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I do find it interesting that people think the new ECU rule will cost people more money. Those who are going to spend money to go fast have likely already gone out and spend considerable funds on a custom ECU that would work with the stock harness and case. For reference, it cost us over $10,000 for a customized unit that didn't really give us comlete control over all the functions we really wanted. Dyno time was considerable especially as the first few units weren't correct and motors either wouldn't start or wouldn't run. But it was the only game in town within the rules. We aren't alone, many had to do the same thing if they weren't willing to run the stock unit. Now there is a far wider range of units available, and for 1/10th to 1/5th the price, including dyno time. It cost money to have a chance of running at the front, this rule actually makes it possible for others to catch up at far less expense than others incurred previously.
Travis, years ago we dyno tested 5 different motors. All gave the same overall result: if the "standard" ignition system was optomized and functioning properly, there was no real gain (anything less than 2% generally is considered no gain as it often can't be repeated from one dyno session to the next, even with a computerized dyno such as the Superflow 901 we used). Our experience is that it's easier to live with because it's more reliable. But as a matter of real power gain, not if your current parts are correct and you've tuned it as well as possible (only possible to do this on a dyno in my opinion).
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Sorry Chris but lets face facts here. The cat was brought into prod as a spec car and the ECU was supposed to be part of those control specs. The fact that you chose to spend 10k working on was your choice in the type of car you chose. I have lots of experience with aftermarket systems and I can tell you 10k will be the small end of thepool when people really start blowing shit up. LIMITS LIMITS,,,,Just like the stupid control arm rules in Prod. Every time we increase the LIMITS we increase the cost of doing business and that will never change. The fact is that with the fastrack no longer in the shitty magazine 3/4 of this club will be blindsided by this whole deal and that is a shame.
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That's not what the letters said. The ITAC asked about three options: 1) leave things alone; 2) try to put the genie back in the bottle; 3) open things up. I think there was only one letter that picked option 1, and a great majority picked option 3.
You might be comfortable with the current rule, but don't put words in other member's mouths.
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Josh, How many letters did you get? Total number?
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Devils advocate hat on...
Performance increase-wise.............
With Motec installations being quoted at $10,000.00, what does the buyer get?
With a Wolf installation, costing, say, $2,500, what does a buyer get?
With a Bosch ECU that costs $15,000 plus installation and tuning, what does a buyer get?
In other words, is there a linear ratio? Is a $2500 system only going to deliver 25% of the return of a $10,000 system?
Regarding input-
People spoke of this rule allowing them to come closer to those who could fit the $10K solution...and they were fine with the fact that they would not equal that system. Input indicated that the freedom to chose the level of performance that suited their time and financial concerns was important to them.
I don't think anybody thinks that a Megasquirt is going to outrun a Motec.
But people did have issues that there were cars out there running Motecs AND Megasquirts, but many were excluded due to verbiage.
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All of this coming from a guy with zero direct experience......I see a lot of I don't thinks in your statments Jake but the fact is you don't know.