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Restricting your list to a series of untenable choices does not make for meaningful debate. I told you months ago I'd give the E36 150 pounds. I also provided a clear reason for that number.
Now, please provide a direct answer to my question in post number 160 of this thread. [/b]
I missed that post completely. Here it is:
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Perhaps this is the $64,000 question:
It appears that the E36 would have been considered within the target ITS envelope had the SIR had no effect on HP and torque below the target. If, beyond reasonable doubt, it is shown that the SIR reduces HP and Torque at a given RPM below the target peak HP, is not the weight of 2850 too high? Surely the "adder" in the formula for torque must be adjusted...if the goal is parity, of course.
I suspect responses to this could be fun.[/b]
Nope. The CRB decide that the 27mm was too small. Based on actual testing they made an adjustment to the size. As Bob said, it will take 20whp of off everything. When setting a weight for a car, you have to class it based on it's POTENTIAL - it's estimated PEAK. The underprepared really have no affect on what a car should weigh. You can't do it like that. What you are suggesting is that each car gets a weight based on it's prep level - and that is impossible if not rediculous.
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Whatever you say, Andy.
Really? Well, you & others here promised unequivocally that there was. Given that this promise seems to have now been hastily withdrawn, I believe scrapping the entire flawed, suspect process & starting over is best for the sport. [/b]
The promise has not been withdrawn, the 'promise' (and I use that word lightly) has been DISPROVEN. We have told you of the error and are now working with new data. :bash_1_:
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Sorry, Andy, but this is nonsense. Why should we have ANY faith in your claim that these are the only 3 possible choices. All due respect, but your credibility ain't real high right now. As DoubleD says, there ARE other choices. I wonder why you are not willing to look at them?[/b]
WHAT ARE THE OTHER CHOICES? 150lbs was thrown out by DoubleD some time ago. DD, tell us again how you got to that number? We have a process, it is working. It should work (IMHO) for this car too. To refresh from earlier in this thread:
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The E36 can exceed 30% increases (about 201whp using a 18% loss factor if you are playing at home), so that is used.
189 * 1.3 * 12.9 = 3169
This is before consideration for the adders. Adders are considerations for traits that are significant vs. the rest of the class. The tranny ratios are perfect, the brakes are large (but that is mitigated in my mind by the weight at this point) and the torque numbers are off the charts. It is very reasonable to assume 3150-3200 is a fair weight given the process all the other cars have to go through.[/b]
Let's see your math again DoubleD!
HB,
Starting over is fine, but knowing what you know about how the tech works, what is your solution???
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As for shooting the messenger...that is what has been done to me over the least severl days here. Ironic, isn't it? [/b]
Not really. I would hardly call you a messenger. WE have delivered the message, you have complained about the message. VERY different.