Uh, the SCCA Runoffs maybe?Quote:
<font face=\"Verdana, Arial\" size=\"2\">What other sanctioning body crowns a champion based on the result of one race? </font>
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Uh, the SCCA Runoffs maybe?Quote:
<font face=\"Verdana, Arial\" size=\"2\">What other sanctioning body crowns a champion based on the result of one race? </font>
Chris and I have advocated a "best of three" concept for awhile--west, central, and east. Pick your two. And if bad luck strikes, you make the decision (or not) to go to the third.
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Lesley Albin
Over The Limit Racing
Blazen Golden Retrievers
"Gallactic Grand Master" has a nice ring to it.
Any single-event crowning is, unfortunatly, marred with doubt, it's just the nature of the beast.
G
Uh Greg, that's kinda what I was referring to. I don't really subscribe to the concept of a National Champion based on the results of one race.Quote:
Originally posted by GregAmy:
Uh, the SCCA Runoffs maybe?
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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608
As long as we're making up titles...I shall henceforth be known as the "Dark Overlord of Speed". I've been looking for an excuse to break out the black cape and goat leggings at the races anyway http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif
Yes, m'Lord--and it should double well at tonight's Star Wars gig.Quote:
Originally posted by solaris:
As long as we're making up titles...I shall henceforth be known as the "Dark Overlord of Speed". I've been looking for an excuse to break out the black cape and goat leggings at the races anyway http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif
BTW m'Lord, is this what you look like in a Cobra?
http://www.isaacdirect.com/images/Users/Darth.jpg
http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif
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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com
Call the winner "Gloria" for all I care. It's a freaking awesome weekend at a great track.
http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif
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Ony Anglade
ITA Miata
Roswell, GA
Very nice. However, the Dark Overlord's preferred ride is this:Quote:
Originally posted by gsbaker:
Yes, m'Lord--and it should double well at tonight's Star Wars gig.
BTW m'Lord, is this what you look like in a Cobra?
http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ano_mcc1_G.jpg
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I just love that Maserati. I makes me all hot and bothered.
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Jennifer Rudder
PFM Racing
http://www.pfmracing.com
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Impressive, but I'd go with an open cockpit design. Otherwise, how will your cape flap in the breeze?Quote:
Originally posted by solaris:
Very nice. However, the Dark Overlord's preferred ride is this:
G
That about says it all, Ony. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gifQuote:
Originally posted by oanglade:
Call the winner "Gloria" for all I care. It's a freaking awesome weekend at a great track.
http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif
G
Can you get the body parts for the Maserati that will attach to a Honda Civic?
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Chris Harris
ITC Honda Civic
I am sure we could make some.
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Jennifer Rudder
PFM Racing
http://www.pfmracing.com
Actually I think this is what the Dark Overlord should drive.
http://mk23.image.pbase.com/u/speedr...CanAm-US74.jpg
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Jennifer Rudder
PFM Racing
http://www.pfmracing.com
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He should drive a red 'X'???
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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608
I'm all conflicted in that I both agree and disagree with some things here. This is a great discussion though.
My .$02...
As mentioned, it is funny that a few guys on the east coast just plain whip ass all year, then either never go to the ARRC or for some reason are oddly slower when they do go. Now, there aren't "alot" of guys like this, but they are out there. This seems to show that the teardowns do work.
As far as the teardowns are concerned, I hate them. Not because I'm cheating, because I'm lazy and I like beer and cajun food. If I win the ARRC, I don't want to spend the evening re-assembling my motor for the enduro, I want to spend it drinking beer and eating with my cajun buddies.
That said, I do agree that the teardowns lend some credibility that the podium is LEGAL, so I'll deal with it.
As far as the extent of the teardowns, I think its good the way it is. There seems to maybe be a bit of deviation year to year in that you don't know exactly what to expect. Heck, if they decided to not do teardowns at all one year it wouldn't matter at all as long as nobody KNEW they weren't going to do it.
Remember the "doomsday device" from Dr. Strangelove??? The knowlege that a tear *could* happen will keep cheaters away, but only if everybody knows about it. At this point I think everybody knows about it. I'd even be all for a system of drawing a car number out of a hat for the top 5. Whoever gets drawn gets a complete teardown, the other guys get to watch. I think that would still deter cheating and be easier on everybody. The tech shed sure would be less crowded.
I think we were stuck in there for 2 hours last year. That kind of sucked.
As far as it being a "real" championship... Well, it might not be. But what it is is as close as we IT guys are going to get, so I have no issues calling the winner a National Champion. As Greg mentioned, if someone in the midwest wants to put on an event like this... Go for it. Most of us that try to run up front at the ARRC would be there.
Finally, if you've never been to an ARRC... It's different. Honestly, it is. Its not just a glorified SEDIV race.
Its just different. The competition is tougher, the stakes are higher, and everyone cranks it up a notch. Last year was my first ARRC as a competitor and I was nervous as all hell. Note that I don't get nervous, ever. Friends have made fun of me for napping or planning what I'm going to have for dinner inside the 5 minute call on grid. At the ARRC last year I actually had to take a minute and get my proverbial shit together.
Yeah... Its different.
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#22 ITC Honda Civic
3rd Place 2004 ARRC
1st Place 2004 ARRC Enduro
www.motorpride.com/Catch22
Scott, I suppose that's what I meant when I refered to "Natonal Champion". I didn't know I ws going to stir up a nest of ACLU employees. It's just different. Sure, most of the people running are from the area, but the same thing happens at the Runoffs at Mid Ohio. We'll see how that may change at Topeka.
As for the Cajun food and beer...our cook was up in impound helping tear down the winner and never missed a stir of the gumbo pot. There was an interesting flavor to the roux last year, though. Did your bowl have some crunchy stuff in it, too?
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Chris Harris
ITC Honda Civic
Did your bowl have some crunchy stuff in it, too?
Well, no.
I think he put something "special" in your bowl. He was mumbling something about secret ingredients.
Will the beloved cook be at the double SARRC in Roebling on july 9 and 10????
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Evan Darling
ITA Integra
Sorry, Evan, I doubt it serously. If he makes a showing, it will only be to crew. He hangs up his black iron pot and propane burner after each ARRC. The food effort takes about two full weeks to prepare and somewhere around $500 to finance. It's something he loves to do just 'cause people love hime to do it. Eat up, there's plenty.
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Chris Harris
ITC Honda Civic
If anyone tries to argue that this race isn't "championship level" argue it AFTER going to one of the events (even as a spectator). First off thier are as many tractor trailers at this event to make anyone go home and dream of better things. Also the cars competing are as good as you can get, with some of the best drivers you can get. Look at past results, you will notice a few big names, and a ton of close races that I think would challenge/beat any IT driver from any class.
Raymond Blethen
www.rstperformance.com
There are quite a few folks that come to the ARRC more to eat from that black kettle than to watch the races.
A friend of mine that is quite a competent trackside cook (he fired up the grill and fed our VIR 13 hour team last year) was absolutely humbled last year by what was coming out of that kettle.
Scott, whos ARRC paddock spot is no accident
I got 3 words for you:
Deermeat Sauce Piquant
Raymond, I have been to the ARRC as a spectator about six years ago. I was not impressed with the total quality of the fields and the atmosphere of the event. Maybe that has changed in the recent years. I would also agree that it is bigger than most or any Regional event. However it brings up the point again, this is not a National Championship. Do not get me wrong, it is a great event to win, I just do not think we should be going around calling someone the National Champ. I think they should be called the ARRC Champ. Raymond I think you can equate it to the June Sprints. It is the biggest National of the year and has a championship quality to it and is very contested, but it is one national and awarded the same points as any other.
Let's get an opinion pool going....which track would you like to see (centrally I assume) host a "national champ" race ?? My vote is for topeka http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif
I don't really care what track it is, if there was a centrally located, "recognized" National Championship for IT, I would be there.
If this were to happen in 2006, I think it would be pretty darn cool! I think there would need to be at least a year's notice, so that people could plan it into their racing schedules/budgets.
That said, I already treat the ARRC as a National Championship, because it is as close to one as we have!
Bowie
Apparently I am incapable of getting a picture of the UOP Shadow to work. Oh well...Quote:
Originally posted by Bill Miller:
He should drive a red 'X'???
Wait, let me try again http://www.horacingcenter.homestead....les/vaca32.jpg
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Jennifer Rudder
PFM Racing
http://www.pfmracing.com
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<font face=\"Verdana, Arial\" size=\"2\">Raymond I think you can equate it to the June Sprints. It is the biggest National of the year and has a championship quality to it and is very contested, but it is one national and awarded the same points as any other.</font>
That's the best analogy I've heard yet.
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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608
The June sprints are not the biggest National of the year... This year as in every year past it will be the SCCA National Runoffs.
The only difference I see is that you need to qualify to get into the National Runoffs, but in reality... what class do you really need to qualify to get into??? Its not that hard, if you want to go you can pritty much go.
Raymond
Raymond, the Runoffs is a recognized event to award a National Champion, so it is not just another national race. The June Sprints are. The June Sprints hold no more value in qualifying for the Runoffs than a poorly attend National else were in the country. No matter what is said, there is still atleast a qualifing format in order to attend. I agree that some or most classes it is easy to do, and some are harder to do. That does not change the fact that there are "qualifing" factors in order to get an "invitation". To my knowledge this is the only SCCA club raing event that does this. I would have no problem if the SCCA acknowledge the ARRC as a Regional National Champion. I think they should, the SCCA has a history with Road Atlanta and is as good a place as any or better than most. The SCCA will not however, because the do not want regional classes to go for a national championships. So it come back to the fact that the ARRC has no claim for a National Championship, (at this time).
As i have said i think mid ohio would be a nice place since the national guys are done with it....
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Evan Darling
ITA Integra
Ok, one vote for mid-ohio and one for topeka....anyone else???
I'll agree with that. The SCCA dumped Road Atlanta and IT in the same year as national championship events. Now the Runoffs have been moved from a world class facility to a Kansas cornfield. As much as I love the Atlanta track, if they called the race at Mid Ohio a national championship, I'd go back to race there. Of course, I probably wouldn't be competitive, but then neither are a bunch of the racers that enter the Runoffs...even though they "qualified".
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Chris Harris
ITC Honda Civic
Road Atlanta is perfect how it is... The region does a wonderful job putting on the event, so I see no need to change it, although I am sure that NER could do the best job http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif, it is to bad our tracks are so small and our track times are very limited.
:-P
Raymond
being biased I would love it a Mid-Ohio. great facility and a fun track.
I love road atlanta...they put on a top notch show and its a beautiful track, but i think ohio is more central and may attract more west coast people as well as cen div and northeast...
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Evan Darling
ITA Integra
In November? :-)
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Bob Pinkowski
Atlanta Region SCCA
ITS Honda Prelude
Not to mention that they'd probably want a $500 entry fee at LRP!!! http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/eek.gif http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gifQuote:
Originally posted by RSTPerformance:
Road Atlanta is perfect how it is... The region does a wonderful job putting on the event, so I see no need to change it, although I am sure that NER could do the best job http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif, it is to bad our tracks are so small and our track times are very limited.
:-P
Raymond
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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608
Quote:
Originally posted by RSTPerformance:
The June sprints are not the biggest National of the year... This year as in every year past it will be the SCCA National Runoffs.
The only difference I see is that you need to qualify to get into the National Runoffs, but in reality... what class do you really need to qualify to get into??? Its not that hard, if you want to go you can pritty much go.
Raymond
Come on Raymond, now you're just being silly. And you really need to qualify in all of the classes (4 starts, 3 finishes). Wait until next year, and see how many SM folks don't get to go!
BTW, you can race the ARRC on a novice book!
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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608
No. You can't.Quote:
Originally posted by Bill Miller:
BTW, you can race the ARRC on a novice book!