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"first off, i'm 26, grew up with PCs, and currently sit in front of one all day every day at work. second, i did everything on my car other than the cage, including building my own engine, so i'm not intimidated by DIY or trying something new."
Travis, I happy to see you expressing yourself, most peopl your age don't give a hoot. The 1st computer was a IBM 360 I worked on.;~)
"second, if you go back to the original ECU thread jake created a couple months back, i was one of the first people to jump on the "open it up" bandwagon largely in part to the ECU issues new cars present, so i do understand and recognize the problems that might come up with new cars."
So you are off the bandwagon, but are you supporting the ecu rule as it is now? Do you think it is fair?
"but those are problems we don't have just yet. you can't make a rule based on what MIGHT be, only on what currently is. how do we know that turner, speedsource, joe, etc won't figure out a way to do everything we need via chip or reflash only? now we just created a rule that opened up a whole mess of issues and caused a lot of people a ton of work for no reason. i think we'd be fools to guess how things turn out in the tuning market and what our ECU needs will be 10yrs from now."
Just because I'm a proponent of opening up the euc rule, I can go either way, like I said I run a stock ecu. I'm only think of the poor SOB's that other systems that are having major problems getting their car tuned. I don't want to go throught this rule every year, do you?
"i really think we need to wait a year to see what ECU issues show up in all the new ITR cars before we make a change."
So leave the existing rule?
i'm curious, what was turner having problems with on their ECU under touring rules that they wouldn't have had under "open" rules? i watched that thing run with my own 2 eyes at the runoffs, and they had it figured out just fine, except for they hadn't figured out that toyos won't last a whole race. :D that is, if they were on toyos, i just assumed they were based on the whole car wearing huge toyo logos.
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what about the initial setup for a standalone ECU? who's going to take it to the dyno to make sure everything is in correct parameters? no difference between the two in that regard, but the standalone unit is more work (and expense) to even get to communicate with all the sensors. you're rewiring everything that talks to the ECU right from the get-go, and that makes things way more complicated (and expensive). then once you get there, you're starting from literally zero. have fun tuning and getting all your variable valve and cam timing setup right, multiple-runner throttle bodies, electronic throttles, electronic thermostats, and whatever other jibberish the ECU runs these days. these things are already set if you start with the OEM ecu and just reflash it.....i think.
huh?
more expensive hardware, more time to setup, and likely more time on the dyno.....how does that equate to the reflash costing more?
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