The 100 unleaded Sunoco at VIR tested illegal at the National last spring. THAT created a scramble, I can tell you.
K
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The 100 unleaded Sunoco at VIR tested illegal at the National last spring. THAT created a scramble, I can tell you.
K
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I'm not sure about moving the 1.8L VW's to ITC.. then where will the ITC's go to be competitive? maybe it would be easier to tweak the car weights instead of all these class moves.
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Well, from everything I've seen, even if you use the same fuel from the same pump at the same track and they got it from the same supplier, it may not pass after a few days, let alone a week or so. If they're going to be using the track fuel on a particular weekend as a baseline, and the acceptance window is going to be tight, then you're going to have to pump down and refill anyway. From what I saw, that's what SCCA is recommending that everyone does anyway...Originally posted by nlevine:
I agree. It's got the potential to be a major PITA for those of us who use our race cars at HPDE events. In some cases, the track fuel pumps aren't open on HPDE days, so if specific fuel is mandated I either need to carry my own, or flush my fuel system between HPDE days and races. I don't like either alternative. I also think my homeowner's insuarnce would have a problem with me storing quantities of fuel in my garage (which is under the house - I have a problem with fuel stoarage there even if my insurance doesn't).
Man, this is going to be interesting...
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Matt Green
"Ain't nothin' improved about Improved Touring..."
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The fix for the fuel problem is not another rule. It is the enforcement of the existing rule. I bet people wouldn't use this crap if not racing for a full season was the penalty for getting caught. This rule will end up being another Cluster F that will be changed again before long.
[This message has been edited by Joe Harlan (edited February 28, 2005).]
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Interesting thought...Originally posted by Campbell:
I'm not sure about moving the 1.8L VW's to ITC.. ... maybe it would be easier to tweak the car weights instead of all these class moves.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, reaching for what?Originally posted by Andy Bettencourt:
Alan,
Your reaching...
Just stop being obtuse for a second and answer the question, who on the AdHoc has this fast and winning ITB Rabbit GTI?
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The new fuel rule was supposed to go into effect 1/1/05 so what have they been doing at the events already held? Since the new rule eliminated the existing standards, and they have not published the new list, has fuel essentially been legally wide open?
I think this could turn out to be a major area of dissension (and possibly litigation) in the SCCA ranks. What I fear is that Topeka is negotiating w/ one or a handful of oil companies to be "official" pump gas suppliers to the SCCA or to certain classes. In other words SCCA will take a payoff for a monopoly on fuel. If we are forced to buy fuel at the tracks at outrageous prices I for one will be re-evaluating my commitment to the SCCA.
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Bill Denton
87/89 ITS RX-7
02 Audi TT225QC
95 Tahoe
Memphis
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Can you imagine what the fuel pump lines will be like at the track? Originally I was thinking this very sarcastically, but on a single day event… 300 racers, many people who typically bring their own street pump gas now having to buy it at the track.
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Dave Gran
NER ITB #13
'87 Honda Prelude si
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THe really fast ITB VW driver he is refering to is Chris Albin. In the limited races I have raced with him he is very very fast, and a good driver. I can list a ton of fast VW drivers. Not sure which engines they have since I really never pay to much attention to it. Derak Lugar, Collin HArmer, and all the other vantage guys. I could list more and more that jsut race in NE but I don't wnat to leave anyone out. The VW that chris and derek run are definetly ITB cars and really need little if any adjustments to be compeditive in ITB. They are fast if driven well, Derek and chris have proved that time and time again at the ARRC. The cars liek Ford Escorts, dodge chargers, ect are the ones that we need to help!
As far as the fuel goes.... I will always run pump gas from a gas station. I don't know anything about additives so I will never bother with them. I will however use cheap gas. I haved used fuel at the track but only in emergencies and then it was the lowest octane AKA the cheapest available. I normally use 91 sunoco and fill up my old dirty fuel cans that my dad used when he was racing in IT. Keep IT cheap and always allow pump gas! Let people use additives if they want in the end it costs the same amount for everyone!
Stephen
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Hey Joe, we don't always see eye to eye, but I'm right there with you on this one. I went through all this garbage back 18 years ago when I was racing karts. What a PITA. And to require everyone to use the track fuel is just crazy beyond belief. What happens when the track runs out?Originally posted by Joe Harlan:
The fix for the fuel problem is not another rule. It is the enforcement of the existing rule. I bet people wouldn't use this crap if not racing for a full season was the penalty for getting caught. This rule will end up being another Cluster F that will be changed again before long.
[This message has been edited by Joe Harlan (edited February 28, 2005).]
This is regional racing, not nationals. Sheesh. What our club did is use a specific gas station every week for the "control" sample. It was a crap shoot if you ran pump gas, but at least you knew where to buy it. If you elected to run race gas you knew you were OK.
Too much drama for regional racing IMHO.
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
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The quoted text never said anything about ultra fast now did it?Originally posted by apr67:
I have no idea what you are talking about, reaching for what?
Pleae quote where anyone said the ITB Rabbit GTI was a race winner.Originally posted by apr67:
Just stop being obtuse for a second and answer the question, who on the AdHoc has this fast and winning ITB Rabbit GTI?
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
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Gregg Baker,
Any update from Topeka?
Were you the "Gregg Baker" seeking credit on WindTunnel for a photo?
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Ok, just to set the record straight.
No one on the Ad Hoc races a ITB Rabbit.
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I realize that, but he DID race one, and it WAS competitive... Chris JUST told me that he believes the car is the MIDDLE of the class... That doesn't make it a good candidate for ITC...Originally posted by apr67:
Ok, just to set the record straight.
No one on the Ad Hoc races a ITB Rabbit.
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Darin E. Jordan
SCCA #273080, OR/NW Regions
Renton, WA
ITS '97 240SX
[This message has been edited by Banzai240 (edited February 28, 2005).]
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Someone needs to check his facts.
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I never said it did.
I just belive part of the justification you gave was bogus.
I also raced an ITB Rabbit GTI and got out of IT because my car moved further and further back in the pack by newer cars. Fact of life in IT that I thought the Ad Hoc and CRB was trying to effect change on.
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I will be sending my letter regarding the fuel situation. I agree, enforce the current rule, make the penalties very harsh if you are playing with the juice. My car is going to be a race car, lapping day car, Solo2 car, and a warm, sunny summer I-can't-drive-a-minivan-today day car. I will not buy gas at the track. I can get Costco (BP supplied) 92 octane consistently for less than $2.00 a gallon less than 5 miles from my house. Especially considering the fiasco I was involved with as a worker at a track a couple years ago where the track gas failed and the local region had to scramble and go buy several drums of fuel from a local supplier, who thankfully happened to have them available.
I will also be sending my letter opposing the ban on rechargable transponders. Again, enforce the current rules. If the car's transponder does not work (whether it is rechargeable or hard wired), black flag the car and bring them in until they fix it. Don't penalize me monetarily if others can't remember to recharge the dang thing.
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Steve Linn
'92 ITA Sentra SE-R
www.indyscca.org
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As long as you're setting the record straight, nobody said anything about a lighting fast Wabbit GTI or a race winning ITB Wabbit GTI.Originally posted by apr67:
Ok, just to set the record straight.
No one on the Ad Hoc races a ITB Rabbit.
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
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Is the transponder not there to facilitate timing and scoring? Are they not supposed to manually score the last lap as a backup (makes transponder location irrelevant).
As to the fuel...the event supps should specify the fuel(s). They have a control sample of said fuel(s) if yours doesn't test the same...your tossed. I don't care what it is (pump gas, race fuel, doctored fuel, etc) it is not the same as the control sample. I had nothing but positive experiances with fuel tests while karting at the national level for a few years.
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The point here is that the GTI is NOT an ITC car... and my "justification" for my opinion on this is that Chris Albin raced one of these cars and says that, today, they are a middle of the ITB pack car. We have a couple of other ITB drivers on the ITAC who agree...Originally posted by apr67:
I never said it did.
I just belive part of the justification you gave was bogus.
The bottom line here is that the GTI needs some help, but belongs in ITB...
We'll have to see if there is something that can be done about that...
DJ
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