Trying to figure out all the championships within IT. ARRC, NARRC, IT fest, etc. Is there a thread or can someone explain what they all are? Is there a championship ladder (i.e. Playoffs then Super Bowl)?
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Trying to figure out all the championships within IT. ARRC, NARRC, IT fest, etc. Is there a thread or can someone explain what they all are? Is there a championship ladder (i.e. Playoffs then Super Bowl)?
Hmmm...
Interesting question!
K
Many , many championships...not all just IT. In the NE/ GLD we have NYSRRC and the Kryder Series, for example.
As Kirk says, good question.
I look at it in this fashion - the NARRC/SARRC series are road race points championships that test mettle and many tracks and finishes with a double points championship race.
The ARRC is a single road race at Road Atlanta that depends on nothing else, so essentially it is an Atlanta Road Racing Championship.
ProIT is another isn't it?
The reason I ask is because my season in the MIDIV is over and that's it. The national drivers get the runoffs, IT drivers build up to.........
.........nothing. Just seems a shame.
I've kicked the idea around of switching to STU in order to get to the runoffs. Problem is I really like IT and want to stick with it. Having some sort of IT points system and a "national" IT runoffs would be the cat's azz! Yeah I know, dead horse. ;)
Not to jump the shark on the deal, but expect an announcement within the next couple of weeks about the "next level" for IT drivers. A bunch of folks much smarter than me have been working on it and it's VERY close to coming to fruition for 2012!
(And yes, some folks think it's better than IT classes being invited to the Run-Ons)
Wow! Can't wait to hear the details!
Mitch, just do like Albin and bring two cars to the event. This way you can qualify for Nationals and still run IT. :smilie_pokal:
I still think the NARRC Runnoffs have a lot more depth of cars that could win, in ITB anyway. To me that has always been the BIG year end event. Then again I have only made the trip to two ARRC events. I probably wont go back (in ITB ) unless the car counts spike at some point.
I think a "Real" runnoffs in IT needs to see 30+ IT cars in each class. I soooooo wish we could pull it off BUT it would take all regions working together throughout the country since I really think they would need to dump a bit of money into it to make it attractive like the National Runoffs.
I think it all depends on the class as well. Some classes tend to migrate to a particular series. Here in the North East the ITB guys are geared towards NARRC. I would say the "core" Northeast ITB guys have been doing this a long time and holding onto the NARRC program. But the ITR guys are mostly running the Treadzone Pro-IT series. Heck this year we had the largest ITR field in country at WG during a Pro-IT race.
For me if I was going to run a series in the Northeast (with the cars I own) I don't watch the ITA and ITS closely enough. I think the Pro-IT ITS cars are very competitive but several of them double dip, just not sure if they are running the full NARRC schedule anymore.
- In my ITB car I would go for the NARRC
- In my ITR car I would go for the Pro-It.
Don't forget the PCRRC:
http://www.calclub.com/PCRRC.php
Ralf - I think Albin has a money tree in his back yard!:D I have seriously considered double dipping (ITA/STx) but you need deep pockets to be competitive. Two cars/classes has to be expensive!
JLawton - Yeah like the ARRC but in a more "National/official" system.
StephenB - A "Real" IT Runoffs would be great!
Sounds like we're not alone wondering how we can make it happen. It would take a lot organization from all the divisions to make it work. We'll see I guess.
Quoted for posterity. Yes, you will. :)Quote:
....We'll see I guess.
K
Anybody remember that there are a bunch of MARRS folks that would be interested?
Butch, did you bribe someone to create this thread? lol
For the most part, I think there are specific races in regions which are highlights. I personally am not a follower of the NARRC championships (other than the NARRC Runoffs event itself). Generally speaking, it seems more of an attendence game.
Dave - I agree. Moving away from a registration competition is one of the benefits of the new idea. In our neck of the woods we have small fields in IT. Now sometimes they are high quality, with a few front running ARRC contenders in the mix, and other years if you show up to everything you might win. If this works as intended we could develop a premiere divisional IT event that brings out the best competition all at once consistently, while making a trip to the Fest and ARRC appealing to more people.
I am really looking forward to this thing.
Running up front in STx will be expensive too. Much cheaper for a full ITx build than an STx. don't plan on running up front in STU unless you have money to burn. When I started building my car for the class, I figured I'd get a couple more years out of it before it got $$$$ to run up front. nah. that happened this summer. I'll always be the poor guy 5 sec off the pace.. but I'll still be there. :)
I just ran the SARRC series for points this year and won. Best six races count PLUS double points for the SIC (equivalent of the NARRC runoffs I think).
We had 100 separate cars run over the course of the year (I believe) with maybe 10 guys running more than 6 races. 3 of us had a shot at the championship.
SARRC is not a show up and win series, although it can be "gamed" in some ways if you are willing to tow long distances. Daytona, Sebring, VIR, Road Atlanta, CMP, Roebling, Charlotte and Barber generally get large ITS fields and you need to have your A game on to win.
That said, if you are willing to tow to Palm Beach, Homestead or Nashville, you can score some easy points.
To me, the SARRC championship is more prestigious (to me) than the ARRC becuase of the year long need for consistency and reliability, the competition, and the fact you have to run and win at very different tracks.
yes, this threads timing is VERY interesting!
Stay tuned indeed!
(Stephen, good luck on getting 30 car fields. And even tho the NARRCoffs has a strong 20+ car field, lets face it, most aren't ARRC quality. (The front IS strong, but, ever been to a MARRS race in ITB? I can think of 3 down there that will shake you up. Then there's Albin, etc etc etc....
Hopefully one of those goals will be to get an invite to the "National Improved Touring Road Racing Championship"!!!:023:
You guys have my full attention.:)
Not speaking for Jeff, but I'd find something else to do if each year I had to run all 30+/- SARRC races (14-18 weekends) in order to contend for the the series championship. Different parts of the country have different challenges, but in 2011 SEDiv held 32 SARRC races at ten tracks from Homestead (South Florida) to Barber (Birmingham) to Nashville to VIR (Southern Virginia). Requiring folks to compete at all or even most of those races in order to win a championship would have resulted in maybe three people (overall) participating. We constantly debate whether or not counting one's best six is too few, but so far that number seems to be working. It also means you could have 3 or 4 drivers show up at the final race (the SARRC Invitational Challenge) with the same number of points, which makes for some VERY good racing there.
I wish we could have 30+ car fields. :) I think it would be extremely hard to get that many cars in a class at anypoint anymore. But I WISH it could happen. :)
MARRS races in "B" are awesome! I bet the summit race is the BEST race in the country for "B" and I have always wanted to go. On my list the ARRC would come in third to the MARRS Summit race and the NARRC runoffs. Sadly both Summit and RA are so far and costly to travel that I just haven't been able to do it.
On Edit! I am at the edge of my seat waiting to hear this new news!!!!!! I don't visit the sandbox often but are they talking about it on that site? Should I go visit it and search through all the clutter?
Stephen
The best B race I ever saw was ITFest 2008. 22 cars very few 'slow' ones and some very fast ones. Not likely that I will get a chance to sample a MARRS event, so I can't compare.
Just curious on the other IT classes what are the biggest events for those that are racing throughout the country.
Stephen
No need to go to the sandbox Stephen, it'll be announced shortly on here.
I hate to be evasive on this, but we've been asked to wait until next Wednesday to make the "official" announcement about this. What I can tell you right now is this program (which WILL happen in 2012) developed out of the following thread over on RRAX.com:
http://roadraceautox.com/showthread.php?t=35806
So ours is a TON less vigorous, but we all also have multiple series to choose from. Here it was 11 events over 7 weekend, with one must-attend double-points Runoff. 5 different tracks. Then there is the NERSCCA, NYSRRC and Pro It series all at the same time with additional weekends. Most racers here think one more than half the races is a good call to allow for real life.
I agree 100% with Butch. If I had to tow from VIR to Barber in Alabama to Sebring and all points in between to run 30 races since all of them counted, I'd be (a) broke and (b) even more single than I already am.
Butch, FWIW, I think six is dead on. Seems to work the same every year. We get 75-100 entries in SM, SRF, ITS and sometimes ITA, with 4-5 guys running enough and well enough to contend for the championship. I tihnk that works. Anything more and it gets tough for the amateur racer to run enough races to count. Anything less and it can be too easy to be good at just one track.
Is this going to be an East coast or a National thing?
The West Coast guys will say it's an East Coast thing, but I'd prefer to say it's (currently) an "East of the Rockies" thing.
Three parts to the Championship:
. The IT-Fest at Mid-Ohio in late July
. The ARRC by GRM at Road Atlanta in early November
. Your best single result at a number of well-attended "Elective" events
I'm not yet at liberty to disclose the entire schedule, but the closest to you, Mitch, would be the Firecracker Grand Prix at Hallett in July or the Kettle-Moraine at Road America in mid-August.
We currently have no West Coast events listed among the Elective races but we could easily add one or two if there's interest. Given that the eventual champion will most likely have to attend the IT-Fest AND the ARRC, however, I'm not sure any of the West Coast guys would be interested.