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    Default Toyota Corolla ITA or ITB?

    Hello, I heard from a friend that the 86-89 Corolla was just recently reclassed from ITA to ITB. Can someone confirm this if possible?

    Thanks alot,
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    It's just the front-drive '87 FX16. The 86-89 Corolla GTS is still stuck in ITA purgatory.

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    I have all the classings on my site, and I have filters so you can see classings for all Toyotas for instance.

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    Thanks for the quick reply Jake, I thought it was to good to be true.

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    FWIW - I think the FX16 would make a very solid B car. It's relatively heavy, but if you hang the right parts on it, it should be quick. Same engine as the ITA GTS and MR-2 (in fact same drivetrain as the MR2 - just stuck in the "wrong" end of the car). The only downside might be that the brakes are a tad small.

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    Do you guys know anyone who runs a FX16?

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    That WOULD be a cool B car. I didn't know that it had been moved when I saw one a week or so ago, abandoned on I40 between Greensboro and Durham, NC...

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    How about a proposal/petition to move all 4AGE Toyota to ITB @ 2450lbs? Who's with me?

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    Gimme some stock HP to work with...and a drivetrain layout...and a suspension design (ie: MCPH struts etc..)

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    All had ~112HP, stock. 1587cc DOHC, 16-valve, Bosch L-jetronic.

    All except the AE86 Corolla (front engine, rear drive) were all-strut. AE86 had a coil spring rear w/IRS.

    All the other Corolla's were FWD. The MR2 is mid engine, RWD.

    The NUMMI-made first cousin, the '90 Geo Prizm GSi, is already in B. It is the same chassis as the '88 and later Corolla GTS - except it is a 4-door. It also has the later small-port head, which had ~130HP from the factory.

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    A resonable request I would estimate...



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    Originally posted by Andy Bettencourt:
    A resonable request I would estimate...



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    I'm not trying to start anything Andy, really. But, when has the 'reasonableness' of a request had anything to do w/ anything? I'll have to go back through back FasTracks, but I thought the request to move the AW11 MR2 and the AE86 Corolla were already shot down? People have been trying to get the AW11 MR2 moved since the mid/late 90's.


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    <font face=\"Verdana, Arial\" size=\"2\">The NUMMI-made first cousin, the '90 Geo Prizm GSi, is already in B. It is the same chassis as the '88 and later Corolla GTS - except it is a 4-door. It also has the later small-port head, which had ~130HP from the factory.</font>
    Yes, and there used to be 2 of them in CenDiv, both of which were well prepped and FAST. Off the top of my head if you give that thing larger ports it might be a little much. Getting the weight right the first time would be the trick.

    Dick Cole from Detroit had a really nice looking red one, don't know where it is now.

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    Bill,

    I guess I didn't realize we were talking about the MR2. I was talking about the Corolla with the aforementioned specs.

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    Andy,

    Jake had mentioned moving all the 4AGE Toyotas to ITB, and Norm gave specs on both the Corolla and MR2. I guess that's why I thought we were talking about both cars. Like I said, I'm really not trying to start anything. I'd love to see a more objective process that would eliminate the need to even ask questions as to why one configuration is in one class, and another is in a different class.

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    Bill's right. But I've seen many previously shot down requests go through recently. Heck, Greg's Nissan was shot down several times before it moved to ITA. There was a serious push to move the MR2/AE86, but that was well before PCA.

    Norm - If I'm not mistaken, Peter has a built-to-the-letter-of-the-IT-law 4AGE with Dyno results. This may prove valuable background info.

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    No issues...a question is a question.

    The FWD cars seem to me to be ITB material. The MR2 met with a split ITAC vote and was not recomended. The combination of RWD and mid-engine (GREAT under breaking) make it a tweener for B.

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    Well, if mid-engined cars are that wonderful, how come there isn't a single competitive mid-engined IT car in the country and the CB just moved the 914's down a class? Plus, the 4AGE's resistance to power gains more than compensates for the brakes. In either case, the Corolla GTS is front engined, and should be considered for ITB. For the sake of argument, just look at the cars that were recently moved from ITA to ITB:

    Volkswagon Golf III (93-97)....2350lbs 115hp 2.0L
    Nissan Sentra Non-SER (91-94)..2250lbs 110hp 1.8L
    Honda Accord Lxi (86-88).......2550lbs 120hp 2.0L
    Toyota FX16(87)................2445lbs 112hp 1.6L
    Honda Prelude Si(87)...........2450lbs 110hp 2.0L
    Honda Civic Si (86-87).........2040lbs 91hp 1.6L
    Porsche 924 (77-82)............2600lbs 115hp 2.0L
    Porsche 914-4 (73-76)..........2230lbs 95hp 2.0L

    And compare that to the ITA 4AGE's:
    Toyota MR2 (85-87).............2370lbs 112hp 1.6L
    Toyota Corolla GTS (86-89).....2410lbs 112hp 1.6L

    This looks like a no-brainer to me.

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    Never said they were all that wonderful...just said there is a split on the ITAC as to the viablility for B. I would say it is a tweener for sure...

    Would you be happy with 2550+ lbs in ITB?

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    IMHO, it would do better in ITB at 2550 than ITA at 2370 - but that would be a lot of weight to carry. You mentioned the split ITAC decision - for those who favored the move - what kind of weight did they propose?

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