Originally posted by Andy Bettencourt@Nov 11 2005, 06:13 PM
Rob,
No forgiveness neccessary. While we should talk more at the track, I suspect you are on the up and up. And I have a feeling you feel the ITAC is too. We just need more info.
I guess for me, the fact you "know" the stcok EM can't be improved upon isn't good enough (No offense intended). Take my situation. In building the IT Miata, I have info from Sunbelt that the cars will make only about 7 more hp than in SM trim...WHAT??? The EM on the MIata is like a little header...so off-the-shelf stuff isn't much, if any, of an improvement. So I had to go to a Production builder who makes headers for GT and Prod cars for a custom unit that is the latest and greatest. Gonna cost me but it needs to be done.
I talked to that builder today and when I was describing all the things you can do in IT prep, he was dismissing them as 'only one or two hp here and there" - well guess what? When I run in ITA in NER, I am going to need that cumulative 10 hp to even SEE the MSN Integra's and BBRacing 240SX's. Here is what I would say:
Custom header
Shave head (gain .5 of compression)
Port manifolds
Valve job
Balance/Blueprint
Fuel pressure regulator (Have you done dyno development?)
Turner makes their own pully sets - have them make one for the 4cyl Z3...
I know this is exactly what you didn't want to hear but how are we all supposed to believe that none of this makes a difference until someone does it? Why wouldn't it? Someone just wrote in and asked us class teh Integra Type R in ITS. At 195hp stock it would seem it is outside the envelope but that is as close to an IT motor from the factory as I have seen...are you saying that this Z3 motor is as developed from BMW?
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Andy,
I always love a discussion with you because you tell it straight. I'm pretty confident that BMW developed that motor pretty extensively. Travis (Washay) did a head shave to bring it to factory CR when he owned the car. All I've done is exhaust (stock header), K&N filter, installed an electric fan, blueprinted and flowed the injectors, fixed an unmetered air leak, and new plugs and wires. I'm hoping to get a baseline dyno pull soon. I know there is more to development than bolting on parts. I guess some of the frustration lies in knowing that that is sorta all the Honda/Acura and Nissan guys may need to do though. They can follow a "recipe for success" so to speak. Even the e36 guys have this luxury. I'm concerned because of my current petition to the CRB about wheels. The book says 15", the door jam says 15" the part #'s say 15" but the burden of proof is on me to show BMW option packages so that I don't take the best of this with the best of that....etc. If I am having this much difficulty with something so simple and black and white as classing the car with the 15",16" as the e36 then where do I begin finding info for the CRB on the m44 motor???
Is Flatout interested in developing and marketing parts for the m44.....there's obviously a need and demand!!!
PS What's a fuel pressure regulator?!?!
Rob
Rob Breault
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