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I have heard they will but the question at hand is will they pass the tear down? We all know the success (fast lap times) they have had with the cars this year. They have to be making some good power but I wonder if it is all legal power. My guess is not as there was a rumor floating around the paddock they used Titanium Rods. I think someone should protest them and find out. What do you guys think about the motors in those cars?
Umm, yeah, what is up with this? This is your second post, and, iirc, you're first one was equally accusational (about the BMW's, I believe).
Post your name and some information to back it all up. I demand Tech!
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.htmlQuote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Sunbelt builds a lot of SM and IT car motors I think... not sure, but I always hear the name floating around... but I can not imagine that they would put their name on the line with illigal motors when they are so big.
Raymond can't afford the sunbelt http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/frown.gif" Blethen
I took the bait and spit it back at the wannabe.... I wont start the negative gossip that this poster is looking for http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif
Raymond "still can't afford the belt even after putting in a good word" Blethen
Hey, what do you guys think about putting the New Beetle in ITC?
Comments? Observations?
GB
Great replies from you guys. Serious post and you take it that way. You are right I don't post here often but I read the site everyday and I do race. I can't make it to the ARRC this year because I sold my car. That doesn't mean I can't speculate about it. So flame on if you must but those are legitmate questions.
Wonder if tech will be a witchhunt this year? No problems with the Miata with the ported intake manifld last year, or the ballast placement in the 3rd place finishing ITS car - same exact place I was DQed for the year before.
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James Clay
http://www.bimmerworld.com
http://www.bimmerworldracing.com
Engineered BMW Performance
2003 ITS ARRC Champions
(540) 639-9648
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BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.... I wonder if any rules nerds or conspiracy theorists that can't think outside their narrow world of the GCR will show up? Crap like this kills great events like this....Lets just shut up and RACE....
As an answer, I've had 2 Sunbelt engines in my cars. Both were totally legal. Jim Thompson is both inventive and honest. And has built ARRC winning engines that passed tech. Besides SM and IT, they produce World Challenge stuff too.
Just my 2 cents.
Tom
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James,
Are you going to be there with any cars and who is driving?
Nick
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Nick Leverone
04 ITS Mazda Rx-7
www.flatout-motorsports.com
I will be there with a few ITS cars owned by customers - not driving at this point though (I have my helmet packed). See you there?
I think the ARRC is one of the most fun races of the year. I personally like the chance to have everything torn down to silence the skeptics.
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James Clay
http://www.bimmerworld.com
http://www.bimmerworldracing.com
Engineered BMW Performance
2003 ITS ARRC Champions
(540) 639-9648
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I think it's going to be a class killer with those JATO rockets.Quote:
Originally posted by gsbaker:
Hey, what do you guys think about putting the New Beetle in ITC?
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
erlrich:
When I typed my first response, that's the word I was looking for! Thanks for that! It's been bothering me all day!
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
As much as I hate to do it, I'm going to be serious in my response.
First, you are referring to the ARC BMWs with the Sunbelt motors (I assume). Yes, they are fast. But I have a news flash for you, there are quite a few other E36s all over the country that are just as fast. Mr. Clay's certainly fall into this category.
Are the ARC cars illegal as suggested here??? I dunno. Maybe. Maybe not.
But I will say that when you take a terribly overdogged chassis, put tons of financial backing behind it, and put a driver like Chet W. behind the wheel... Well... The result isn't too terribly much of a surprise now is it.
I personally don't think the cars are illegal simply because they don't NEED to be. But thats just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Yeah I agree with James and think the ARRC is one of the funnest races of the year. But like any race there is going to talk about who is really fast and who isn't. And to some of the people being fast is cheating. I think that is why there has been speculation this year on the Sunbelt motors. I don't anything about them other than Chet is an awesome driver in a car that is hooked up. It makes me wish I still had my car so I could go head to head with him this year.
Anybody got a similar car I can rent? ;-)
Whatever, you guys are all cheating! :P
I've come to realize over the last couple of years that people who cheat (or at least blatantly and/or knowingly) do not come to the ARRC. Yes, people do get DQ'd in tech but it usually seems to be over things that even if I raced against the guy, I wouldn't care about (Clay's ballast example is a fine one). If someone in your region wins everything but always has an excuse of why he won't run the ARRC, I'm sorry, but I'll make the assumption he's cheating. If not, come down to the ARRC, win it, get torn down, and prove me wrong.
Kevin
RuckRacing ITA Integra
Thats why the Northeast is so good http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif Top runners in ITS, ITA, and ITB come to the ARRC...
see you at Road Atlanta http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif
Raymond Blethen
Nah, they're magnesium of course. Bring your bond money. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gifQuote:
Originally posted by ITSWannabe:
My guess is not as there was a rumor floating around the paddock they used Titanium Rods. I think someone should protest them and find out.
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katman
The whole thing about teching engines is such a joke.
See Protest story.
The ARRC has a better set of people and tools, but they still could not tell if that throttle body was stock or not!
As for engine builders. Why do people who race in Showroom Stock and Spec Miata pay 7k to 10k for a stock motor? Do engine builders somehow make them more stock?
You can't call them cheaters, because no one (that I am aware of) has ever be called out as illegal with these motors.
quote;As for engine builders. Why do people who race in Showroom Stock and Spec Miata pay 7k to 10k for a stock motor? Do engine builders somehow make them more stock?
You can't call them cheaters, because no one (that I am aware of) has ever be called out as illegal with these motors.
Well, I can tell you that one of these motors that we thought was legal, cost us a SM championship this year due to "inventive" cam shafts. The engine builder was very quick to send us a legal set of camshafts to pass tech, but the damage had already been done.
What company was this that built you an illegal motor, against your word. What was so "inventive" and do you have proof that they sent you free camshafts for replacement? Can you scan the receipt and post it. That would certainly be proof enough for me that the engine builder went against your word building an illegal motor. I really wish that their was a way to make an a$$ out of companies like that, we (as "investors") shouldn't be condoning this sort of activity and we should be trying to stop it.
It is wrong enough to cheat on your own, but to sell products to people who haven’t a clue is completely unnecessary/wrong and unethical.
Raymond "errrr" Blethen
Titanium Rods !!!! sounds familiar... heard that story before 3 or 4 years ago on a Sunbelt Build engine on a CRX ITA engine that won the ARRC..... http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif sounds very familiar........ few people even said that they had pictures of them taking out of that engine. I never found out if that was true or not.
I would be running but 20 minutes into the VIR 13 hour the car tried to kiss the fence between two and three. Problem was that there was a gaurd rail in the way. At least one of our brand new Hella lamps made it all the way to some fans at the fence. Good luck to all and lets hope that the little things don't turn into big things in impound.
Ron Sattele
ITB "Flat Nosed" Mustang
James,Quote:
Originally posted by James Clay:
I will be there with a few ITS cars owned by customers - not driving at this point though (I have my helmet packed). See you there?
I think the ARRC is one of the most fun races of the year. I personally like the chance to have everything torn down to silence the skeptics.
IIRC, the year you guys got booted for the ballast issue, your motors were torn down and legal. These cars are legal IMHO.
Good luck and congrats on a great season on WC.
AB
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Andy Bettencourt
New England Region, R188967
ITS RX-7 and ITA project SM
www.flatout-motorsports.com
Fast drivers will always be tagged as "running an illegal car". Luckily, I'm not in that category. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif We all know a particular VW that has been "too fast" all his life and has been torn down and found legal many times.