The '96 was the beginning of the 6th generation of the Civic. Most of the info that is useful is buried as much rice as the sheik got on his chessboard in that old math parable. My favorite quick reference page died months ago.
Kirk
Senior Member
The '96 was the beginning of the 6th generation of the Civic. Most of the info that is useful is buried as much rice as the sheik got on his chessboard in that old math parable. My favorite quick reference page died months ago.
Kirk
Junior Member
Just sent my request. I plan on club racing in about 2 years and currently have a '99 EX Civic that I would love to use. I know buying is always cheaper than building, but what the hell. If we get it reclassed to ITA then I'll build it. But I'm not spending the money for ITS.
I agree with Kirk, the websites for the 6th gen Civic suck unless you want a huge wing, NOS, and 20" wheels.
[This message has been edited by macrod01 (edited November 29, 2003).]
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What a difference a year makes. for the 2003 season Lyonel won H4 class in 8 of the 12 HC races he ran, winning every time he didn't have mechanical problems. HC allows the '92-'95 EX to run in ITS trim at 2305lb and ups the CRX weight to 2175lb.Originally posted by danielbeeson:
I have to say that I am a firm believer that the Civic EX should be in ITA not ITS...My proof is... Lyonel Kent in Honda Challenge ran a Civic EX in H4, what were his co-racers... ITA CRX's, He won 1 (one) Saturday race the whole season... The rest of the 10 races or so were won by the ITA CRX's... Nuff Said!
Dan Beeson
Senior Member
FYI: The Civic weight started 2003 at 2400lbs. It was lowered mid-season to 2305lbs (same as the ITS weight...).Originally posted by Geezer:
...HC allows the '92-'95 EX to run in ITS trim at 2305lb and ups the CRX weight to 2175lb.
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Matt Downing
www.downingracing.com
Senior Member
To clarify - since this strand came back from the dead - the '96-98 EX has been listed in ITA, per the August FasTrack...
http://www.scca.org/news/tech/fastrack/03-...08-fastrack.pdf
...at 2450 pounds. I don't think the '99 will be age-eligible for 2004 (I always dork up that math) so it won't be classified yet. When it does become eligible, make the request based on the fact that the car is essentially identical to those already listed.
FWIW, I would be building one now if they didn't hold their value as street cars so darned well!
Kirk
Senior Member
Just don't tell them it's like the 94...Originally posted by Knestis:
...at 2450 pounds. I don't think the '99 will be age-eligible for 2004 (I always dork up that math) so it won't be classified yet. When it does become eligible, make the request based on the fact that the car is essentially identical to those already listed....Kirk
Matt (still waiting to be moved to ITA!)
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Matt Downing
www.downingracing.com
Senior Member
When you requested the move, did you stipulate a weight change or ask that it be moved at exactly the same specs? The Golf III could be moved to B because it didn't require a weight change, for which there is no provision in the rules.
If you tried to do the right thing and add weight, you gave them a stick to hit you with...
K
Senior Member
Kirk,
If you're asking me...
My first request asked for weight to be added. Like you said - the right thing to do. They came back with the 'stick' and said that would be a comp adjustment, and they don't do comp adjustments.
My second request just asked that the classification be corrected to ITA citing the recent addition of the 96-98 EX in ITA. If/when that is denied due to potential @ current weight, i'm going to request that it be added to the existing spec line for ITA and expand the EX years to 93-98.
My last request was tabled for research... Hopefully they have all the information they need and the car will be moved soon. I've already purchased ITA stickers!
FYI: The 2305 weight is almost impossible to get to. I'm sure with some creative rules reading (read: cheating), it's possible. I'm at almost 2400 right now and could easily get to 2450.
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Matt Downing
www.downingracing.com
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NO WAY!! I oppose that move!!! I need Matt in IT2, I don't want to be alone!!!!
I'm gonna write the Comp Board on this....
Senior Member
...or maybe we should all just skip right to MT2.
K
Member
OT, but does anyone know if the 94 Integra LS has been moved to ITA yet? Any info/sites on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
Senior Member
Never seen any success on this request - and it HAS been asked for several times. Check the FasTrack bulletins available at www.scca.org if you want to see the history of specific requests.
Kirk
Senior Member
Hi, all! Been away for awhile...
I love this thread!
I am writing to mention the proposal in the newest Fasttrack to move the ITS Civic EX to ITA at 2305lbs... THANK YOU MATT! What do you think is the probability of success?
Even if it is a success, I think the car will not be a match for the CRX's. Much has been made of power to weight ratios, but not braking-to-weight ratios. If the 3 cars (CRX, Civic EX, and Integra GSR) all have similar power to weight and the same size brakes, I'll pick the lighter car every time for a better brakeing to weight ratio.
-T
Senior Member
First, if they move the 92-95 EX they would also need to move the 92-95 SI. Secondly, I would agree that the CRX would still be the prime candidate for competiveness but that hatchback SI has a soft spot in my heart. To the point that I'm already considering the idea of selling the CRX for a SI. ...but the SI would need to be reclass before I do.
On a side note, I'm getting excited about the posiblility of a new bread of cars appearing in ITA. ITA might just be the class to be in
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Richy Gonzalez
GB Racing - #24 ITA CRX
LAMIN-X Protective Films
[This message has been edited by Richy Gonzalez (edited January 14, 2004).]
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Ditto on moving the Si hatchback to ITA. Iam a CRX racer but know that within a couple of years I will need to build something new. The Advantage of the Si vs the EX for a CRX racer is that we can re-use our 14" wheels. Also, a hatchback is more practical carrying stuff when towing an open trailer with a small van.
[This message has been edited by Bob Roth (edited January 14, 2004).]
Senior Member
Make note that the Comp Board won't move the Si just because it makes sense to do so: When the MkIII Golf 2.0 got dropped to ITB, they didn't send the Jetta with it - simply because nobody asked.
Someone needs to specifically ask for the Si to be moved to A and include all of the years that you want listed. Heck, put ALL of the same generation EXs in the request since I don't think they are in the ITCS.
Base the request on the fact that the '96+ EX is already there and the earlier cars are headed that direction and it should go right through. Make SURE that you don't ask for a weight adjustment - either way - however! There is still no provision for this in the rules and your request will be denied simply because they can't adjust weights and won't consider only part of a request.
K
Senior Member
No problem! It was nothing... Nothing that anyone else with +/- 2 years of letter writing and calling couldn't have accomplished!Originally posted by il8apex:
...I am writing to mention the proposal in the newest Fasttrack to move the ITS Civic EX to ITA at 2305lbs... THANK YOU MATT! What do you think is the probability of success?
Even if it is a success, I think the car will not be a match for the CRX's. Much has been made of power to weight ratios, but not braking-to-weight ratios. If the 3 cars (CRX, Civic EX, and Integra GSR) all have similar power to weight and the same size brakes, I'll pick the lighter car every time for a better brakeing to weight ratio.
-TI think the car has a heck of a better shot at running towards the front in ITA than it did in ITS! (The only way to run at the front in ITS was to wait till the leaders come around to lap you...)
And as far as braking ability of the cars, don't forget the "crazy mojo - Driver" factor. (I like to brake late!) And brakes only slow your lap times down. And the EX is a much bigger vehicle than the CRX - intimidation factor. And - you are correct, the CRX will probably still be the dominate car, but at least I won't be last anymore!
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Matt Downing
www.downingracing.com
Senior Member
Read GCR 17.1.11 - Change of SpecificationsOriginally posted by Knestis:
Make SURE that you don't ask for a weight adjustment - either way - however! There is still no provision for this in the rules
Some claim this doesn't give the allowance, but some believe it does. Clarification to follow...
I disagree......and your request will be denied simply because they can't adjust weights and won't consider only part of a request.
K
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Darin E. Jordan
SCCA #273080, OR/NW Regions
Auburn, WA
ITS '97 240SX
Senior Member
My request was denied because I asked to have the weight increased. Changing the weight would be a comp. adjustment and we don't do comp. adjustments. They wouldn't modify my request - just denied it. My last request was to correct the classification and leave the weight (correct as classified) at 2305...
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Matt Downing
www.downingracing.com
Senior Member
When was the first request sent in/ruled on???Originally posted by downingracing:
My request was denied because I asked to have the weight increased.
Thanks,
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Darin E. Jordan
SCCA #273080, OR/NW Regions
Auburn, WA
ITS '97 240SX
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