Golf III ITB

[Dave Zaslow]

From October Fastrack:

CLUB RACING
Item 2. Reclassify the 1993 Volkswagen
Golf III from ITA to ITB, effective 1/1/04.
PASSED

Now how do we get this to cover all Golf III's from 93 to 98? I asked for this some months ago, with no response. Guess I'll have to bug a certain comp board members.

And in other news.....Mr. Suloff, what were you thinking ;-)

IMPROVED TOURING
1. 13 Membership input letters against
the concept of competition adjustments
in Improved Touring. (Various) Thank
you for your input, please see the
Advisory Committee's proposal in the
September issue of FasTrack..
2. Input supporting reclassification of
the Volkswagen Golf. (Knestis) Thank you
for your input.
3. Input opposing reclassification of the
Volkswagen Golf. (Sulouff) Thank you for
your input.
4. 6 Membership input letters for the
concept of competition adjustments in
Improved Touring. (Various) Thank you
for your input, please see the Advisory
Committee's proposal in the September
issue of FasTrack.

[Knestis]

You don't have to bug anyone. Just fill out and submit the forms to have all of the eligible years/models listed, referencing the fact that they are the same as the one already in the ITCS. Jeremy Thoennes at the club racing office would love to help you out or I can send anyone who wants them the copies that I have. You'll have to delete the Honda specs however...

K

[OTLimit]

Originally posted by Dave Zaslow:
And in other news.....Mr. Suloff, what were you thinking ;-)

3. Input opposing reclassification of the
Volkswagen Golf. (Sulouff) Thank you for
your input.

This letter was misnotated, and the ITAC realized that pretty quickly. Evidently the misnotation got carried over to Fastrack.

Suggestion: Use a re: on your letters to give a concise statement about the content of your letter so that this doesn't happen to YOU.



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Lesley Albin
Over The Limit Racing
Blazen Golden Retrievers

[jcmgt2]

Time to start shopping! Yeah

[itbgti]

What is the required weight of the car now that it is in ITB?

[Eric Parham]

Well, now I know what I'll be building this winter I'm going to gamble and try to start with a '94 2-dr. As far as classing other years, note that the SS rules still allow '95-up to run SS. Therefore, I would expect success adding the '94 to the '93 in ITB, but not necessarily the '95-up (since they still have a place to race in SS). Just getting the '94 would be helpful, though, as that was the first year for the 2-door, I believe. Don't quite have time to write the letter right now, though...

[Knestis]

The new 10-year rule in SS is not described as affecting IT eligibility - the age rule in the ITCS hasn't changed. This proved out in practice this spring when I got the '96 and newer Civic EX listed in ITA.

K

[Eric Parham]

BTW, I have a partially built Golf 2 with a very nice custom IT cage (welded-in, of course). Does anyone know whether it will fit well into a Golf 3? Wouldn't want to cut up the Golf 2 if it won't fit... TIA

[Bildon]

Well no wonder we have such trouble getting our cars classed!

>> posted by Dave Zaslow:
...Mr. Suloff, what were you thinking? ;-)
-------------------------------------------->> This letter was misnotated, and the ITAC realized that pretty quickly

They can't even read

PS - Golf 4 is next.



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Bill Sulouff - Bildon Motorsport
Volkswagen Racing Equipment
## 2002 ITB NYSRRC Champs ##

[Bildon]

It's true that the 93 MY was a 4 dr only car. Let's keep pushing for the '94+ Golf and Golf Sport 2 dr cars.

This August Fastrack issue should be on their plate now that '93 is classed.

>>IMPROVED TOURING
1. Classify the 1994-97 Volkswagen Golf
with the 1993 model year already classified.
(Monaghan) Tabled for review of the
Board of Directors decision on reclassifying
the 1993 Volkswagen Golf.

(Jerry, are you bringing my steering rack to the Glen?)

>> What is the required weight of the car now that it is in ITB?

I expect that it will be (should be) re-classed at it's "dead last in ITA" weight.
2350# w/ driver. This puts it's P/W ratio very close to the other VWs in B.



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Bill Sulouff - Bildon Motorsport
Volkswagen Racing Equipment
## 2002 ITB NYSRRC Champs ##

[HOOSER 99]

I just picked up a 94 fordoor and I'll compare it with the two door on the scales in a couple of weeks. Might it have a little more rear %?

jerry monaghan

[Knestis]

Mr. Monaghan would be wise to follow up with the ITAC and his area director, to be sure that they take his proposal under consideration. The term "tabled" has been operationally defined as meaning many things over the last several years...

K

[HOOSER 99]

After reading the SM posts I am really hesitant to bring up anything concerning a table(as the black helicopters hover overhead)

jerry monaghan

[Bill Miller]

I expect that it will be (should be) re-classed at it's "dead last in ITA" weight.
2350# w/ driver. This puts it's P/W ratio very close to the other VWs in B.

How is 90hp@2180# 'very close' [sic] to 115hp@2370#?

And as far as "dead last in ITA" goes, just how many of these cars have been built and raced in ITA? Are there even 10 of these cars in the whole country? 5? While I agree that it's probably not one of 'the' cars in ITA, has anyone really put a serious development effort out for one of these cars?

What's next, 2.0 16v from ITS to ITA?

I'm still amazed that this went through given the fact that similar requests were shot down pending the results of the comp. adj. discussion. Just one more case of a lack of internal consistency.

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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608

[Dave Zaslow]

Jerry,

I suggest we work together in filling out the forms and collectively work to get whatever information is needed on those forms? So far we have Yourself, Eric P, Bill S, and myself interested in keeping busy building over the winter. I'm sure there will shortly be more. I have a 95 Sport, no sunroof, that I've been telling the present owner to take exceptional care of... My resources are the latest version of both ETKA and the Bentley manual. I may also be able to get to the Edgar(sp) database.

[OTLimit]

Chris would start a 93 tomorrow if we had one.

Anyone interested in some A2s, a couple of Audi Coupes, and some Rabbits that I have parked in the driveway?

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Lesley Albin
Over The Limit Racing
Blazen Golden Retrievers

[RSTPerformance]

OTLimit...

Built the Audi!!!

VW are all farfromaudi

[itbgti]

Jerry,

Can't wait to run against you next year, in whatever cars we have

The four door golfs are a dime a dozen, teh two doors are harder to find (from my most recent research)

A problem with the four door (pointed out to me by someone else) is that the main hoop will sit in an "odd" place compared to the driver...the four doors are six inches shorter, and the hoop will be directly over your head, unless you do not put it at the B-pillar...I have not confirmed this yet, anyone with some input???

Regards,
Alan

[Knestis]

Why assume that the main rollcage hoop has to be at the OEM B-pillar location (fore and aft)? Plenty of rally cars and touring cars over the years have ignored this assumption and they have it tougher, since they tie into the pillars. To my knowledge there is no requirement in the SS cage rules that specifies anything in this area...

K

[itbgti]

Kirk,

Agreed, but rally cars and touring cars do tie into the B-pillars with additional supports, which are allowed in their rules. With our rules (as you know) we are not allowed to "connect" to the B-pillar...one way around this is to make a REALLY tight fit with the cage up along the B-pillar. You would lose this ability with a four door car.

Trust me, if someone can convince me a four door is better, please do. Those are cheap and VERY easy to come by...these two doors are a pain in the butt to find (cheap and/or close)

Alan