Holy hell was that fun.
W
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Holy hell was that fun.
W
I agree! We had a blast! Time to rip the car all apart and rebuild it for our first race in 4 weeks time! :-)
What a great event - 12 hours of racing with an 18.327 second margin of victory. Great race, good weather and a new overall lap record of 442 laps (994.5 miles).
The Jersey Racing Board would like to thank all of the teams who participated in this year's race. We enjoyed putting it on and hope that you enjoyed it as well.
Race Results
E1
1. Elgin Racing Boss 302R - 442 laps
2. Johnstone Supply Racing BMW M3 - 442 laps
3. STR BMW M3 - 422 laps
E2
1. Yushino / RST Performance Mazda RX8 - 417 laps
2. Team Troxel BMW 325is - 411 laps
3. Miskoe Motorsports Mazda Miata - 408 laps
E3
1. Dewspeed Mazda Miata - 413 laps
2. Flatout Motorsports - Mazda Miata - 408 laps
3. Flatout Motorsports - Mazda Miata - 405 laps
E4
1. Main Line Overland / Henwood Motorsports - 408 laps
2. Entropy Racing Sports R - 405 laps
3. Entropy Racing Sports R - 403 laps
E5
WCTF Racing / Frisky Dingo Honda Civic - 383 laps
Maximum Attach Motorsports VW Golf - 375 laps
Complete results should be available on the NEDiv website
We had positive comments and close, competitive racing in all five of our endurance classes. We invite comments on its structure and future use.
Mark your calendars for 25 April 2015
Terry
Terry, great event! We had a blast! Despite our plan to run a car in E1, had problems with that car and moved to a car that was the slowest out there! :) You gotta hand it to the two Lemons cars. Both finished the full 12 hours with NO problems!! Out of 51 cars we ended up 28th over all. Hats off to the Blethens. They had to pit every hour for fuel and still managed an imressive win
I was really wondering why the winning Mustang was still pulling off such risky passes after 11 hours, 45 minutes. I didnt realize that second was that close behind. I was also impressed with the hot pulls the track did to keep things running. Just a few FCY and when we did have them, only lasted a couple of laps.
Only feed back I have was on the registration process on Friday............. but I'm guessing you already knew that! LOL
In terms of feedback, I REALLY prefer - and i think my teammates would have enjoyed - the 10-to-10 schedule rather than noon-to-midnight. I know the event sets itself apart with the night racing but it's rough on crews, and more importantly I think it REALLY imposes on workers. FWIW.
K
I agree with Kirk. The 12 hour at Summit ran from 12 to 12, and 11 to 11. Workers asked for less night time and the BOD changed it to 9 to 9. Drivers balked and didn't enter since they wanted more night driving than a 9 PM in June. The BOD then decided that endurance racing was dying due to lack of entries and pulled the plug. The good folks in NJ picked up the event and the rest is good history. Perhaps a poll of workers and drivers can reach a consensus on the best start/stop time. But my vote is 10 to 10.
Chuck
Cool updates - way to go RST!
Thanks Ben! Turning low 34's on street tires after 7 hours with no 5th or 6th gear was my highlight! (Eventhough I wasn't driving). 4th overall was pretty darn cool to!
Feedback:
Well you already know that we waisted hours of moving stuff for the no parking area that wasn't in the supps.
You also know about having pace car rules in the supps or we will file a protest against the stewards.
And Ya as mentioned this is the second year in a row that registration was a complete disaster. Tech opens at 10am but registration opens at 11 1hr before testing starts for hundreds if not a thousand people. I recommend thursday night registration and 8am registration at the latest friday am.
Personally I like the noon to midnight but Ya I get the no party thing that late...
I also agree with the motorcycle thoughts but I think we are supposed to be out and would be surprised if terry doesn't here from the track about several teams still around at 11.
Stephen
Just reread my post and I don't want to sound to negative. Everything was handled professionally and dealt with immediately. Even the registration line they tried to make better immediately which credit has to be given to these organizers for trying even if things went wrong.
Stephen
How many hours of night driving happen between the two events if in NJ it were 10 to 10? A few variables impact this including time of year.Quote:
Drivers balked and didn't enter since they wanted more night driving than a 9 PM in June.
Dave / Greg
Lights are required to be on at 7:45 PM. It is basically dark from 8:00 PM to midnight.Quote:
How many hours of night driving happen between the two events if in NJ it were 10 to 10? A few variables impact this including time of year.
Terry
Great event, as always. Good class win and overall finish for the Blethens, they've worked hard to get there.
Dark/light - well less dark driving makes it less enduro-ish, but I understand the needs that drive an earlier start/stop time.
Will the results (and all the individual laps) get posted on Mylaps? I've looked but not seen them as of yet.
Check the supps. Generally, enduros do not honor lap records because the various configs of the car cannot be verified through the event (e.g., remove all weight, toss on non-compliant go-fast equipment, come back into compliance for end of race...)
I know I've seen that before, but checked the supps twice and didn't find it. Makes sense that those times aren't allowed for track records.
Would be incentive to come back to a JRB event this season! It would be great to have a couple LCC cars out there.
So how often do you think that happens in a race like this? We were speculating about the speed of the SM cars vrs our ITS Miata. On more than one occasion we've been nose to tail w/ no discernable difference in speed at the exit of the last corner and we get pulled to turn 1. We're running a car w/ header, intake, compression bump, lighter weight and no restrictor and an SM car can have legs on us. Seems suspect. Knowing how easy it is pull the restrictor it has often made me wonder if this gets done during these races.Quote:
(e.g., remove all weight, toss on non-compliant go-fast equipment, come back into compliance for end of race...)
Will
Page 7 / G E N E R A L / 1. TIMING & SCORING ... last sentence: No track records will be recognized during this event.Quote:
I know I've seen that before, but checked the supps twice and didn't find it.
What tGA said
LeChump (LCCx) cars are welcome at all of our JRB regionals, starting with Pocono this month and continuing at NJMP in June, August and October.Quote:
Would be incentive to come back to a JRB event this season! It would be great to have a couple LCC cars out there.
Terry
Pretty obvious for other teams to spot though. I think weight would be the most likely. Last stint have more fuel and heaviest driver on the team finish it out. Other sessions be underweight.
For the Devil, they weighed cars w/o driver, then added a bogey 180#.
K
Dave
What Kirk said .... PlusQuote:
Pretty obvious for other teams to spot though. I think weight would be the most likely. Last stint have more fuel and heaviest driver on the team finish it out. Other sessions be underweight.
Page 5 / S P E C I A L . E V E N T . R U L E S / 7. Car Modifications
With the exception of consumable items (fuel, oil, water, tires and brake pads), nothing maybe added or changed on the car in the last hour without the permission of the Chief Steward or representative.
This provision was added several years ago after a team was observed placing a spare tire in their car with about an hour to go. The car was weighed with and without the spare tire in post race impound. Much to the relief of the crew, the car made weight by about three pounds without the spare tire. We do what we can to level the playing field.
See ya at races
Terry
Note to self: Make new ballast boxes full of brake pads...
;)
Most of my Chump team loves the night races. And FWIW the Chump and lemons races have moved a liitle away from overnight 24s and night racing in general.
Maybe Terry can find a market gap and fill it .
IMHO the night races are what makes an endurance race cool. Sunrise over the pack is just the nuts.
RE pace car; The steward could designate 3 or 4 ¨pace cars"among the race cars . Yes the pace car situation can add or subtract a lap for the front teams very easy. As the intensity / cost go up,. these things matter more to teams that are out for the win, overlooking the fun factor .
We stopped the 12 at the point when fuel rigs were allowed and the nightt running was reduced, making the race just a long race that required fuel rigs to be near the front. The lack of fuel cell size rules also dampened our enthusiasm.
^I think in E1 and E2 you might need a fuel rig and big cell to win this one. But in the lower classes I'm not at all convinced. I witnessed enough of a delta in car and team prep, and DRIVING ability, that some time + or - in the pits didn't make that huge of a difference. IOW, if you maximized the result from what you had in hand, you were probably way further ahead than guys that had rigs and stuff and didn't execute otherwise.
That said, I have to give props to the guys in the E3 and particularly E4 cars that were top 10 OA. They had to be on point.
Will
4th overall = E2 car with terrible gas mileage (rx8) with a stock 13 gallon tank fitted with a single hose dry break to use dump cans. Used 1 set of street tires Saturday. May use the same tires later this year. Top speed on the car was 115 with no 5th or 6th after the first hour.
Driver out with 10 seconds, driver in and car moving within 20 to 30 seconds. If your pit stop took you more than 2:45seconds then we lapped you :-) ours were all about 1:15.
This works quite well for me, too bad my co-drivers out-weigh me by 40# (or more).Quote:
For the Devil, they weighed cars w/o driver, then added a bogey 180#.
I have checked and the driver of my car would have to weigh only about 135# for the car to be underweight w/ zero fuel, and even I can't do that anymore.
Enough laps for you to beat us, doc! ;)
We made 6 by my count too, plus one during a fcy for a radio cluster eff. We used dead stock fill jugs with the stock fill neck on the car, flapper still intact. We stood still for at least 4 minutes, which was horrible. So yeah, we gave up some laps just due to a non ideal setup.
I want to keep the car Chump eligible, and they only allow +2 gallons from stock in a cell, which IMO may not be worth it for us.
I guess we just work on getting more speed to make up for our short runs! :). We were like 400 pounds plus heavy for the LCC rules, there's speed there.
W
Is supremacy in E5 becoming a grudge match?
T
Reg was ugly. VERY ugly and people lost track time as a result. I don't understand how it could have ever been scheduled the way it was. The volunteer excuse doesn't cut it, there were many people new to SCCA that were SLAPPED in the face by this. AND PEOPLE LOST TRACK TIME THEY PAID FOR.
My drivers went to reg early and WERE TURNED AWAY!!!
LED's bugged out one of my drivers as well... especially regarding closing rate. There are small bars. maybe out law the long ones or make them tape the middle third?
15 votes for 12 to 12. If staying up late is a problem, get up later. The dark that we get with 12 to 12 is SO much more in the spirit of a true endurance race. I partied until 4 with my drivers and was the youngest one there by a mile so age is no excuse ;)
The pit exit closing on that early yellow was VERY RUDE.
Great event sans the reg and the pits/pace car bit. I swore I was going to drive this year, but brought a team of drivers together with a car and chiefed it instead... Most fun and best experience I've had not driving in a while. Crew chief, Driver changer and spotter... It kept me busy... The Sunday I packed up a different car and drove to the Glen. Good times.
I'm very very VERY much against changing the time. Unless it is to go later... :D Please don't let it happen. The event is growing and people like it the way that it is.
Chris,
Lighten up. It was another great event by the NJ folks. Well constructed ositive suggestions always help to improve future events. And it was us old guys who taught you how to party til 4. Maybe later we'll show you how to take it til dawn. :023:
Your friend Chuck
Sounds like a great time by most. Sorry I missed it and meeting a lot of you guys in person for once, hopefully next year.
Chris
We are aware of (and embarrassed by) the difficulties in registration. It won't happen again.Quote:
Reg was ugly. VERY ugly and people lost track time as a result. I don't understand how it could have ever been scheduled the way it was. The volunteer excuse doesn't cut it, there were many people new to SCCA that were SLAPPED in the face by this. AND PEOPLE LOST TRACK TIME THEY PAID FOR.
Also understand that registration for this event will cause delays when most teams show up at the same time with a dozen or more crew members some of whom need weekend memberships. We can't completely eliminate delays but we can ensure that it will not intrude on practice or race time.
Some place, perhaps on another BBS, there was a discussion of LED's and possible solutions. We are looking at cutting the beam at or below horizontal to retain the advantage of LED while not annoying / interfering with other drivers. Your suggestions are welcome.Quote:
LED's bugged out one of my drivers as well... especially regarding closing rate. There are small bars. maybe out law the long ones or make them tape the middle third?
I'm glad you enjoyed the event and hope to see you out next year.
Terry
Just being brief and yes it was a GREAT event overall! Just wanted to make a couple points, not trying to beat a dead horse. Sorry I couldn't find you to say hi Chuck. I tried to catch your eye during the driver meeting, but you may not have recognized me with my hair cut...
It was EPIC! Shoulda been there jerk :p
Thank Terry x10!
Understood about the Reg. Let me know next time if you are short volunteers, or they don't want to start early, I will help!
Biggest issue with the LED bars seemed to be judging the closer rates. I don't think that lowering the light will do much as the regular highs are... well pretty high, might not hurt though.
Amazing the turnout. can't wait for next year! My drivers all got hooked and are taking me with them where ever they go next... Currently planning for the 13 hour :D
Watching it again this weekend, what lemons does very right registration-wise is decoupling and people...
** There's a list of every registered participant at the front gate. Anyone on that list gets a blue wristband. That list is a simple dump of anyone listed as crew or drivers and nobody cares which car you're attached to. If folks need temporary weekend memberships at an SCCA weekend, this would be the place to take care of it.
** Car "registration" and tech requires only one person serving as the representative of the team. For an SCCA race this could be the entrant and/or the registered DTR. This is what they tried to do - sort of - at the Devil, when they just asked for a person to get cars registered but it was in the mess of a bunch of people already in line to do weekend memberships, etc.
** Driver check-in just requires showing your license and printing/signing against a list of just drivers - literally just highlighted as each is processed. That gets one a yellow wrist band.
** With gear annuals, SCCA wouldn't have to do this, but driver gear tech includes pulling out your stuff, (literally) pointing at the SFI (blech) patch/sticker, and raising your hand when you're ready for the rotating guy. Interestingly, this approach - at every race - does a better job of encouraging proper gear than does the annual approach, under which I could be using a non-approved suit under my stickered helmet...
The approach at SCCA enduros continues the regular system that's centered on the driver, and assumes he/she has a car and crew.
K
EDIT - Implicit in the above is that these functions take place in different lines. Spread them out and let each work at its own rate.
Terry, you can settle the time argument by making this thing a 24 hour!
Then maybe I can stop thinking of doing the Thunderhill 25...
I agree with the light bars. it did make it difficult to judge closing rates. And being the slowest car there, it was kinda important!! :D
I asked over on the "other" place but should plop it in here too, are Prod cars not eligible for this race?