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[madrabbit15]

Bill,

Eric Parham (sp?) was the man name who provided the documentation the THE COMMITTEE. All '84 cars had two winshield wipers. Guess what, his car was an 1984 scirocco with dual windshield wipers and a 1.7 engine with the vin to prove it. The wide ratio gear box was was discontinued halfway through 1983 on sciroccos. That means that any 1.7 cars in 1984 had that close ratio gearbox. Eric sent the documentation on his car along with the documentation of the on the production of the gearbox to THE COMMITTEE. All of this info was on the original dealer micro fiche. Oh and one other thing, if no cars were built in 1984 then why is it listed in the bentley manual? You of all people should know that VW is probably the worst company when it comes to documenting all of the parts that came on different cars. This is why Eric's vin # was crossed with the transaxle microfiche for the decision. I hope this clears some of it up. I will refrain from furthur posts as this documentation has already been provided and it will just become an arguement between you and myself.

Derek

[Catch22]

C'mon Derek, just admit that your car doesn't exist so we can move on.

Scott, who says "Yellow Scirocco? What yellow Scirocco? I didn't see a yellow Scirocco."

:P

[racer14itc]

Originally posted by Catch22@Aug 26 2005, 02:44 PM
C'mon Derek, just admit that your car doesn't exist so we can move on.

Scott, who says "Yellow Scirocco? What yellow Scirocco? I didn't see a yellow Scirocco."

:P

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Scott,

I know you're just kidding, but you guys just keep harassing Derek about racing a car that is perfectly legit according to the current ITCS. I'm THIS close to convincing him to come run in GP where he won't be hassled like this!!!

MC

[Catch22]

Originally posted by racer14itc@Aug 26 2005, 03:09 PM
Scott,

I know you're just kidding, but you guys just keep harassing Derek about racing a car that is perfectly legit according to the current PCS. I'm THIS close to convincing him to come run in GP where he won't be hassled like this!!!

MC

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As long as we keep having races like we're having, he'd be crazy to go to GP. Hell, Chuck has 3 race cars( EP, ITA and ITC) and openly admits he has been having the most fun and best races in that old ITC car.

As far as legality... I don't care.
I know rules are rules, and I *think* everyone I'm racing with is following them including me. But if there is a little nitpicky documentation thing missing from something somewhere... I don't care. As long as nobody has a car that is seriously whipping everybody's asses and nobody stands a chance in hell to beat it unless it breaks... I don't care.
From what I've seen every frontrunning ITC car in the SEDIV is so close in lap times (the top 5 cars in last months Road Atlanta race turned fast laps all within 1 second of each other, same thing at last years ARRC) that the competition is more balanced than F1 could ever dream of.
And given that all of these guys are trying to win the ARRC, where it pays to be legal, I'm guessing everybody is legal (at least beyond picking nits )

[racer14itc]

Originally posted by Catch22@Aug 26 2005, 05:02 PM
As long as we keep having races like we're having, he'd be crazy to go to GP. Hell, Chuck has 3 race cars( EP, ITA and ITC) and openly admits he has been having the most fun and best races in that old ITC car.

As far as legality... I don't care.
I know rules are rules, and I *think* everyone I'm racing with is following them including me. But if there is a little nitpicky documentation thing missing from something somewhere... I don't care. As long as nobody has a car that is seriously whipping everybody's asses and nobody stands a chance in hell to beat it unless it breaks... I don't care.
From what I've seen every frontrunning ITC car in the SEDIV is so close in lap times (the top 5 cars in last months Road Atlanta race turned fast laps all within 1 second of each other, same thing at last years ARRC) that the competition is more balanced than F1 could ever dream of.
And given that all of these guys are trying to win the ARRC, where it pays to be legal, I'm guessing everybody is legal (at least beyond picking nits )

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Scott, you KNOW you'd love to bolt some slicks on the ol' sled, pop in a cam and see what you could do in GP!! Whatever you do, do NOT take Blake's car for a ride around Road Atlanta. It'll ruin you for the ITC car.

I do miss racing with Vesa, Will, Jinx, and the rest of the ITC gang sometimes. But adding 50 hp and taking 100+ lbs off the Scirocco really transforms the car. I can't imagine that Chuck would admit that the ITC Scirocco is as fun to drive as the EP BMW!!

MC

[Bill Miller]

Originally posted by madrabbit15@Aug 26 2005, 01:55 PM
Bill,

Eric Parham (sp?) was the man name who provided the documentation the THE COMMITTEE. All '84 cars had two winshield wipers. Guess what, his car was an 1984 scirocco with dual windshield wipers and a 1.7 engine with the vin to prove it. The wide ratio gear box was was discontinued halfway through 1983 on sciroccos. That means that any 1.7 cars in 1984 had that close ratio gearbox. Eric sent the documentation on his car along with the documentation of the on the production of the gearbox to THE COMMITTEE. All of this info was on the original dealer micro fiche. Oh and one other thing, if no cars were built in 1984 then why is it listed in the bentley manual? You of all people should know that VW is probably the worst company when it comes to documenting all of the parts that came on different cars. This is why Eric's vin # was crossed with the transaxle microfiche for the decision. I hope this clears some of it up. I will refrain from furthur posts as this documentation has already been provided and it will just become an arguement between you and myself.

Derek

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Derek,

I know Eric, and will talk w/ him. Until know, you hadn't mentioned who did it. And, if you read my earlier post, I said that I would gladly admit that I was wrong, if someone showed me a VIN tag that indicated an '84 Scirocco w/ a 1.7. If the documentation is out there, that's great, and the cars should be allowed to run that way. As I said, this is the first I've heard of an '84 w/ a 1.7. And since the documentation was sent in, and verified, it should be on file. I'm not going to comment on the accuracy of the microfiche in question, but you yourself said that you've been unable to find it.

I'm not sure what you're talking about w.r.t. the Bentley. I looked through mine, and didn't see anything about an '84 w/ a 1.7. I didn't say there were no Scirocco built in '84. But, since we're on the subject of the Bentley, anyone that's used one for any length of time, knows that there are plenty of errors in there as well.

As far as the wide ratio box being 'discontinued' in the Sciroccos mid '83, I assume you are referring to the Wolfsburg cars. That's a special edition car, and just because they used the close ratio box on them, doesn't mean that they stuck them in any '84 1.7 cars that were produced. The wide ratio box was certainly used in plenty of '84 Rabbits, so it was still around. Talk to Mark, I'm sure he can help you w/ your logic on this one.

The VW parts catalog (ETKA) does not list anything other than a 1.8 for an '84 Scirocco.

Not sure why you think this will turn into an arguement. This is what's usually referred to as debate. People w/ different position on an issue provide supporting evidence in defense of their position.