Shocks legal

[RR]

Cant remember, are remote resivior shocks legal in IT?? Triple adjustable is now not legal....right??

[JohnRW]

Remote reservoir shocks are not legal. Shocks with more than two (2) (dos) (II) adjustments are not legal.

[RR]

I know triple adjustable are not legal, but my GCR (2 years old) says remote is permitable. Is this a new rule??

[ddewhurst]

1/1/03 with the rule.

[Banzai240]

2004 ITCS - Springs and Shock Absorbers (ITCS page 14)
Remote reservoir shock absorbers are prohibited beginning 1/1/03. As of 1/1/03, external adjustments of shock control shall be limited to two (2).

I just don't see how people get by without a new GCR/ITCS each year... Some friendly advice... DON'T rely on what you think is the case or what someone else tells you is the case... The "so-and-so said so" line will NOT get you through impound...

Also, aren't we required to have an updated copy of the GCR with us???




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Darin E. Jordan
SCCA #273080, OR/NW Regions
Renton, WA
ITS '97 240SX

[Knestis]

Originally posted by Banzai240:
... aren't we required to have an updated copy of the GCR with us???

I'm not taking your word for it, Darin: I'm going to look it up myself.

K

[Geo]

Originally posted by Knestis:
I'm not taking your word for it, Darin: I'm going to look it up myself.

K

Attaboy Kirk!



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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com

[ddewhurst]

****Also, aren't we required to have an updated copy of the GCR with us???****

NO...........

SHALL have a workshop manual for car entered.


Have Fun
David

[titanium]

Originally posted by Banzai240:
2004 ITCS - Springs and Shock Absorbers (ITCS page 14)
Remote reservoir shock absorbers are prohibited beginning 1/1/03. As of 1/1/03, external adjustments of shock control shall be limited to two (2).

Two adjustments of what?
Is an adjustment the same thing as a setting?
If a shock has five setting, but each setting only adjust two things, compression and rebound, is it legal?
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Rodney Williamson
#93 IT7
www.titaniummotorsports.com

[Banzai240]

Originally posted by Geo:
Attaboy Kirk!

Hey, I was just asking a question to test you guys!!

(Nice catch Kirk! )


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Darin E. Jordan
SCCA #273080, OR/NW Regions
Renton, WA
ITS '97 240SX


[This message has been edited by Banzai240 (edited January 23, 2004).]

[JohnRW]

Originally posted by titanium:
Two adjustments of what?
Is an adjustment the same thing as a setting?
If a shock has five setting, but each setting only adjust two things, compression and rebound, is it legal?

Two adjustments of anything: Rebound & Bump. Low Speed Bump & High Speed Bump. Rebound and Color. Color and Flavor. You are only allowed two (2) (dos) (II) adjustable things on the shock.

An 'adjustment' is not the same thing as a 'setting', in colloquial terms. An 'adjustment' is the thingy you turn, a 'setting' is just where you set the adjustment.

Your last question confuses the terms...are you setting an adjustment, or adjusting a setting ???

Language is a treacherous thing...and generally more dangerous than race cars. Beware.

[Quickshoe]

Is it two external adjustments? Or may I have one or more that requires the shock body to be removed?

[Geo]

Originally posted by Quickshoe:
Is it two external adjustments? Or may I have one or more that requires the shock body to be removed?

Define remove.

If you are saying simply removing from the car, i.e. Konis you have to push to the bottom to adjust, this is an external adjustment just like having knobs.

But, if you are tearing the damper apart, well, I'd say that's pretty much rebuilding it. Make all the adjustments you'd like that way.




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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com

[ChrisCamadella]

There are two things about every racing rule, the LETTER of the rule, and the SPIRIT of the rule. Many people have had a great deal of success in racing by violating the spirit, but not the letter.

The spirit of this rule is that you're only allowed to have two external adjustments that you can adjust without disassembling the shock, like in the pits for example.

My personal interpretation of the adjustable Koni foot valve that requires that the shock be completely compressed is that counts as an adjustment. However, I think the point is moot, since I'm pretty sure that Koni doesn't make any shocks that have that foot valve AND two other adjustments.

If you take the shock off the car and disassemble it, you can do whatever you want. Just like you're allowed to take the shock off the car and put a different one on. The one you modified may as well be a different one.

I personally would not do much bench revalving (of, say, a Penske shock) without either some very good data acquisition (and the means to interpret it) or a shock dyno, or both.

Just my $0.02...

Chris Camadella
ITS Porsche 944

[Quickshoe]

I ASSuMEd that taking it off the car to adjust/revalve it would be okay. What I was trying to get at is what if the shock has the means of externally adjusting high speed compression and rebound. With valving to tune for low speed compression internally, within the letter outside the intent???

[Geo]

Originally posted by Quickshoe:
I ASSuMEd that taking it off the car to adjust/revalve it would be okay. What I was trying to get at is what if the shock has the means of externally adjusting high speed compression and rebound. With valving to tune for low speed compression internally, within the letter outside the intent???

I can't imagine any reasonable person considering disassembling a damper an adjustment.

If you can adjust it w/o taking it apart, consider that an adjustment.

If you have to disassemble it, I think it's safe to say it's not an adjustment.


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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com