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With many disparate models in each class...and we have accepted that some cars make better race cars than others at a given, equal level of prep. The only thing that differs in each class is the...

Funny, when I called a well known BMW builder with an eye on buying a motec from them, they discouraged me (thank GOD) from buying it saying the cost wasnt worth the 4 or 5 crankHP. But hey...you...

You mean like testing the SIR before putting it in a recommendation?

Oh, how dare I...

Fine. But since it has not worked as promised, the implementation method should be changed accordingly. This has not happened. I find it odd, to say the least, that sufficient data was collected to...

So what you are saying is that your promise was meaningless. Having been disproven has not affected implementation at all. That, sir, is a total lack of honor.



My process for coming up with...

Restricting your list to a series of untenable choices does not make for meaningful debate. I told you months ago I'd give the E36 150 pounds. I also provided a clear reason for that number.
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I don't think they lied, I think they didn't know better. Subtle but important difference which has no bearing on the end result.

Perhaps this is the $64,000 question:

It appears that the E36 would have been considered within the target ITS envelope had the SIR had no effect on HP and torque below the target. If, beyond...

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Gotta love Bimmerforums...

Andy specifically stated that ITAC offered two...

You promoted it. You backed it. You promised it would work and said "trust me".

You abstained from the final ITAC recommendation vote, as I understand it. That's mighty christian of you. (BTW, why...

That was not a personal attack, it was a statement of fact.

LOL. Do you or do you not make money on ITS RX7's?

26 ponies. Nice work!

Flatout motorsports?

It was over 180. I'll see if I can get the baseline. Also, and more importantly, comparing hp numbers from diffeerent dyno's is a tricky business. I've seen variation of 5% in stock E46 M3 motors...

We were told, by you, that the SIR would cap power, not cut it accross the entire usable RPM range. So much that, eh?

At least Finch is only charging a 25% restocking fee on the 27mm SIR. ...

Here ya go. This dyno is a 29mm SIR on a freshly built (1 race w/ BMWCCA) Stickley motor, custom tune non-Motec. This is, excepting the 3 or 4 ponies Motec may provide, a max motor. I don't have the...

Then post them. You have them.

edit: Or at least tell us why CRB felt compelled to test a 34mm SIR last weekend.

Engineering on paper is easier than making things actually work, aint it, Andy.

Why? That the SIR size can be simply calculated w/o real world testing is an ASSumption that has been debunked. You know it, Andy knows it, CRB knows it, and as soon as real results are released...

The ability to grasp the obvious hardly makes me all seeing.

Another example of this is my objection to the SIR mandate without testing. You and AB both asserted that testing was not necessary...

My response to you is your own words...



It's time to stand up, Andy.

May be nothing. I had a donor car identified, a cage builder set, and a motor on order. I dropped it all when I came to the conclusion that equality is not what is going to happen.

I love the attempt to divorce ITAC from any responsibility. It's hillarious.

lol. yeah, reality didn't jive with your math.

from reading this cluster**** of a thread, you'll be testing multiple sizes now...

but hey, all those folks who told you that this had to be...

I have not stonewalled changes. I have responded to what amount to inflated horsepower claims (220, do I hear 225? 225! do I hear 230?) and contended that the subjectives end of the class calculation...