ITE etc

Been reading a bit about the different classes most of the Regions have so they can fit random cars that do not appear under the GCR

ITE sounds interesting, but seems like every region has its own (similar) set of added rules.

We have a few cars interested in racing, but seems that is kinda difficult to accommodate, for example turbo cars,honda engine swapped cars or a 1984 BMW 325 Alpina.

As we all know, whithout having to send them to GT and spend the big bucks, what would be the options?
Our local classes are only in the IT and GT spectrum.

Thanks in advance

Where are you located? In the Southeast, we don't have ITE as an official class, although a region or two (North Carolina, I think) include it in their events. The official catch-all classes are SPO and SPU (super production over and under 2.5 liters). SPUs are most commonly mini-Cup type cars, but also includes things like Mazda 12a-powered Sprites, and usually run with Production, GTL and ITB/C. SPOs are usually some version of tube frame V8s that based on older GT1s or short track stock cars, and run with the other big bore cars. All turbo cars run in SPO. If the cars you have are under 2.5 liters, they should be a good fit. Things like modified 2.5+ BMWs or turbo-Miatas that end up in SPO will usually be outclassed by a serious SPO, although I have seen a couple of BMWs that were fairly competitive. It's possible some of the engine-swapped Hondas and turbo cars might also fit into STU or STL.

If you have other questions, let me know.

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...We have a few cars interested in racing, but seems that is kinda difficult to accommodate, for example turbo cars,honda engine swapped cars or a 1984 BMW 325 Alpina...

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FWIR, you are racing in Puerto Rico, right? ... If you put a signature in, we
wouldn't have to call you by a number :)

In the northeast, all three of your examples would be able to run in the catchall
class ITE, as long as they meet all the safety rules of IT. I guess they also
shouldn't be ridiculously out of the spirit of the class too, so if you are tube
framed with a funnycar shell, that wouldn't fly, but I have seen ITE cars with
plexiglass windows, big wings, turbos, etc...

Competitiveness? well that's another matter... With turbo Porsches, or supercharged
M3's or AWD STi's to run against, who knows... as the owners of these cars get
serious, however, thy might tweak their cars to be able to leave the catchall
class and enter STU or another choice... but to start, ITE would be fine!

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If you put a signature in, we wouldn't have to call you by a number

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Coming from Mr #15374 that's a tall order... ;)

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In the northeast, all three of your examples would be able to run in the catchall class ITE, as long as they meet all the safety rules of IT...

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...and DOT-approved tires. We call ITE "IT Everything" which means that you won't have any trouble participating, but if you think your hot-rodded car is going to consistently win, I'm'a gonna trump you with one of those turbo Porsches that pop up once in a while. When there's no rules, then there's no way to win consistently.

Only thing I've ever seen protested in ITE is someone running race (slick) tires. Everything else is fair game.

Engine swaps are allowed in Super Touring (2L and under in STL), with forced induction allowed in STU (and normally-aspirated >2L through 3200cc).

GA

Unless the Rules have changed in New England, any car you brought to the table in ITE was supposed to be legal for some other sanctioning bodies class plus DOT tires. I have a feeling it has morphed from IT-Enduro (I think the original nomenclature) to more of an IT-Everything as Greg points out...meaning like Glenn said, if you meet IT safety regs and you are running on DOT tires, you are basically free to run-whatcha-brung.

I think it's a cool catch-all but be prepared to be at the slow end of a GT1/GT2 run group.

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Unless the Rules have changed in New England, any car you brought to the table in ITE was supposed to be legal for some other sanctioning bodies class plus DOT tires. I have a feeling it has morphed from IT-Enduro (I think the original nomenclature) to more of an IT-Everything as Greg points out...meaning like Glenn said, if you meet IT safety regs and you are running on DOT tires, you are basically free to run-whatcha-brung.

I think it's a cool catch-all but be prepared to be at the slow end of a GT1/GT2 run group.

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And to that...ITEZ is meant to be nothing more than ITE for lesser powered cars.:shrug:

Thanks for the answers..

I am thinking of ITE in a class for, as you said, bring what you got as long as it does not fit in one of our established classes.
Since posting I have been reading a lot about the different region's IT (E,X,E-O,E-U,etc) classes.

Seems like some are more into the ex-firehawk, escort, etc classes and rules, others to fit random cars.

I see it as a way to allow cars to compete without excluding, be it for as long as the SCCA certifies them, till they change what is not legal, or forever on the class.

Our case (and yes it's Puerto Rico) we are not SCCA, but we follow the SCCA GCR, but as any other place there are cars that do not "fit"
We do not have STU/STL (which would allow most of our GT3 cars) so we are looking (I am looking) for a decent option to propose to the Club.
We do not have the luxury to turn away possible racers because of purism.

In the NCR-SCCA ITE is a class that is true to its IT designation. You have a car that meets or exceeds Improved Touring safety specifications then you can race it on DOT tires. Works well and provides and opportunity to get cars out on track that would have difficulties in other SCCA classes.

Yes, that is another interesting point, although we have no problems with it since our IT classes must race with a mono-class tire.

I was wondering (and thinking the best) would be to have two separate ITE for over and under 3 liters

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I was wondering (and thinking the best) would be to have two separate ITE for over and under 3 liters

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In practice though, there are few ITE cars and less classes is better for scheduling a race weekend. There have never been any problems with ITE as it exists in the SE.

PR has a different mix of built cars than SARRC. the Caribbean series car rules are pretty open and local culture is much more in line with drag racing / free rules tuning than structured and limited IT rules.

Do what you guys need to do to get car son track and people having a good time, but maybe consider the south east's SPU/O setup where production safety rules and over+ turbo and under 2.5L is the threshold.

74, maybe these will help; http://www.ogren-engineering.com/ite...an-racing.html

There is a break for engine size and the rest is pretty open.
More so than ITE that was based upon World Challenge cars and not really based at all on anything other than not fitting any other IT rules.
We did have a new guy with a car that had no fire system and they(**** nice guys in tech****) fit him into the ITE class for that reason. HTH, MM

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PR has a different mix of built cars than SARRC. the Caribbean series car rules are pretty open and local culture is much more in line with drag racing / free rules tuning than structured and limited IT rules.

Do what you guys need to do to get car son track and people having a good time, but maybe consider the south east's SPU/O setup where production safety rules and over+ turbo and under 2.5L is the threshold.

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In our road racing rules, for many years it has been properly structured. In the 80's the Caribbean and Central America (and most of South America) raced under IMSA rules, so we all could race from one place to another with the same classes. Things became complicated when different countries adopted rules from different sanctions and even created their own. That kind of took a toll on the heyday of Caribbean/Central America racing.
Of course, theres some very creative rules going on right now in Jamaica, Barbados and Guyana (and even a series amongst them) but PR has adopted SCCA rules. Even so, we have steadily and strongly added cars (more so in the last 6-9 months) by listening and accepting. But good or bad, restrictive or not, this is what we have and what we need to work with. Now, pairing up with Dominican Republic rules (so we can race against each other is gonna be another story)

I have a few clients in the DR.(data, parts , setups) They spend piles of money compared to SCCA IT.
The DR has very light cars with lots of carbon, glass, lexan etc. Not at all like SCCA IT rules . More like SCCA Production cage, suspension, bodywork, with stock drivelines.
Stock gear sets, stockish engine with rules that promote carbs on modern engines. (weight break). The final straw, DOT tires !! Pretty sure that run Kumho XS or similar.

These rules are the close; http://worldracingleague.org/
They are simply # per pound. BMW gets the advantage here due to overachieving the rated HP.
If you don't have the DR rules let me know and I will get them to you.
Maybe you can join the island hopping boat :)
MM

They race DTS which is kinda a BTCC deal, RS (as IMSA) and a couple Spin offs from what we used to race PM, (modified production) called TN and ST

GT3 and RS can be matched
ITA and ST (I believe) could work as well..

Or we can use the STL/STU base and work it out..

But first we are working on our own to make it grow..