!

[Greg Amy]

"I am a Bill, yes I'm only a Bill, and I'm sittin' here on Capitol Hill..." - Schoolhouse Rock


Dave, all rules changes go through a process, typically from an individual member, to the respective committee (in our case, the ITAC), then to the Club Racing Board, then to the Board of Directors. With the exception of the first step (the ITAC), the minutes of those meetings are published in Fastrak. This is why you may see a proposed rule change 2-3 times in Fastrak before it becomes approved.

The key point is to read the Fastrak when it's published. All changes are published there, and it'll be your only opportunity to offer input before going up for review. When reading Fastrak, it's important to not just scan for "Improved Touring" but also to read UP from there to find out what section it's in. Some examples:

There's an inverse bold section labeled "CLUB RACING BOARD MINUTES". IN there you'll find the minutes of the CRB meeting. Within that are sections labeled:

- PROPOSED RULE CHANGES
- SUBMITTED TO BoD FOR APPROVAL
- RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BoD
- MEMBER ADVISORIES
- NEW CAR CLASSIFICATIONS
- REFERRED or TABLED
- NOT RECOMMENDED

The BoD stuff is what you need to pay attention to. That's what the CRB has agreed to and has submitted to the BoD for approval. It's VERY rare that the BoD does not approve CRB recommendations, so once it's gotten through the CRB it's almost a done deal.

Once the BoD reviews it, you'll see another inverse-bold area labeled "BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING MINUTES" and a section labeled "CLUB RACING BOARD"; following it will be the results of the BoD review of these recommendations. Once you see a rule within this showing "approved" it is effective on the date specified.

Another section to be ware of is "Technical Bulletins". This section is provided typically for E&O and/or clarifications to any rule which does not need CRB or BoD approval.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by gran racing@Dec 9 2005, 11:36 AM


This goes back to my prelude being reclasses last year. I saw it was in the Fastrack for 2005 (not proposed) but was told to sit tight, it still needed to be passed by the other "big board" before it is final.

Thanks for the clarification!!

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Dave,

What Fast Track are you referring to? I bet there was mention of the move in multiples. One as a proposal, another as a change.

Look here to sort:

http://www.scca.com/Garage/Index.asp?IdS=0...90&x=090|005&~=

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by GregAmy@Dec 9 2005, 01:29 PM
"I am a Bill, yes I'm only a Bill, and I'm sittin' here on Capitol Hill..." - Schoolhouse Rock
Dave, all rules changes go through a process, typically from an individual member, to the respective committee (in our case, the ITAC), then to the Club Racing Board, then to the Board of Directors. With the exception of the first step (the ITAC), the minutes of those meetings are published in Fastrak. This is why you may see a proposed rule change 2-3 times in Fastrak before it becomes approved.

The key point is to read the Fastrak when it's published. All changes are published there, and it'll be your only opportunity to offer input before going up for review. When reading Fastrak, it's important to not just scan for "Improved Touring" but also to read UP from there to find out what section it's in. Some examples:

There's an inverse bold section labeled "CLUB RACING BOARD MINUTES". IN there you'll find the minutes of the CRB meeting. Within that are sections labeled:

- PROPOSED RULE CHANGES
- SUBMITTED TO BoD FOR APPROVAL
- RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BoD
- MEMBER ADVISORIES
- NEW CAR CLASSIFICATIONS
- REFERRED or TABLED
- NOT RECOMMENDED

The BoD stuff is what you need to pay attention to. That's what the CRB has agreed to and has submitted to the BoD for approval. It's VERY rare that the BoD does not approve CRB recommendations, so once it's gotten through the CRB it's almost a done deal.

Once the BoD reviews it, you'll see another inverse-bold area labeled "BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING MINUTES" and a section labeled "CLUB RACING BOARD"; following it will be the results of the BoD review of these recommendations. Once you see a rule within this showing "approved" it is effective on the date specified.

Another section to be ware of is "Technical Bulletins". This section is provided typically for E&O and/or clarifications to any rule which does not need CRB or BoD approval.

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[Banzai240]

Just make sure that, when you read it in Fastrack, you know which section it's under... As things go through the approval process, they transition from "suggested" or "recommended" to "approved", etc... They aren't official until they are "approved" and implemented...

[gran racing]

Thanks guys. I've got it now (I think).

[MikeBlaszczak]

Originally posted by Andy Bettencourt@Dec 9 2005, 01:35 PM
I also don't see any weight misprints. The E30 is 2750 and the E36 is 2850...same as in 2005. What is the problem there?

Other than the removal or installation of a RP, there are no issues. What could be holding your off-season up? Seriously?

I'd like to know the minimum race weight for my car. If I'm still at 2850, then I'm ready to go racing.

If I'm getting a weight penalty, I'd like to know so that I can evaluate which class I'll run in and start to prepare the car appropriately. If I stay [focused] in ITS, I'll need to start fabricating a ballast box, get it mounted and filled; and then start working on performance improvements to try to overcome whatever weight was assigned to me.

I've been thinking about new wheels. If my race weight stays the same, I have the room to get lighter wheels. If my race weight changes heavier, I don't want to get lighter wheels. Not yet, anyway.

There have been posts on this form saying that the E36es will get more weight for the 2006 season. I'm surprised to not find it here. There's been repeated posts about the rules for ballast changing to accommodate the large amount of weight the E36es were rumored to be getting, but rule 9.L remains the same about aft of the firewall and fore of the seat.

Darin says that there's still a list of things that haven't been implemented for 2006 yet. You seem to be saying that the pipeline is clear, and that I can plan on racing my car as it is specified in the 2006 copy of the GCR we have.

Greg says a weight change is wrong. Jake says that retaining last year's weight wasn't an option. (Or, maybe he meant dropping the restrictor _and_ keeping the same weight wasn't an option.)

If the rules change, I'll roll with the punches and figure out what to do. But I want them to get settled quickly so that my limited preparation time isn't compromised and so that I can commit to the season as early as possible.

Championships are won in the off-season, after all.

Seriously.

[Greg Amy]

Well, I don't know what car you have, But to the best of my knowledge - and as a tech inspector and rules nerd I tend to follow these things closely - the specs are as follows:

BMW 325i/is (87-91), 2750#, Notes: Trunk mounted fuel cell with no larger capacity than stock.

BMW 325i/is (2&4-door, 92-95), 2850#, Notes: TRunk mounted fuel cell with no larger capacity than stock. Throttle restrictor between throttle body and plenum is mandatory (snippage of restrictor details...)

Basically, exactly the same as the 2005 ITCS. - GA

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by MikeBlaszczak@Dec 9 2005, 04:55 PM
I'd like to know the minimum race weight for my car. If I'm still at 2850, then I'm ready to go racing.

If I'm getting a weight penalty, I'd like to know so that I can evaluate which class I'll run in and start to prepare the car appropriately. If I stay [focused] in ITS, I'll need to start fabricating a ballast box, get it mounted and filled; and then start working on performance improvements to try to overcome whatever weight was assigned to me.

I've been thinking about new wheels. If my race weight stays the same, I have the room to get lighter wheels. If my race weight changes heavier, I don't want to get lighter wheels. Not yet, anyway.

There have been posts on this form saying that the E36es will get more weight for the 2006 season. I'm surprised to not find it here. There's been repeated posts about the rules for ballast changing to accommodate the large amount of weight the E36es were rumored to be getting, but rule 9.L remains the same about aft of the firewall and fore of the seat.

Darin says that there's still a list of things that haven't been implemented for 2006 yet. You seem to be saying that the pipeline is clear, and that I can plan on racing my car as it is specified in the 2006 copy of the GCR we have.

Greg says a weight change is wrong. Jake says that retaining last year's weight wasn't an option. (Or, maybe he meant dropping the restrictor _and_ keeping the same weight wasn't an option.)

If the rules change, I'll roll with the punches and figure out what to do. But I want them to get settled quickly so that my limited preparation time isn't compromised and so that I can commit to the season as early as possible.

Championships are won in the off-season, after all.

Seriously.

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As of right now, if you have an E36 325i/is, you are at 2850 with the RP. The "NOTES" section of the 2006 GCR on the E30 and E36 cars were mixed up.

One issue I do have Mike, you have stated that you have more development to do. How will you make a decision based on the competitivness of your program when you haven't taken it to the max? The ballsat rules have changed prior to this year. The removal of the 100lb maximum was neccesary for changes that we had in mind. The E36 was one, but it primarily centered around some cars that could move DOWN a class but needed weight to do so.

For your world, we have received letters over the past 6 months that have:

- Asked us to keep the E36 as is
- Asked us to eliminate the RP on the E36
- Asked us to eliminate the RP on the E36 AND ADD ONE TO THE RX-7
- Asked us to elimiante the RP on the E36 and increase it's weight commensurate with the current "process" for classification
- Accused us of blatent favortism toward the RX-7 combined with accusations of smear campains and made up information
- Accused us of "anti-BMW" policies

The CRB has a decision to make with regard to your car. It's the only one with a RP because it's current weight has it too light for it's power potential. Status quo? SIR? Un-restricted but properly weighted? I don't know.

I understand your issue but what I would say to you is that no matter what they choose, the objective is not to kill the E36 but to surround it with the same parameters as the rest of the class. There are 3 "E36-type" cars in ITA right now that are outside the current parameters for the class...and we hope to affect them for the benefit of the class as a whole. Again, not to crush them into oblivion - but to put them through our process and try and start with a theme of equality.

AB