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    Default Renegade Trailer Failure

    On March 21, 2004, the Wheels America Renegade trailer (8 months old) broke where the tongue frame meets the box, and crashed into a ditch and flipped onto its side. Both #99 & #98 cars were inside, along with our Austin Mini, Harley V-rod, and all spares, etc. Trailer in its current load is well under capacity, tongue weight is under max, and this is clearly a problem that should not have occurred. Thankfully, it didn’t cross the road and kill someone in oncoming traffic....

    Since that time, we have been in contact with Renegade, as well as our insurance company, and the insurance company for Renegade.

    Our insurance company was prompt and courteous and took care of us on our covered losses. (Thanks to Mel at Gulfway Insurance). However, there are uncovered losses. Shortly after the incident, Renegade sent their engineer to our facility to review the damage. In addition, our insurance company sent an engineer. Engineers have also been here from Renegade’s insurance company as well. In addition to those three engineers, representatives from other trailer manufacturers have seen the trailer as well.

    Renegade offered to build us another unit right away. I tried all the other manufacturers, but the lead time was 16-24 weeks, and we could not wait, so I went with the Renegade again, despite my reservations. Renegade also assured me at the time that “we would get this all worked out” before the new trailer was ready.

    All of the engineers that have been here have agreed that there was massive failure in the front tongue portion of the trailer, and that faulty welds were the likely culprit. Our engineer took the tongue of the trailer to do some testing on it so that we would have an expert report. My insurance company has already commenced an investigation so that they may sue Renegade for the damages they have to pay. Since that time, Renegade’s insurance company has requested that NO testing be done to the tongue, since such testing may result in destruction of the evidence. All of the engineers who have seen the trailer (5 so far, plus one president of a trailer manufacturer) have all agreed it was a serious product defect. Not one has said that this could have been even partly caused by us. Despite this evidence, Renegade refuses to take responsibility.

    Since that time, Renegade has informed other customers with tag trailers that they are developing a “patch kit” so as to prevent this type of failure on someone else’s trailer. This patch kit apparently will gusset the areas where our trailer failed. IN spite of this, Renegade still refuses to accept liability and responsibility for this failure.

    Sadly, Renegade has denied responsibility for this incident, and has said “At this time, we do not feel as though we are liable and we will not be held liable for the damage to your trailer”. When pressed about how this occurred, and who is responsible, all they can say is that they are not responsible.

    Here are the facts:

    The trailer had two BMW race cars that weighed 5000lbs combined, an Austin Mini that weighed about 1500lbs, a Harley Vrod at 600 lbs, and a spare motor, trans, and diff that are no more than 1000lbs. Add 500lbs for spares and another 1000lbs for tools and quad, and we are still at a total load in the trailer of under 9500lbs. For a three car stacker, this weight does not seem unreasonable.

    The trailer had 3 8000lb axles, yet had we decided to go with 3 10000 lb axles, the frame would have remained the same (according to Bob Ball at Renegade). Since it was the frame that failed, we must assume then that the frame is rated for at least 30000 lbs.

    The road prior to the incident was straight and smooth. No bumps, no collisions, no other issues at all. Just a tongue that fell off the trailer while driving.

    Renegade’s insurance company says Renegade is not liable because of two issues, first, they contend the trailer was overloaded. If this is true, then any Renegade designed to haul three cars can’t do it. Don’t event think about hauling three street cars based on this assessment. Number two, they say the frame manufacturer is liable. To the end user, I don’t care what “part” failed. I only care that Renegade sold me a defective product that has now cost me thousands. It is Renegade’s final product, regardless of the source of the parts. After all, using this logic, the frame manufacturer could claim defective steel, and soon we would be suing the owner of the mine where the iron came from that made the steel..

    Currently, I am out in excess of $40,000 for actual losses, including the Mini, and various damage to the cars and cargo. My insurance company has already paid out nearly $110,000, making total losses here in excess of $150,000. I am out $40,000 OUT OF POCKET. In addition, I am out loss of use. To date, Renegade refuses to accept any liability whatsoever.

    Renegade could simply call their insurance carrier and tell them that this product was in fact defective. The fact that Renegade is issuing a patch kit indicates this is true. Yet at this time, Renegade says they are not liable. In the event you are in the market for a trailer, or know anyone who is, beware. Renegade has demonstrated from this incident that they will do the following:

    1. Build a seriously defective product, putting at risk people’s lives. There are currently other Renegade tag trailers on the road that are just like this one, and another failure could kill someone. This is both unacceptable and irresponsible.
    2. Will refuse to take responsibility, even when the evidence against them is overwhelming.
    3. Will refuse to take care of a customer on a unit that is STILL under factory warranty. (How is it that the trailer is warrantied, yet the broken tongue is “not the responsibility of Renegade”?)
    4. Has no regard to financial losses to the end user that resulted from their negligence.

    During this entire ordeal, I have asked Renegade repeatedly what they intend to do about my losses. Over and over again, they say “nothing, we are not responsible”.

    All I want is for Renegade to take responsibility for their actions, but since they refuse to do so, then I feel as though it is my responsibility to make sure all racers and others know what kind of company Renegade is.

    Throughout this entire ordeal, Chuck McKibbin, president of Renegade, will not take or return my calls. That tells you a little about how they treat their customers…

    Be cautious if you have a Renegade, or are considering buying one..And if you have a tag Renegade, by all means, check out that tongue. If it breaks off, like mine did, Renegade IS NOT going to take care of you, and if someone is injured, YOU’LL be the person being sued.. I was simply very lucky there were no injuries….
    Bob

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    Sounds like you need to talk to your local District Attorney and get some additional HP behind your request, or lawsuit.

    That much loss is WAY over what a "small claims" court handles.

    They (Renegade) must be Republicans, just like the current mis-administration. Refusing to take responsible for ANYTHING.

    Sorry, just had to throw that one in.



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    Sorry to hear about your situation.

    Have you considered involving NHTSA? Would seem to be their area of responsibility, in part... www.nhtsa.gov

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    Sorry to hear about that. Glad everybody is ok! mike g.

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    This type of stuff really irritates the hell out of me...companies that do not stand behind their product.

    Bob, keep at them...take them to court...do what you must. VW of America (MUCH smaller example) would not stand behind my wife's car coil packs when they went bad....even though they were FAULTY from factory..sure enough, lots of people kept at them, someone filed a lawsuit, and WHAMMO, recall on all 2000-2002 1.8Ts to get new coil packs. Obviously, not even close to the trailer incident (THANK GOD no one got hit by that thing), just very frustrating.

    And to think, even after you ask for ANOTHER trailer from them, they still won't budge.

    Best of luck.

    Alan

    EDIT: not to steal the thread, but this is a good opportunity to tell others to check their trailer thouroughly at all the weld points...this comment is directed mainly at those with "inexpensive" open trailers (that is what I use)...you will find that the welds are minimal at best. Many spots where a bead should be, there is only a "spot" weld. My friend who has the EXACT same trailer as I do (purchased at the same time) loaded a 5000 skid steer (2 3500 pound axle trailer) and welds broke...he had to go back and do some repairs.

    [This message has been edited by itbgti (edited May 17, 2004).]

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    Bob was kind enough to send us pictures of the trailer after the incident, and I believe that they were extremely lucky that no one got hurt (other than Bob's wallet, so far).

    We had the tongue break on our open, tri-axle trailer on the way home from Topeka one night, right in the middle of Kansas City in a rather interesting neighborhood. Luckily, we were able to make minimal repairs since we had the welder with us (Chris didn't remember why he brought it, but was glad that he did), and limp it home.

    I think that once a month we should all remind each other that getting to the track and home can be the most dangerous part of this hobby, and DO (not just think about) the things that we know can help make it safer.

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    Amen lesley...how did the gp car do?

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    Bob, we may have had a similar failure a few times... please write me at [email protected] to compare notes.

    Scott

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    Wow...

    Trailering nighmares will again fill my head...just when i had gotten over them...

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    Mike,
    First win for the year. Finally. Gremlins stayed away on Sunday for us, plagued everyone else for a switch.


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    Originally posted by racer_tim:
    They (Renegade) must be Republicans, just like the current mis-administration. Refusing to take responsible for ANYTHING.

    Sorry, just had to throw that one in.
    Sorry, indeed. Leave it alone next time and stick to racing.

    A Liberal from San Francisco.....shouldn't be a surprise.


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    Oh c'mon Chris.
    My uncle landed at Normandy and my dad flew in B26 bombers over Germany so liberals from San Fransisco could say whatever they want.

    Not tryin' to pick a fight, just a point.

    And they fought without remote resevoir shocks too!

    How's the RX7 coming along? I'm still trying to save for a trailer and some misc stuff.

    Tom

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    IS it just me or isnt the patch kit an admission of guilt ? Sounds like a very strong lawsuit.. I would have your insurance company sue, if they are not already doing so..

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    Originally posted by Tom Donnelly:
    Oh c'mon Chris.
    My uncle landed at Normandy and my dad flew in B26 bombers over Germany so liberals from San Fransisco could say whatever they want.

    Not tryin' to pick a fight, just a point.

    And they fought without remote resevoir shocks too!

    How's the RX7 coming along? I'm still trying to save for a trailer and some misc stuff.

    Tom
    Well, in the interest of being "fair and balanced"....

    My RX7 sits as the helpless victim of a schedule that includes the demands of a family, and an increasing work schedule in this "burgeoning economy"! Everytime the Dems try to talk down the economy I have to laugh! (Backattcha!)

    (My dad was in the Navy, post Korean/pre-Vietnam wars; Gramps was an aircraft mechanic in WWII.)

    P.S. You SF guys need a new mayor!!!


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    Fixrim,

    Sorry to hear about your trouble, I can see I won't be purchasing a Renegade any time soon. You should talk to a lawyer, and mention this post, it may (or may not, I'm not a lawyer) get you in trouble.

    Not that you probably care at this point, I'd be steaming mad if I were in your shoes. Scary thing to have happen, and for everyone's sake, you should push to have them take responsibility.

    Was wondering where you fell off the face of the earth Chris

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    [This message has been edited by Silkworm (edited May 18, 2004).]

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    Sorry to hear about your failure. I'd certainly be obtaining counsel.

    Common sense might suggest that Renegade supplying a "patch kit" means they know there is a design/quality control problem. However, I would guess thier entire reason for doing so has to do with liability by being aware there might have been a problem and doing nothing about it.

    Pointing the fingers that it is someone elses' fault isn't your problem. You should go after them, if they feel that it was a steel supplier or frame manufacturer problem then they can go after them. Maybe that is why when people sue they sue everybody involved and 100 John Doe or whatever the verbage is. Kind of sucks that is the way it is.

    Perhaps the CEO/Pres or whoever at Renegade would like to help you but is being advised not to talk to you by their team of lawyers.

    edit-can't spell worth a sheott--probably still numerous errors.

    [This message has been edited by Quickshoe (edited May 18, 2004).]

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    I repeat, you need to get NHTSA involved! Nothing, and I can say this with authority as an automotive engineer, will get them quaking in their boots quite like having a chat with NHTSA... unless it's a lawsuit involving those two favorite brand names Ford and Firestone!

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    Bob
    What is the load range and weight capacity of the tires on your trailer (marked on the sidewall of the tires) ?
    I ask this merely for information.
    Thanks
    dave parker
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    "IS it just me or isnt the patch kit an admission of guilt ? Sounds like a very strong lawsuit.. I would have your insurance company sue, if they are not already doing so.."

    The patch kit is what in legal terms is called a "subsequent remedial measure." Evidence of an SRM is NOT admissible in court to prove that the product had a design flaw. And that is a good rule because society WANTS manufacturers to correct defective designs so the same thing doesn't happen again. If by doing so they would be admitting guilt, they would never do it. Nevertheless, I think Bob will get his due compensation - and probably w/o ever filing.

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    Chris Wire, so I now suppose that you hate everybody in Massachusetts since they legalized gay marriages?

    Why do equal rights scare you?

    Welcome to the real world.

    Bob, good luck with the lawsuit. I didn't mean, or want to hijack this thread.

    Come on back to California, and enjoy the tracks on the left coast.



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