Start of Sunday's ITA race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeQvFKcDzk0&eurl=
How much horsepower does a Moser have?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-e_VFiwxQ
More than a Marhefka:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZb9ql6lFrk
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Start of Sunday's ITA race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeQvFKcDzk0&eurl=
How much horsepower does a Moser have?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-e_VFiwxQ
More than a Marhefka:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZb9ql6lFrk
Start of Sat's ITA race. Yes, it was not very good for me but it has a special appearance by Chris "fuel leak" Childs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwOkG-vVswQ
How crazy is Crazy Joe? and why do Nissan's have to sound like tractors?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJklBqRu3WQ
(yes, he saved it)
Flame me if I'm wrong, but that looks to me like exit speed, not HP. You matched him from T1 through the entry of the keyhole. It was at the entry of the turn that he pulled away, and he had a much higher exit speed than you. That speed differential was maintained through the entire back straight. Very clear illustration of the importance of corner exit speed. But, oh he is faaast.Quote:
It's both HP & corner speed (see Marhefka video I just added for comparison).
Awesome footage! Sorry about the Fuel :unsure:
It's nearly 100% cornering speed, I don't gain on you from T1 to Keyhole... It COULD be the 10+ MPH I have on you from start of Keyhole to the exit of Keyhole. I know it's always easiest to assume that the faster car has the most HP though, rather than setup and driving! <_<Quote:
Start of Sunday's ITA race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeQvFKcDzk0&eurl=
How much horsepower does a Moser have?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-e_VFiwxQ
More than a Marhefka:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZb9ql6lFrk
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I should have my video posted soon, including the wonderful mis-shift at the start of Sunday's race! :bash_1_:
I don't doubt the cornering advantage of 400lbs less weight but I'd be willing to bet your pretty close to the same engine output as me (without the weight). Care to post a dyno graph and put the speculation to rest? :DQuote:
It's nearly 100% cornering speed, I don't gain on you from T1 to Keyhole... [/b]
Edit: Regardless you still drive very well. I'm just jealous.
we see the same thing.Quote:
Flame me if I'm wrong, but that looks to me like exit speed, not HP.
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Jeremy - What tires were you on? Boy they were screaming an awful lot!
I was enlightned this weekend. I saw the light!
The back straight @ Mid Ohio is loooong, and so exit of the key hole is paramount! I had the oppurtunity to dice with a few guys, I could keep ahead of them on most laps, sometimes they were right there, sometimes they got the drive. And Visa Versa when I was behind someone.
Then comes the larger than life heroes that we all want to be....
I thought for sure that they would blow by me on the straight, but no! Being lap traffic, and my race, all but decided, I decided to give them the turn.
No, I believe instead of trying the next go fast goody, I'm going to rummage thru the closet and look for that big set of kahoonas I once had.
What speculation? YOUR speculation? Speculation of what? That we have similar HP/Weight? Shouldn't that be the case? The Integra is a GREAT handling car. I know, I raced an Integra for a full year, and it was possibly the smoothest, most stable FWD race car I've ever driven. The CRX scares the $hit out of me every time I leave pit lane! It's my favorite car, and definitely rewards you if you care to let it hang out a bit, but it is by no means a HP car! (kind of funny actually to be called out on this, have you ever seen us at Atlanta?)Quote:
I don't doubt the cornering advantage of 400lbs less weight but I'd be willing to bet your pretty close to the same engine output as me (without the weight). Care to post a dyno graph and put the speculation to rest? :D
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=XoGGTZ-UoCk
Talk to Ruck, Muresan, Evan, Jan Rief, Serra... Integras are just as strong in handling as the CRX, depending on the course/turn. Its give and take, the CRX has ZERO advantage in high speed sweepers, but does wonderful in tight turns, entering straights. We set our cars up to be very loose in T1-type corners, which benefits in Keyhole and Carousel (it's a game of trade-offs and prep).
Anyways, not sure why I feel like I need to defend anything, I had an amazing weekend hanging with all you Northeast guys! AJ, damn, Saturday night was hilarious! Kevin, thank your dad for all the drinks (I think I know his strategy... AJ and I didn't look to good Sunday morning!!). Greg, round 2 at Atlanta will be a blast, hope you get the tranny back together and give me something to chase again at a track that suits your ride a little better!
I'm starting to think that "Cat Killer" is going to give a good run at the ARRC this year, his car isn't too different from the Egg in power, and he is working hard at handling, could be fun (dark horse...cough, cough)
Kevin, get your car back together, welded up tight, and lets get that Great Lakes thing going at the ARRC again. Jan, that goes for you too, take Kevin's advice and stop breaking axles!
I'll post the videos soon (once I get this damn computer to work a little better)!
Joe,
I just reread the post, so it was a mis-shift that caused the slow train I was on at the start?!?
Not that it mattered much, but I wondered why this yellow rock was in the middle of the race track.
Yeah, I'm really sorry if I messed up anybody in the start! I know I really screwed up my car and my dad's car (he got into me REALLY hard, there was no escaping it), and I clipped Marhefka's car after the hit. We're taking it to the frame puller this week...Quote:
Joe,
I just reread the post, so it was a mis-shift that caused the slow train I was on at the start?!?
Not that it mattered much, but I wondered why this yellow rock was in the middle of the race track.
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Not sure if I'm having brain-fades or issues with my synchro's, but that was the third mis-shift of the weekend!
I went to my my parents house for dinner and race video review tonight and found a plastic chair and a stock CRX gear box sitting in the garage with the instructions to complete 1000 two to three shifts before I enter the house! Damn it :rolleyes:
Joe, not trying to call you out on anything. You have a very well prepped and well driven car. Like I said, I'm just jealous; but now your really do have me curious on what the power output is... email or PM me if you don't want to post it (I'll keep it to myself).
I could totally see Bob doing that. :lol:Quote:
I went to my my parents house for dinner and race video review tonight and found a plastic chair and a stock CRX gear box sitting in the garage with the instructions to complete 1000 two to three shifts before I enter the house! Damn it :rolleyes:
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Joe - congrats again to you and your Dad on last weekend. "The Iceman" just might be back with a vengence. :o You guys are always, 100% of the time awesome to race against and awesome to hang out with. Having probably more wheel to wheel laps with you guys than just about anyone else out there, I know your cars pretty well and you hit the nail on the head. You guys handle like nobody's business in that tight stuff. At Mid Ohio, being that the keyhole and carousel lead onto the longest straights, it just fits your cars so well and you two drive the piss out of it. I've been trying for years to get anywhere close to you guys through those corners, but seem to be going backwards more than anything lately. Maybe one day. But come on dude, a 1:42.9? How the hell am I supposed to match that?! I haven't even run in the 1:44's yet this year! :P
Kooks. My first time on them, they do talk more than I'm used to.Quote:
Jeremy - What tires were you on? Boy they were screaming an awful lot!
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How long does it take to catch a Lame Duck Amy (no 3rd gear):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fASxnSnNnDo
Exactly. When Huffmaster lapped me in the keyhole, I hung on his bumper all the way to T7, then he was gone. He's 5 seconds faster than me. Told him the next morning that he had helped me find my big problem - "it's them pesky turns!".Quote:
I was enlightned this weekend. I saw the light!
The back straight @ Mid Ohio is loooong, and so exit of the key hole is paramount! I had the oppurtunity to dice with a few guys, I could keep ahead of them on most laps, sometimes they were right there, sometimes they got the drive. And Visa Versa when I was behind someone.
Then comes the larger than life heroes that we all want to be....
I thought for sure that they would blow by me on the straight, but no! Being lap traffic, and my race, all but decided, I decided to give them the turn.
No, I believe instead of trying the next go fast goody, I'm going to rummage thru the closet and look for that big set of kahoonas I once had. [/b]
Sat PM - Getting Childs back, perhaps because he's now starving for fuel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d9k48FtA5M
Sun PM - Revenge of Childs. If only I had known it was the last lap and what's with the fuel again!! What you can't see is we've been nose to tail for the last 15 minutes or so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIWftOl3pWk
Anybody still not planning on doing this event next year? :dead_horse:
No problem anytime. ;) It was nice to see the FAST cars from up close on sundays start. My goal was to try and get a great start and lead the first lap. Came really close. 2nd by the end of the first lap. I then knew it was pointless to hold you guys up after that. That's why when you ,your dad, and AAJH wanted by I didn't even contest. I'll get some video up soon.Quote:
Yeah, I'm really sorry if I messed up anybody in the start! [/b]
You are soooo right. Watch my video on the start of the last race. Watch me out pull both Mosers on the straights..........then watch them blow past me like i'm standing still going into the corners!!!!! I wish I could have had an opportunity to watch them more. Incredible cars, incredible drivers!! Hats off!!Quote:
Flame me if I'm wrong, but that looks to me like exit speed, not HP. You matched him from T1 through the entry of the keyhole. It was at the entry of the turn that he pulled away, and he had a much higher exit speed than you. That speed differential was maintained through the entire back straight. Very clear illustration of the importance of corner exit speed. But, oh he is faaast.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bFqgj1M0U
All the tires were doing it. I think it was the fresh paving.Quote:
Jeremy - What tires were you on? Boy they were screaming an awful lot!
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Yes, Chris Childs can pedal that Neon. Great job to the AMIT (American Made IT) Champ. (Chris, send me your mailing address to jlawton at ECHN.ORG) After watching him, I now think the Neon has great potential!!
I'll try to get the video of Crazy Joe going off coming out of turn one and going for a ride in the grass, taking a huge jump over the access road while keeping his foot to the floor the whole time posted tonight.......
Same here, Chris - just PM me here!Quote:
You are soooo right. Watch my video on the start of the last race. Watch me out pull both Mosers on the straights..........then watch them blow past me like i'm standing still going into the corners!!!!! I wish I could have had an opportunity to watch them more. Incredible cars, incredible drivers!! Hats off!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bFqgj1M0U
All the tires were doing it. I think it was the fresh paving.
Yes, Chris Childs can pedal that Neon. Great job to the AMIT (American Made IT) Champ. (Chris, send me your mailing address to jlawton at ECHN.ORG) After watching him, I now think the Neon has great potential!!
I'll try to get the video of Crazy Joe going off coming out of turn one and going for a ride in the grass, taking a huge jump over the access road while keeping his foot to the floor the whole time posted tonight.......
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If you guys think that I am going to let you pay me, you are crazier than Joe :D What I would propose is that we all help pay for a trophy for next years winner. Now if that means that I handle the $ and get it done then that is fine. I just wouldn't feel right taking the $. It was a pleasure racing with you guys this last weekend and that was enough reward for me. We may be able to start a cool tradition of passing a trophy on to the next years participants? Thoughts?
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If you guys think that I am going to let you pay me, you are crazier than Joe :D What I would propose is that we all help pay for a trophy for next years winner. Now if that means that I handle the $ and get it done then that is fine. I just wouldn't feel right taking the $. It was a pleasure racing with you guys this last weekend and that was enough reward for me. We may be able to start a cool tradition of passing a trophy on to the next years participants? Thoughts?
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It's not the money! It could be .25 cents!!! It's the pain of having to admit ya got beat!!! :lol:
when are you coming back to Lime Rock?? ;)
I like your new tag. That's funny. Both Greg and Joe were chirping about how they were the first non-CRX car to finish. Anybody have a CRX shell they're looking to get rid of??
Speaking of trophies, what did the final ones look like? You know, for those of us who weren't lucky enough to get one. :(
I never even saw Brian's for finishing third in ITS.
The very first time I saw the video, I thought "He murdered him through the middle and out of that corner".Quote:
we see the same thing.
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I'll have to get around to posting a snap of my trophy... so, what's up with Group 2, no vids, was Group 1 the only one to have cameras???
I've got plenty of good stuff, just have to find time to edit it, hopefully get some highlights up tonight...
Here's a bit of a cross-post, but what the heck. :D
At false grid, I wasn't able to get the video system working and handed it off to my wife. She decided to tape a few short segments while watching from a few various spots around the track. What are the odds that she caught this one?
The Sat. race race was going great and I got into a nice rhythm. I built up a decent lead, but made a silly mistake while trying to find the limits through the chicane.
Ooops Video (pretty quick)
At this point I was pretty pissed and told myself that I was not going to lose this race because of that one mistake. After a couple of laps, the BMW lost the back end a bit and I was able to put some room between us. Phew!
We should have some from Brian's Prelude but I haven't got my hands on the camera that holds both his and my in-car yet. His video from Sunday mornings race should be awesome.Quote:
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I watched the ITA race from the mound at the keyhole, (after a car issue that took me out) and I was behind Joey for a bit around the backside of the track, and I have to say, those CRX are:
A: Agile
B: Have HUGE cornering speed in the tighter corners
C: Are driven well.
I could see his front wheels in the back section corners go through 30 degrees of correction...he's driving that car.
That said, its a very light car, so it SHOULD be all of the above.
It was VERY obvious that the car FLIES thu the keyhole. I'd love to see the data aq on the speeds and cornering Gs on that car in the keyhole vs other cars. When you can see it with your eyes, you know it's significant.
I'll try to get some mid-pack ITS video up later this week.Quote:
I'll have to get around to posting a snap of my trophy... so, what's up with Group 2, no vids, was Group 1 the only one to have cameras???[/b]
Hey, there's my car!Quote:
The Sat. race race was going great and I got into a nice rhythm. I built up a decent lead, but made a silly mistake while trying to find the limits through the chicane.
Ooops Video (pretty quick)
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...sitting by the port-a-potty at the turn station! :mad1:
Nice video! I got to watch it first-hand up close... and of course was frustrated myself, thinking "if only I were still sitting on Dave's back bumper..."
Next time, buddy! :023:
Videos uploading now, available soon at http://www.kakashiracing.com/reports/2007itfest.html
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when are you coming back to Lime Rock?? ;)
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Not sure, I might go to The Glen next month?
My ITB/Group 2 vids are coming online now, on my Youtube acct...
http://youtube.com/user/924RACR
Wow, I really had a bad start on Sunday! I've got the video up on Youtube finally...
Sunday Race - ITA #63 - Mis-Shift at Start
I HATE watching it, but thought maybe you guys would want to see it! :rolleyes:
After I shook off the bad start, I had a good time running with everyone! What a great event! Now I'm really excited for the ARRC this year :D Also, I wanted to thank all the ITA guys for not destroying my car, everyone was incredibly heads-up!
^^^ That is the first time I have ever seen any of your in-car from Mid Ohio and I kind of want to vomit a little bit. You never have to wait for the car to do something, ever. Passing around the outside of the keyhole? Are you freaking kidding me? It kind of makes me want a CRX....but then I see how much you're sawing on the wheel every lap. :lol:
I also like how baller it makes Ian look. He never hit the brakes! Ever! :o
all that sawing on the wheel must be from all the torque steer and the monster power they have!!
seriously, awesome drive. lee and i were watching from the end of the back straight and it was really fun to watch you coming back up through the field. and then running lock step with your dad for the checker.
we had no idea what happened on the start but there is plenty of video to see now.
you guys have those cars dialed in! you have some incredible cornering speeds. on saturday we watched at the carousel and were amazed at where you guys were able to get back on the thottle.
Dear SCCA:
Please add 300# to the #63 Honda CRX at Mid-O. All the ITA competitors would greatly appreciate it. :D
Thanks
I too am like Kevin a little bit ill. One word for the car and performance of the driver AWESOME!!
Great drive Joe!
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Wow, I really had a bad start on Sunday! I've got the video up on Youtube finally...
Sunday Race - ITA #63 - Mis-Shift at Start
I HATE watching it, but thought maybe you guys would want to see it! :rolleyes:
After I shook off the bad start, I had a good time running with everyone! What a great event! Now I'm really excited for the ARRC this year :D Also, I wanted to thank all the ITA guys for not destroying my car, everyone was incredibly heads-up!
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Wow............wow............
I hate video like that of me from behind.........I realize how much I suck! Hope I wasn't too much of a PITA.
You had to have been bummin' to see all those cars streaming by you.........
As promised, here is Crazy Joe going wide out of 1. It's hard to see, but watch when he hits the access road. He gets all four in the air.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kpDuYGXHOs
I know this is all new to most of you, but we see this from Joe every race!!