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I am looking for ways to loose weight.. I myself am pretty slim at 128lbs. But my car is a little front heavy.
I was wondering what the rule or how you all look at lightening the Reinforcing structure from the hood. Is this a legal modification?
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Toodles,
Stacey_B AOL IM: SCCAStaceyIB 1990PGL SCCA STSL "Girls Do It Better" Cal Club T&S, BWRP,WS,Lag,Hallett www.scpoc.com : www.probetalk.com Racing is my life. Winner One Lap of America 2003- SSGT2 class 1996 Ford Probe GT.
Not legal at all.
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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608
Stacey, unless you consider that this reinforcing is "engine compartment insulation" like stated in ITCS 17.1.4.D.8.e, it's not legal.
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Tim Linerud
San Francisco Region SCCA
#95 GP Wabbit
http://linerud.myvnc.com/racing/index.html
Good try, though...
okkies guys.. thanks for the info..
My quest continues..
[This message has been edited by Racy-Stacey (edited September 18, 2004).]
Aluminum radiator would help....
My car comes with an Aluminimum radiator already.... : )
I dont even have cruise control stuff. But I do have a god awful heavy hood and huge engine mounts. and where the other weight is coming from I'm not sure.. But its a 4cly shouldnt be as heavy as it is in the front.
Right now I'm looking at 2700# car.. with a 120 hp motor.. can you say.. mid pack or worse on the power to weight ratio.
I'm going to remove the AC condensor rad today. All of its brackets and stuff. I already removed the AC compressor and brackets. That stuff was heavy. And taking the plumbing out looks like a pain in the arse. The plumbing is all alumium anyways so I think the Hassel vs Weight ratio isnt worth the effort.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Toodles,
Stacey_B AOL IM: SCCAStaceyIB 1990PGL SCCA STSL "Girls Do It Better" Cal Club T&S, BWRP,WS,Lag,Hallett www.scpoc.com : www.probetalk.com Racing is my life. Winner One Lap of America 2003- SSGT2 class 1996 Ford Probe GT.
Getting a pig to weight is not about doing big things.
It's 100's of little things.
But a few big things come to mind. The weight of tires and wheels. If your wheels are just 2.5lbs ea over the weight of lighter wheels, thats 10lbs.
"And taking the plumbing out looks like a pain in the arse. The plumbing is all alumium anyways so I think the Hassel vs Weight ratio isnt worth the effort. "
Try a cutoff wheel on a die grinder. It will cut through that pipe in a few seconds. I had the A/C plumbing out of my car in about 30 min.
BTW, apr67 is right. When I was ready to get my car on track for the first time, she was about 200 lbs heavy, and I thought there was no way to get her down to weight, particularly since I weigh in around 235. Well, long story short, I now have 50 lbs of lead on the floor and still have to be careful about my fuel load to make sure I'm not under.
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Ty Till
#16 ITS
Rocky Mountain Division
the a/c condenser was a lot heavier on my car than I expected. I took it and all the a/c plumbing out with an angle grinder. the hardest part of the job was untangling the extension cord to plug in the grinder.
be careful taking electrical stuff out though. I took a little box out that I though was part of the stereo and made the taillights quit working. oops http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif
Racey, did any Probe models have an aluminum hood? Maybe some of the GT models. Have you checked into aftermarket fenders that are lighter weight? Creativity, girl, creativity is necessary.
In the end you may need to look at moving other weight ie gas tank, fire bottle, etc around so that the total weight is more balanced in the car.
Let's try to stick with legal solutions, shall we?Quote:
Originally posted by whenry:
Racey, did any Probe models have an aluminum hood? Maybe some of the GT models. Have you checked into aftermarket fenders that are lighter weight? Creativity, girl, creativity is necessary.
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
Racy, How about power steering? Can you go to a manual rack? The under dash A/C parts/ evap. core, sound insulation tar in the fenders and under the old carpet areas. Rotor backing plates, air dam, etc I am on the Atkins with our Pinto also lost 30 pds need about 50 lbs more!! See you a Willow Springs Oct 2-3rd? Glenn
Geo,
What would be illegal about an aluminum hood if there is/are '96 Probe GT's (same spec line) that came with them?
Lots of ITS Rx7's out there with aluminum hoods. Not all 2nd gen Rx7 had aluminum hoods, but models included on the same spec line came with them.
As far as the non-oem body parts, the ITCS says something along the lines of "...same contour, etc...nothing about requiring OEM"
Stacey,
How about a lighter windshield?
[This message has been edited by Quickshoe (edited September 20, 2004).]
Well for starters there are no 96 Probes classified. Only the 93 is currently classified. But you are correct that if a car on the same line has an aluminum hood it is legal on all cars on the line. Aftermarket fenders are illegal however.Quote:
Originally posted by Quickshoe:
Geo,
What would be illegal about an aluminum hood if there is/are '96 Probe GT's (same spec line) that came with them?
Hmmm....Quote:
Originally posted by Quickshoe:
As far as the non-oem body parts, the ITCS says something along the lines of "...same contour, etc...nothing about requiring OEM"
Best guess is you're refering to "Body repair shall be performed using every reasonable effort to maintain stock body contours, lips, etc.
Hmmm... Interesting interpretation. However, I doubt you could find lightweight panels that you could fly under that interpretation.
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
Since my website is www.probetalk.com . com I have the inside on everything Probe related.
There is a company that sells Carbon fiber hoods.fenders.and trunk lids. that are Factory match in appearance. If I were to build a GT car out of a Probe I would go that route.
I cant use a lightend windshield.. come on now.. I have a lot of glass in my probe for sure and its heavy but its also. Fastback style so I probe(bly) have a better co rating cutting the air than some cars.
The stock 14" wheels are aluminum and they are kinda light. High 20's I think is what they weigh with Falcon Azinth tires on them.
I do have one more "Is this legal question"
The Turbo model (GT) and the (LX) model Probes come with Disk rear brakes. They are also 1st gen style probes. Same year, same boby style, just different enterior goodies and of course one is Turbo. Can I use the disk rear brakes as an option on my car?
Note: For the future, I hope to start up a Probe racing series once I get it cleared with SCCA, There will be money to be won. So I hope to have Probes popping up all over the country racing for cash and prizes.. Thats my dream anyways.
[This message has been edited by Racy-Stacey (edited September 21, 2004).]
Stacey,
No dice on the carbon fiber--"alternate material"
I was speaking to the aftermarket fenders that are also steel but maintain the factory contour---perhaps just cheaper/thinner that might save you 5 pounds on 15 pounds of fenders total. Not exactly cost effective to lose 5 pounds. But, if they get banged up and need replacement some thought into replacing them with 'cheaper' ones might be worth the effort.
Same with the windshield. Not all windshields will be the same thickness. A PPG windshield for a Probe might weigh a few more pounds than a safelight (for example).
I seriously doubt your wheels AND Azenis weigh 20#, your Azenis probably weigh close to that by themselves and lightweight OEM alloys are probably over 11-12# on their own.
Good luck. As mentioned above, you are going to have to make a concious effort in the weight reduction route. Pay attention to ALL of the little things you do.
[This message has been edited by Quickshoe (edited September 21, 2004).]
Touche George, just looked at her signature. Didn't pause to see if there were even any '96 Probe GT's classified.Quote:
Originally posted by Geo:
no 96 Probe...
Believe it or not my rear drums (i've been told)are lighter than the discs...FWD..omni...plastic headlights are lighter than glass...and driver side door bars helped...gutting door 16 lbs....removing weight(and making the car safer)....priceless http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif
I think we are talking about Stacey's 1990 4cyl car. This isn't even classified. I would look for it to be around 2550 in ITB - if anyone ever sends in a request and the proper paperwork.
The only car classified is the GT model with the V6.
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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6 (ITA project)
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com
Andy your correct the 90 Probe (1st gen) is not classified yet. I have the paper work and I am creating the car to send all the information to SCCA. I want to get this beast to the limits of weight reduction so that I may send that information in with my car information for classification.
Any ruling on the Rear Brakes.. I run good with drums just fine, but my B/f wants me to convert over is the rules allow it.
The car shown in the link of my signature is not the same car that I have today. But it looks kinda similar. Same body style but I have a slew of graphics on it. And my current car is a 5-speed and I have taken it to california speedway for test of its capabilities. I ran a 2:17 best time.
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Toodles,
Stacey_B AOL IM: SCCAStaceyIB 1990PGL SCCA STSL "Girls Do It Better" Cal Club T&S, BWRP,WS,Lag,Hallett www.scpoc.com : www.probetalk.com Racing is my life. Winner One Lap of America 2003- SSGT2 class 1996 Ford Probe GT.
[This message has been edited by Racy-Stacey (edited September 22, 2004).]
Stachy, what is a b/f?
If a model of the car on your line (same engine, etc) has discs you can use them.
So if they were only on turbo's, then no.
Since there is no listing in the ITCS for this car, there can't be another car on the spec line - so no go on the brakes.
FYI: It doesn't matter how low you can get in terms of weight - it isn't a quantification we would use to determine a minimum weight for the car (unless the car was a serious tweener like the overly-debated New Beetle) and this one looks to fit nicely into ITB.
APR67 - Guessing b/f means boyfirend...
AB
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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6 (ITA project)
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com
Yup B/f stands for Boyfriend.. I kept telling him its not going to fly, from reading the rules.. But ya know how guys are.. stretch the hell out of the rules til ya get caught... ok i'm generalizing..
I dont think I can do more to lightening the car beyond, what I said before. I guess its just going to be who is the better driver with the best techniques in the end.