Beetle in ITC

**oanglade** · 08-10-2004, 04:20 PM

I think that, when people go racing in IT, they start with a car they know or like or already have and not exactly look into which class is faster, etc. Some people do take it into account and might discount the idea if they can't see how "their" car might be competitive, but some others don't care. What is important is for the car to be classified so that the choice is there.

If there are people that want to race and they already have or really like the NB, then some will be built.

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Ony Anglade
ITA Miata
Sugar Hill, GA

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**ITSRX7** · 08-10-2004, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by badal:
Andy,
In all this exhausive research you did, how did stock top speeds compare? It looks to me like a stock NB will go 10-20 MPH faster than the existing cars.

I don't see this mentioned as a criteria anywhere, but higher top speed sure makes passing easier.

The constant defense of every piece of minutia is sooo fun...

With the same hp to weigh and gear ratios that are virtually free I don't think you will see a 20mph difference in top speed.

Having said that, certian cars in certain classes have their advantages. Some may be nimble and quick - some may be heavy but fast. It's a fact of life in every class RIGHT NOW.

Sorry you don't like the decision.

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6 (ITA project)
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com

**badal** · 08-10-2004, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
The constant defense of every piece of minutia is sooo fun...

There goes that tone you keep denying...
Not to mention you don't answer a single question I ask.

With the same hp to weigh and gear ratios that are virtually free I don't think you will see a 20mph difference in top speed.

I don't care what you think, facts are facts.

Having said that, certian cars in certain classes have their advantages. Some may be nimble and quick - some may be heavy but fast. It's a fact of life in every class RIGHT NOW.

Not in current ITC.

Sorry you don't like the decision.

Sorry you get to make decisions that don't concern you.
Sorry you can abuse your power.
Confused you ignore my questions.

AB

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"Bad" Al Bell
ITC #3 Datsun 510
DC Region MARRS Series

**ITSRX7** · 08-10-2004, 06:28 PM

Al,

What's with the attitude? Why can't you agree that the ITAC and the majority of this board have a different opinion than you do?

What question didn't I address? Or was it just that you didn't get the answer you like?

I answered on car counts - I disagree with your hypothosis.
I answered on cost - doesn't drive anything up if the car is not an overdog.
I answered on top speed - what 'facts' do you have? I assume you will trot out the following: stock top end, stock weight/hp, IT weight/hp then apply gearing accross the board to support your assertion that the NB will be 20 MPH faster than your 510.

Abuse my 'power'? Now that is a good one.

I am officially done. If you have concerns and ould like to write the CRB, please do so. You WILL NOT bring me back into this thread. You are now outside the 'circle of trust'.

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6 (ITA project)
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com

**Geo** · 08-10-2004, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by badal:
Andy,
In all this exhausive research you did, how did stock top speeds compare? It looks to me like a stock NB will go 10-20 MPH faster than the existing cars.

I don't see this mentioned as a criteria anywhere, but higher top speed sure makes passing easier.

You're assuming it can reach top speed on a race track and other cars reach top speed and just maintain that top speed while the NB will still be accelerating.

I seriously doubt the NB will be able to reach top speed except perhaps on a few rare tracks with tremendously long straights.

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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com

**grjones1** · 08-10-2004, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
IF the NB isn't an overdog, why does it drive up the cost of ITC? All the same cars are and will be competitive. It's another choice for people who may want to go to ITC to have.
AB

Now let's see, if the NB is simply "competitive" but not an overdog and eventhough it cost conservatively 33% more to build than any other ITC car, people will race it anyway and add to the numbers of ITC simply because they think the NB is a neat car?!

Sounds reasonable to me.

GRJ

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**grjones1** · 08-10-2004, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Geo:
I seriously doubt the NB will be able to reach top speed except perhaps on a few rare tracks with tremendously long straights.

George,
I understand that the courses in Texas may be limited, but in the East, we have places like Road Atlanta, VIR, Watkins Glen, etc. with enough straight to get your ITC car to terminal velocity for at least as long as it takes to pass other cars.
GRJ

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**grjones1** · 08-10-2004, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
Al,

...You are now outside the 'circle of trust'.
AB

What is this "circle of trust" thing? Uh oh, the black helicopters are beginning to circle again.
GRJ

**lateapex911** · 08-10-2004, 07:33 PM

Isn't it difficult to predict what top speed will be unless you know the gearing the competitor chooses? Watkins Glen? Ain't no way a nearly 2800 pound car is going to hit top end on that up hill straight, unless it has a high gear ratio, and then its top end will be lower than stock.

I really think this is reaching for straws here....

And accusing a AB for "abuse of power", now thats a new low!

(not a smiley)

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

**Greg Amy** · 08-10-2004, 07:35 PM

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">You WILL NOT bring me back into this thread.</font>

Oh, but I bet I can, YOU SLACKER!

(Ooops, sorry about that. The Prozac is wearing of....ah, I feel better now...mmm.....)

Don't bother me. I'm living happily ever after...

**Greg Amy** · 08-10-2004, 07:37 PM

Prozac still wearing off, still wearing...still....mmmmmm......)

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**grjones1** · 08-10-2004, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by lateapex911:
Watkins Glen? Ain't no way a nearly 2800 pound car is going to hit top end on that up hill straight, unless it has a high gear ratio, and then its top end will be lower than stock.

I really think this is reaching for straws here....

At least I didn't mention Lime Rock!

But I have a feeling stock top in on an NB is greater than IT top in for anything else presently in ITC.
GRJ

:0

, etc.

**Bill Miller** · 08-10-2004, 10:23 PM

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">You CAN, without any issues, build a frontrunner for $10K or less. You can buy frontrunning pre-raced cars all day long for less than $5K</font>

Scott, that may be stretching it a bit. I'll buy <$15k and $5k - $7.5k for the built, front-running cars.

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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608

**planet6racing** · 08-10-2004, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by grjones1:
Now let's see, if the NB is simply "competitive" but not an overdog and eventhough it cost conservatively 33% more to build than any other ITC car, people will race it anyway and add to the numbers of ITC simply because they think the NB is a neat car?!

Sounds reasonable to me.
GRJ

Umm, it wouldn't be the first time. I'm case and point. I have well over what it would have cost to built a CRX into my Saturn. Don't think it won't happen just because you wouldn't do it.

That said, can this topic finally just die?

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

**Knestis** · 08-11-2004, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by planet6racing:
...

That said, can this topic finally just die?

Which one?

K

**grjones1** · 08-11-2004, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by planet6racing:

That said, can this topic finally just die?

Bill,
I believe you have the option of not clicking on the title?!
GRJ

**grjones1** · 08-11-2004, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
I am officially done. If you have concerns and ould like to write the CRB, please do so. You WILL NOT bring me back into this thread. You are now outside the 'circle of trust'.
AB

"I'm going to take my ITAC, and go home"!

GRJ

**Geo** · 08-11-2004, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by grega:
Oh, but I bet I can, YOU SLACKER!

(Ooops, sorry about that. The Prozac is wearing of....ah, I feel better now...mmm.....)

Don't bother me. I'm living happily ever after...

Greg, readjust your Reynolds Wrap.

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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com

**lateapex911** · 08-11-2004, 08:12 PM

In this thread we have discovered my magic ratio.

Two funny posts can keep me from responding to one wise ass paraniod post.

Keep the funny stuff coming, help me resist the votex!

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

**grjones1** · 08-11-2004, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by lateapex911:
In this thread we have discovered my magic ratio.

Two funny posts can keep me from responding to one wise ass paraniod post.

Keep the funny stuff coming, help me resist the votex!

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