The "Potential ITC Cars That Aren't Classed" Thread

[Jake]

And how about this piggy Celica?

90-93 Toyota Celica ST
1.6 L 16V DOHC
103hp/106tq
2646lbs
9:1comp

[Knestis]

So the ITAC should start a list of tentative candidates and make a proposal to that the CRB list a nice cross-section of new cars from a number of manufacturers. Maybe one model from each to start?

K

[spnkzss]

What about the 90 Honda Civic (is it EX?), identical to my car (1.5L DPFI), but with 90 hp and a 5 speed. Add some weight to it (to even out the hp to weight with the 90 Civic Std) and it would be more track friendly.

[Catch22]

Originally posted by spnkzss:
What about the 90 Honda Civic (is it EX?), identical to my car (1.5L DPFI), but with 90 hp and a 5 speed. Add some weight to it (to even out the hp to weight with the 90 Civic Std) and it would be more track friendly.

The 88-91 Civic hatch and sedan DX cars should ALL be in ITB. They are currently very wrongly in ITA. That will hopefully be remedied sometime in the near future as the board continues to shuffle cars around.
FWIW - If you match both cars up on paper the 88-91 Civic DX is almost a dead match-up for the VW GTIs that are in ITB.

And I missed the 1.5 Protege listed above. Looks like that is the ITC car and the earlier 1.8 car should probably go to ITB.

For the record, I went through the trouble...
The average age of all cars listed currently in ITC is about <drumroll> -> 22 years old.
Yikes. I didn't even realize it was that bad.

So I think we have some pretty good classification ideas here. What is the next best step? I could write a bunch of separate letters for each vehicle, but is there a better, more streamlined approach?

[Knestis]

Ah hah! How about this getting included in the club racing strategic planning document, as a recommendation from the ITAC.

I totally believe that Scott is right on here - that the class needs the injection of some new blood in the worst way.

THAT is a strategic issue on which the ITAC should make policy recommendations.

K

EDIT - Don't forget the 105hp Geo Prism. Very cheap, tidy car.

[This message has been edited by Knestis (edited July 27, 2004).]

[Jiveslug]

Daewoo!!!!!!

Just kidding. Everyone put their shotguns away.

Perhaps the Ford Aspire?

Ok, shotguns again. Perhaps not.

I think Ill wait and see if some of the uber slow ITA and ITB cars get reclassed. Something about the Mustang II V6 in ITB gives me that warm fuzzy feeling right in the cockles of my heart.... Or was that the Mexican food?

In all seriousness, I like the idea of new blood. ITC is an attractive class due to the cost factor. However, I tend to shy away from it because there are all of 3 ITC cars in my region (SoPac). More cars=good.

Jive

[itmanta]

If any car should be dropped to ITC it is the 71-75 Opel Manta/Ascona with 1900cc, 7.6:1 compression. 76 stock HP, racing at 2180lbs give me a brake.

[Diane]

Originally posted by Jiveslug:
Something about the Mustang II V6 in ITB gives me that warm fuzzy feeling right in the cockles of my heart.... Or was that the Mexican food?

Hey Jive, long time no talk. Was that sarcasm or are you a fan of the MIIs? You can email me diane - at - mathermotorsports - dot - com



Diane

[ITC Racer]

How about the 96-2000 Honda Civic Hatch. Seems to be similar specs to second gen CRX Si but a bit heavier.

[Knestis]

The previous generation CX is already listed in C so the later equivalent can probably end up there as well, without too much hassle.

K

[Dick Elliott]

Here's one to rip your shorts. 71/72 Ford Pinto or Capri with a 1600 Kent. Same engine as a FF at 2100 lbs or so.

[lobster]

Some good some bad!!!

How did the Yugo get classifed at all!!! What hunks of junk! D.O.T. must have been payed off! Toyota Starlet 1.3l and 1850lbs this could work. I agree we need more ITB and ITC cars. How about the Alfa GTV's boy the Skeltons used to tear up the tracks in California with that white rocket they had 4 wheel disc brakes, 2400 lbs and a 2.0l wow Glenn

[emwavey]

Someone mentioned Daewoo, ... not a bad idea mon' There was a little "gt" version of the smallest of their offerings that seriously had me considering buying one. They became extremely cheap to buy after the announcement of their "going out of business".

The only problem I can see is the lack of available replacement parts... but is that really any different then what some of the older ITC cars are facing now?

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[hornerdon]

Originally posted by lobster:
Toyota Starlet 1.3l and 1850lbs this could work.

I built a Toyota Starlet ITC car a number of years ago. We had a very short career due to a rollover and some business pressures that came up while we were rebuilding the car, but I learned enough to say that the Starlet was never really competitive in ITC and certainly would not be, today. The 1290 cc engine is a pushrod, non-crossflow tractor engine, the transmission ratios are pure econo car, and it's very difficult to find anything other than the stock 3.15:1 rear end ratio (I have a 3.90 and a 4.10 from early Corollas, but I haven't seen any others for the last 10 years). It is rear wheel drive, which helps somewhat, but the wheelbase is so short it's difficult to set up under IT rules. Finally, they're always been relatively rare, but now ever more so because most of them have had engine swaps and gone drag racing.

The Starlet would be a top-level car for ITD for those regions that have it. But, it's one of the many cars that have been shoved aside to make room for newer, faster cars moving into ITC. I'm not sure that moving faster cars into a class always results in a gain in mumbers, because that kind of move usually makes several older cars less competitive.



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