Dick, how in the hell could you see thru that fogged up windshield?
http://the16v.com/SCCA/07/071507nhis...s/DSC_5965.jpg
ps- sorry to later run groups, after 3 hours standing in the rain I had had enough
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Dick, how in the hell could you see thru that fogged up windshield?
http://the16v.com/SCCA/07/071507nhis...s/DSC_5965.jpg
ps- sorry to later run groups, after 3 hours standing in the rain I had had enough
Let me be the first to congratulate Joe on his double wins this weekend! One in the dry and one in the wet. VERY nice!!!
Also, the ITA race in the wet today was awesome. I can't speak for everyone but up front the driving was really clean and tight. Thanks to Joe and Tim for the great race.
Congrats to Crazy Joe on his bookend wins. All I can say is you are putting a lot of Spnosorship pressurer on me. Now the questions are starting - Tim - how come we don't use Hankook and win $800.00 for the race weekend - you're killing me Joe. Seriously - Nice job Joe. :birra:
Jeff - Sorry about your result on Sat - You deserved the podium on Sat - Today I scaled at 2621 lbs - thank God I put the extra 2 gallons of gas in just before the race.
For myself - CPM Motorsports had a great weekend - tight clean racing with Richie H, Jeff L, Joe D. Andy B. Geoff B - Great racing guys - It is my pleasure to be sharing the track with you all.
I think we all need to keep watching Joe - The guy drives over the top - smacked the wall coming down the hill to T-10 (?) on Sat - never took his foot out of it - WOW - CRAAAAZZZZY! :blink: :blink: :blink:
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Dick, how in the hell could you see thru that fogged up windshield?
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Actually the bottom half stated quite good and I sit pretty low. This was the first time out for the new chassis. This car was a full rotisserie project built to see if you could get one of these down to weight. Stupid number of hours in this car. And yes I will paint it. Got two part sessions in on Friday, 3 laps in Saturday qualifying before they meatballed me for dumping fuel from the vent. Race was fair in Saturday but I was driving poorly plus the panhard rod loosened up and moved and we had to replace a tranny oil seal and a driveshaft after the race. Sunday morning qualifying was okay I ended up 13th and the 3rd rx7 (three separated by a tenth). Heck we were only 4 seconds behind Andy.
This was the first session where I did not have to fix anything. As the race approached it seemed that buying those new rain tires Friday was a good move. A big thanks to fellow rx7 racer Dave Faita whose car was not ready so was my loyal crew all weekend. They gave us two pace laps but I totally screwed up by missing the cut to Nascar 3&4 on the first on so I drove thru the chicane and stopped near pit in and put myself at the back of the longest line, 17th I think. This was the first time this weekend that I felt confident in the car. Dove to the left on the start and went by the wrong tire guys and kept passing cars. It was pretty frigging cool. Went to pass one car on the right going into 11 but could not get back in line so I had to pass 3 cars there. Thought I was hung out to dry but these guys gave me room and I can’t thank them enough. That is when I ended up on Anthony’s tail in the picture. 17th to maybe 7th in a lap or two. I had nothing for Anthony but could stay with him hoping for a mistake.
Eric in the blue Integra then reeled me in and we had some wild side by side clean racing for a couple of laps. That was the second time this weekend Eric really impressed me. Anthony obviously got away as a result and then Geoff Branscome disposed of me pretty easily. Spent the rest of the race in 9th until Richie tested the tire wall on the last lap and ended up 8th and 1st Rx7.
It was a really fun race and everyone I saw drove very well for the conditions.
Wow, what can I say in addition..........
What a blast!!!! And from what I saw, some VERY tight and VERY clean racing!!! (cough, cough, except for Tim a few times coming out of 6.......... :P ) What a great group of guys to run with. And I mean the WHOLE group, not just the guys I raced with directly.
I will get Joe's wall "brush" posted hopefully tonight. For those who didn't see it Saturday night when I played it over, and over, and over again, prepare to be amazed!!! :lol:
Now, I've known Joe for 6 years and he's had the nick name Crazy Joe from before I met him. We have raced door handle to door handle for the past two years, usually running within a tenth of each other. Not only did I get a great view of last year's big Memorial Day "Big Wreck", but I was involved in it as well. So I've seen Joe do some crazy sh*t.......... But this one takes the cake........ Nothing even comes close........ I'm still shaking my head this morning over it.......
Joe is the new stud, no doubt about it....... And i think I'm switching to Hankooks!!
I was a very disappointed with the out come of Saturday's race. But I can't complain about it, it's black and white, whether I was two pounds or 100 lbs under weight. I think they felt almost as bad penalizing me as I did getting penalized (OK, maybe not THAT bad). But they handled it with a great deal of compassion so I have no complaints about it. And when I look at it, it was one of the most fun races I've been in, so all I missed out on was an engraved mug!! Hey, after how many races can you have Richie come give you a bear hug in impound and say, "That was a freakin' BLAST!!" The top four guys finished within 3.8 seconds of each other!!!!
Anyone know what happened to Richie on Sunday??
I certainly like running at NHIS in the rain more than LRP!! Despite the huge friggen lakes. That was scarey on the first lap!! For the first half of Sunday's race i was trying to power through the one out of 10, but I got the sound board about half way through the race and had to crawl past Sound Control (right where the lake was) for the rest of the race. It got VERY hairy!!!
Congrats to Dick on the new car! Glad to see you back!
Hard luck award to Jake.......Unfortunately it seems to be a trend........Take your car to Kessler, he'll get to right!! ;)
Thanks again to the whole group for a great weekend!!
It was a fun race to watch!
Some good action.
Rich even splashed us at turn three when he went off on the last lap in front of the fence.
I want my own run group! ;-)
Nice job Joe - that's Awesome! Hankooks eh?
I am at work and very backed up so I can't post my race report, but lets just say the ITS/ITB race was Interesting...
B cars in front due to rain Qual and S cars mid-back of pack running through the field. I have never raced so hard for the first 4 laps in my short racing career.
Richie had a tough weekend and my Acura and his Civic swaped a little paint. OK somehow a bumper came off. I still don't know how, I need to look at my video tonight.
What? No pictures of the RX-7 Cup finally changing hands? I hope it is proudly displayed in the garage by now!Quote:
ended up 8th and 1st Rx7.
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Good job with the new car.
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Jeremy
The ITS race started a little rough (it's tough to get so many cars into that T1 chute) and the ITB race ended with a slice of controversy for sure. Official results did not show the correct winner. Not sure if it will get fixed.
Tim and Joe obliterated me at the start of the ITA race. No holding anyone off this time. Tim and I raced nose to tail for 3/4 of the race until I got by him in T3. Tried to haul in Joe but it wasn't going to happen as the race ended on time after 16 laps instead of going the scheduled 18.
Couldn't take advantage of Saturdays dry race when I found a box-o-neutrals headed down into T6 while leading by a good chunk...to finish first, you must first finish eh? Nuts!
Spare tranny in, pole on Sunday AM in the dry, and the rest is history. Richie had fast lap by a good amount, Joe out-drove all of us in the wet and the RIVER in T10 was INSANE!
Wait until you see Jeff video of Joe on the wall...unreal.
Okay Andy and Joe, I guess you weren't paying attention to the terms of potential sponsorship prior to
the weekend, so at least now I don't have to choose between you.
However - what great racing to watch! Congratulations to ALL of you! :happy204:
Official results showed the official winner.... Thats what they are. Official.
I did cross the start finish line in second place however something happened that made the officials put me in 1st place. I am not sure what happened. It was either a mistake or intentional and no one protested the provisional results (we were all packing up) within the 30 minutes required so they became final results. A little poetic justice for a unsportsmanlike ITS driver (70) and a little bit of a kamakazi dive in last turn from the person who did cross the start finish line first in ITB.
Being in the race I did not see this event. What happened?Quote:
Official results showed the official winner.... Thats what they are. Official.
I did cross the start finish line in second place however something happened that made the officials put me in 1st place. I am not sure what happened. It was either a mistake or intentional and no one protested the provisional results (we were all packing up) within the 30 minutes required so they became final results. A little poetic justice for a unsportsmanlike ITS driver (70) and a little bit of a kamakazi dive in last turn from the person who did cross the start finish line first in ITB.
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Beran, I don't know you personally and I have a lot of respect for your driving, but if there's one guy on this planet who is NOT unsportsmanlike it is Brian Bagnall, driver of ITS 70. I didn't witness the incident that upset you, but I guarantee you a lack of sportsmanship on Brian's part was NOT the root cause.Quote:
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A little poetic justice for a unsportsmanlike ITS driver (70) and a little bit of a kamakazi dive in last turn from the person who did cross the start finish line first in ITB.
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Steve U
05 ITS
Flatout Motorsports
A great weekend with the Lisa Gardner team! Our sponsor was not at the event, so the days were spent juggling car preparation and a very talkative 4 year old.
Saturday's race was a mixed bag. I was between the front pack and the back pack... driving alone most of the time. Great for my Mom who was watching from Turn 3... not too great for racing battles.
Sunday was quite different. The crew scrambled to get the rains on and a panic shock adjustment by the high-strung driver on grid kept the heart rate going.
The rain race was a blast!!! I did find it funny when Dick P. and "others" drove into the chicane during the pace lap... that is until I drove thru turn 10 at speed on the first lap. In hindsight I think Dick was getting a sneak peak into track conditions. He knew about the lake before most of us.
A great safe start and I felt comfortable with an RX7 behind me. That's ok... just an RX7... I'll pull away soon. But I didn't!!! Great driving by Dick P. - his car was handling well. Thankfully you and Eric got into it and I was able to pull away.
But then Geoff was catching up to me. He spent the last part of the race working on closing in on me. I have never concentrated so hard to hit all my marks and not make a mistake.
It was nice to get back into the car again.
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Dick, how in the hell could you see thru that fogged up windshield?
http://the16v.com/SCCA/07/071507nhis...s/DSC_5965.jpg
ps- sorry to later run groups, after 3 hours standing in the rain I had had enough
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Here is Dick's Secret:
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The trophy changing hands!
Nice job Dick!
Mike B
ITA #29
Now that is funny! Nice Job Dick!Quote:
The trophy changing hands!
Nice job Dick!
Mike B
ITA #29
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yea joe can keep his little beer stein. :P
and some people wonder why we think we are in the wrong class. :bash_1_:Quote:
A great safe start and I felt comfortable with an RX7 behind me. That's ok... just an RX7... I'll pull away soon. [/b]
Glad to hear that you got the RX7 on the track and it held up. I know how many hours you've spent on that darn thing.
Hopefully Gulick will get his car sorted out in time for Mid-O.
Jeff, how much were you underweight? It wasn't literally 2 lbs, was it?
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Official results showed the official winner.... Thats what they are. Official.
I did cross the start finish line in second place however something happened that made the officials put me in 1st place. I am not sure what happened. It was either a mistake or intentional and no one protested the provisional results (we were all packing up) within the 30 minutes required so they became final results. A little poetic justice for a unsportsmanlike ITS driver (70) and a little bit of a kamakazi dive in last turn from the person who did cross the start finish line first in ITB. [/b]
Some would say that the most unsportsman-like move of the weekend was when you walked up and accepted a 1st place trophy, Hoosier and VW contingency when you knew you hadn't won. Your conversation with the elder Carlson happened right in front of our pit area so I heard it all. I also find it ironic that the first words you had for Brian were "Hey, you cost me a race win" - then you seemingly collected your 'winnings' without protesting the results - officially or unofficially.
What happened was a mistake. We all know that. You crossed the electronic timing stripe first, but not the Finish line. The starter (and team) are supposed to log the finishing positions to have as a cross reference for any issues. Being G8, everyone was surely packing up but when you see an issue, you have to speak up. Just because it's official doesn't make it right. You COULD have - and still can, make it right. It may take a little work now, but what is right is right. By your logic, the 1:01 Joe D 'ran' in the Sat qualifier would have stood even though he went through T3 into T10. Instead, HE went and told them it was wrong. See how it's supposed to work?
As far as WHY you lost the race? It wasn't the #70 that created the issue in T12, it was the black ITB Volvo that created the issue. We watched the whole thing in real time. Will you be posting video if you have it? Did you drive your ass off only to be the victom of a lapped car in the last corner? Yes - but it wasn't the #70. Does it suck? You bet, but that's racing.
(on edit: this may be coming across as harsh, we all know we can see the same situation differently. I saw it from the outside, you saw it from your windshield. I am also tainted by the post-race/results issues when making my final judgements. To say that the #70 was unsportsmanlike is just wrong)
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Jeff, how much were you underweight? It wasn't literally 2 lbs, was it?
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Andy,
I'll post my point of view later tonight. But I'll give you a short version of what happened after the race.
Before you heard my conversation with Jim Carlson I had already spoken to Peter (Steward) when I went to collect my second place mug. I told Peter that I was not the winner and that the final results were wrong and what should I do. He told me that I could do nothing since they were just that. Final. I then did hear someone say that it was being looked into and that aggressive driving was being looked at. I left it at that and went to get results. I then was leaving with the results and Jim Carlson told me I had to do something about it. I told him I was not going to do anything. I do not think what I said was exactly right or fair. I should have said that I already spoke to Peter and he told me that I could not do anything.
If you believe that I can still give him the win then yes I will give him the win. I have told everyone that he crossed the finish line first. He did pull a very aggressive move and dove to the inside forcing me off the track. I still congratulated him on the win after the race and had no issue with the racing move. He wanted the win bad and he got it. Clearly T&S saw what happened and the guys on the front straight saw it. I did not have a transponder beep for my last lap so T&S and other officials involved must have either made a mistake or did what they wanted to do.
If I found out about it within the "provisional" time I would have told them Scott was the winner.
So yes my response to Jim was not a great one but he caught me a little off guard with his anger and threat of not respecting me. You and him did not realize or hear my conversation with Peter earlier.
congrats to joe. hopefully we can have some fun at the glen.
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Andy,
I'll post my point of view later tonight. But I'll give you a short version of what happened after the race.
Before you heard my conversation with Jim Carlson I had already spoken to Peter (Steward) when I went to collect my second place mug. I told Peter that I was not the winner and that the final results were wrong and what should I do. He told me that I could do nothing since they were just that. Final. I then did hear someone say that it was being looked into and that aggressive driving was being looked at. I left it at that and went to get results. I then was leaving with the results and Jim Carlson told me I had to do something about it. I told him I was not going to do anything. I do not think what I said was exactly right or fair. I should have said that I already spoke to Peter and he told me that I could not do anything.
If you believe that I can still give him the win then yes I will give him the win. I have told everyone that he crossed the finish line first. He did pull a very aggressive move and dove to the inside forcing me off the track. I still congratulated him on the win after the race and had no issue with the racing move. He wanted the win bad and he got it. Clearly T&S saw what happened and the guys on the front straight saw it. I did not have a transponder beep for my last lap so T&S and other officials involved must have either made a mistake or did what they wanted to do.
If I found out about it within the "provisional" time I would have told them Scott was the winner.
So yes my response to Jim was not a great one but he caught me a little off guard with his anger and threat of not respecting me. You and him did not realize or hear my conversation with Peter earlier.
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Props for responding. If it were me, I would get it corrected. They can change what they know to be true and you are the key to that. Understand too that I did hear a lot of that conversation including the portion about the money.
As far as your T&S and Finish judges comment, I believe you are wrong. T&S can not see the finish line and the Starter can not see who enters T12 first. 999 times out of 1000, the leader into T12 gets to the S/F line first. They do rely on the drivers to correct them if something is wrong. Same thing at Pocono.
I watched first hand the 'move' into 11/12. When the black Volvo backed Brian up in the corner, you backed out - leaving the apex WIDE open for Scott. He took it. The speed was very slow due to pace of the lapped Volvo. Scott got sideways as he tried to apply power - did he hit you? It didn't look like it but I couldn't see inbetween the cars obviously.
Bottom line, do what you think is right. Nothing is written in stone. Aside from a couple mugs and a few wooden astrays, repsect is all we have in this stupid, money-burning sport we love. I know you a little through Tom, you are a good guy and we can wait to get it sorted out.
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As you know, the transponder loop is in NASCAR turn 4, so the Starters (who are doing a lap chart for their own use) stop doing their chart on the very last lap and do a "Timing tape" of the order that the cars cross the Start/Finish line. Actually, we have three or for different people watching to make sure we don't miss anything. This is then passed to T/S and used to correct any changes due to passes that occurred between T/S and the S/F line.
We call the stewards in "Control" on our radio and report any passes that happen between the timing loop and S/F. That is exactly what I did in this case. We cannot call Timing directly because they are on a different radio network so we have to relay this information via the stewards. Normally it is "no changes" or occasionally one or two passes so it is easy to do.
After that, it is up to the stewards to pass the info to Timing, and it is up to timing to adjust the results on the computer to reflect reality. One of those two things failed to happen.
From memory (I don't have the paperwork here) it was 70, 55, 87, and 68. The cars may not have been on the same lap or in the same class, but we do not care, Timing knows that and gets it right (normally). 16 also got past 3, but it didn't impact the results. All the other cars crossed the S/F line in the same order they crossed the timing loop.
Please believe me in that this WILL be a serious topic for discussion at the next Regional Comp Board meeting which happens to be this Friday. Please attend if you want to say anything about this. (Or send an e-mail to Serge to express your opinion.) It's lucky that it is Friday as it is fresh in everyones mind. The same type of problem happened during the GT1 race on Saturday, but as I wasn't there, I cannot speak to what happened in that case. (I was actually in Timing working on a different computer problem for them during that race.)
Hello all. I would like to say that I really like what I read in this site. Even though there are differences of opinions, its great to see that for the most part, things are kept civilized.
The race at NHIS this past weekend was tremendous fun. I was definitely the slowest car out there in ITA, but I am working on it. The Laser is very heavy, down on power, and frankly, I need to grow a much larger set. I think removing the child car seat and 2 bags of groceries will help in the weight department.
I would also like to thank everyone for allowing me to go home with a fully intact rear bumper. As I said, I am slow right now, but I tried my hardest to watch my mirrors, and be safe and courteous to the faster cars....which means everybody..... including the stewards in golf carts (but I think my car looks cooler than their rides though!)
Either way, I enjoyed the track time with all of you, and I look forward to gaining speed and joining the mayhem in the pack soon. Cheers!
Eric Maynard
ITA Plymouth Laser
Eric, it is good to have you back. You were real heads up when I saw you.
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Hello all. I would like to say that I really like what I read in this site. Even though there are differences of opinions, its great to see that for the most part, things are kept civilized.
The race at NHIS this past weekend was tremendous fun. I was definitely the slowest car out there in ITA, but I am working on it. The Laser is very heavy, down on power, and frankly, I need to grow a much larger set. I think removing the child car seat and 2 bags of groceries will help in the weight department.
I would also like to thank everyone for allowing me to go home with a fully intact rear bumper. As I said, I am slow right now, but I tried my hardest to watch my mirrors, and be safe and courteous to the faster cars....which means everybody..... including the stewards in golf carts (but I think my car looks cooler than their rides though!)
Either way, I enjoyed the track time with all of you, and I look forward to gaining speed and joining the mayhem in the pack soon. Cheers!
Eric Maynard
ITA Plymouth Laser
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It's about time you spoke up!! :D
Hey, it doesn't matter if your car is slow, it's still cool AND has a clean engine!! <insert laser sound here>
I agree with Dick, from my perspective you were heads up the whole weekend. Keep picking away at the car and it will get there!! Hey, if a POS Nissan can win, anybody has a chance!!
And for the moment we've all been waiting for, here is Crazy Joe hitting the turn ten wall. AND, to top it all off, Richie and Joe drove like this the WHOLE race!! :blink:
You can see me (or hear me) backing off cause he scared the sh*t out of me!! It was the "shock and awe" technique to keep me behind him!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ZkVQs-TYo
The difference between the two is that in this case T&S was alerted to the error BEFORE the final Q sheet was posted and, hence, it could be fixed.Quote:
By your logic, the 1:01 Joe D 'ran' in the Sat qualifier would have stood even though he went through T3 into T10. Instead, HE went and told them it was wrong. See how it's supposed to work?
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For the Sunday race, it looks like the problem with the results was not noticed until AFTER the final results were posted. Final is final.
This is another case of there being a communications error, as the flaggers tell control that someone took the shortcut and then the stewards are supposed to call T&S to let them know. I suspect the first happened, but don't know where the error was introduced.
Your assumption being that neither of the two saw provisionals. I doubt it, especially given the events surrounding the finish.Quote:
The difference between the two is that in this case T&S was alerted to the error BEFORE the final Q sheet was posted and, hence, it could be fixed.
For the Sunday race, it looks like the problem with the results was not noticed until AFTER the final results were posted. Final is final.
This is another case of there being a communications error, as the flaggers tell control that someone took the shortcut and then the stewards are supposed to call T&S to let them know. I suspect the first happened, but don't know where the error was introduced.
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(On edit - there were many interested parties and I find it hard to believe nobody saw it. I am not accusing any single person of wrong-doing)
I did not see them since I was packing for more than an hour. 4 kids two cars and one 32 foot trailer is tons of stuff... including the camping stuff etc.
Nice job Dick---- dave
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Your assumption being that neither of the two saw provisionals. I doubt it, especially given the events surrounding the finish.
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No, my assumption is that nothing was said to an official before the results became final. I have no direct proof if the provisionals were seen by any of the interested parties before that time, including you, since you seem to be quite interested. If something had been said I fully expect it would have been fixed.
Saturday: Comments made to officials (including your comments when you walked into T&S to point out the error) before the Q results were final. I know this to be a fact, as I was standing in T&S when you came in to talk about the error. And, since you came in about 30 seconds before the Q results were to be made final, the 1:01 would have stood as a Q time if YOU had not said something. The driver came in AFTER the 30 minute window to "fess up", but the new provisional Q sheet was already done and posted. (And the clock was "reset".)
Sunday: Comments made to officials after the Race results were final. And, it happens that I was standing right there as well.
Are we going to see you at the Comp Board meeting this Friday?
Do you have a solution to the problem, whatever it is, as I don't think anyone knows the exact chain of events that caused the mistakes, yet.
Dave,
In order to know what the mistake was, if any, we need to know the procedure.
- When Start/Finish records such a chain of events, does it get proactively reported to T&S for an audit/correction?
- Do we just rely on drivers to self-police the results 100%?
- As drivers, we sit in post-race impund for what - 20 minutes, then have to get back to pits and then get changed and get a drink. Not a lot of fudge time in there for the review of provisionals but it is our job to get over there. We should all learn that anything could happen and a review of the results before they go final is always a must or else you could be SOL.
So I ask you - what SHOULD have happened? Should the information S/F recorded have been proactively transferred to T&S for a correction? What happens when the finish is so close that the drivers DON'T know who wins? If it's not current procedure to audit the S/F records against the T&S loop, it should be. If it is, someone dropped the ball, no?
And please, stop with the 'attend the meeting' stuff. Plenty of us do tons for the club, we certainly can learn and hash this out on this BB. If I decide I would like to make a recomendation to change policy, I most certainly will show up.
About a dozen replies back, I posted what happens.Quote:
- When Start/Finish records such a chain of events, does it get proactively reported to T&S for an audit/correction?[/b]
As I said before, yes, it does.
No, but drivers may know things that T&S doesn't know, like the part about the Q times being wrong. T&S will accept almost any input showing a clear error.Quote:
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If anyone had gone to T&S about the race results, I hope that as a minimum, the results would be put on hold until it could be investigated or a proper protest filed.
Been there, done that, and that is why I always asked one person on my crew to look at the provisional results.Quote:
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Also, the clock doesn't start until the results are actually posted in the normal place. That means if it takes T&S 10 or 15 minutes to get the provisionals posted, then you actually have about 45 minutes from when the last car took the checkered.
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Why would it take so long? Because T&S uses a computer to do the brunt of the work, but there is also a manual lap chart created from at least 3 different sources. These are checked against each other after the race, and if there are no problems, then required copies are made of the provisional results, and those are posted. Then the 30 minute clock starts.</blockquote>
As I said before, it automatically is done. Or, the message of "No changes" is passed, which is the normal case.Quote:
So I ask you - what SHOULD have happened? Should the information S/F recorded have been proactively transferred to T&S for a correction?[/b]
Then they should make sure they have someone look at the provisional results as soon as they can.Quote:
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And the ball bounced a few times. But, as I said, I don't know if it was a "someone", or a chain of events involving multiple people. (Note diligent attempt to avoid finger pointing as I don't have all the facts.)Quote:
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We are not going to "hash this out" here, because most of the people involved don't read this BB. 90% of them will be at the meeting, however.Quote:
And please, stop with the 'attend the meeting' stuff. Plenty of us do tons for the club, we certainly can learn and hash this out on this BB.
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I'm not saying you should be going to all the meetings, but it seems that you have a huge interest in this one topic, and as it will be talked about, you should express your views. If you don't want to go, then at least send an e-mail to Serge.
If you are unwilling to provide input that helps to solve a perceived problem then you shouldn't complain about the results.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you on all the congrats.
It really feels great to win one of these things.
Like Jeff said in an earlier post. It is AWESOME racing with you guys. And we have fun too.
And yes Jeff the "shock and awe" is going to be my new tactic. :)
I knew I should have just rebuilt my old Prelude with Bondo and continued to be more like Joe!
hey, I love Joe as much as the next guy... (well, maybe not as much as every next guy, but...well, anyway....)
..........but as much as we all love him, ....do we really want TWO of him?? ;)
As I said at the track, impressive weekend Joe.
Hey the new car looks great. Keep it that way. I just need to get through the rest of the season and my baby will be all new by the first race of next year.Quote:
I knew I should have just rebuilt my old Prelude with Bondo and continued to be more like Joe!
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I love you too Jake. Maybe we could watch Steel Magnolias sometime like me an dJeff did at the redroof over the weekend :DQuote:
hey, I love Joe as much as the next guy... (well, maybe not as much as every next guy, but...well, anyway....)
..........but as much as we all love him, ....do we really want TWO of him?? ;)
As I said at the track, impressive weekend Joe.
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Thank you sir. I am looking forward to racing you in the rain. :)