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Stopped by my buddies race shop in Torrington the other day. He preps a Lotus Elise for one of the club members at LRP. Only Olga Korbut in her prime could get in and out of this car! With no cage,helmet or HANS it's bad enough...I can't imagine how a racer could get out of an actual race Elise in a hurry. Has hugh sills that one has to climb over just to get in. I know I'm old...but...LOL. Wasn't it an Elise that Ken Payson hit at LRP when it was backwards on NO Name?
Bruce
I believe that Ken hit a Lotus Exige ... but then again all Loti tend to look the same to me :DQuote:
Wasn't it an Elise that Ken Payson hit at LRP when it was backwards on NO Name?
Terry
It's the published, official position of the CRB that egress time after an incident is not something we should be worried about.
K
Link?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knestis
FasTrack, some time last year. Kirk made the request that the standard be implemented as part of the H&NR requirement, CRB replied to the negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Miller
http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...strack-may.pdf
May 2012 Fastrack
#516 (Kirk Knestis) Implement an Escape Time requirement
There has been no proven need for this requirement in Club Racing.
EDIT - There was a lot of squawking about SCCA having to adhere to SFI as the "industry standard." I merely suggested that we should adhere to "industry standards" in regard to the issue - egress - that the PTB were using as a stick to hit the Isaac with. I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to do that...
K
IMHO, Lotus Elise and Exiges are easy to get in and out of with just a bit of practice. Also, with the natural height of the door sill in those cars, it doesn't get much harder with a cage.
Right. And kirks request was the second time they saw the same request.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knestis
I'd sent the same request in about a year previously. It was rejected because the crb said that such a requirement would violate the Americans With Disabilities Act, and was discriminatory.......
I think this is probably right. I had an Exige and it wasn't too bad as is. I sat in one of the Sport or whatever models they called it at Lotus of Durham that had a cage and it wasn't too bad either. You just have to cross that wide sill, the opening itself is fairly large (and I'm not in the greatest of shape either).Quote:
Originally Posted by CRallo
That is interesting. I know NASA has a published egress time.Quote:
Originally Posted by lateapex911
That's what I proposed. The NASA industry standard but with an allowance to make accommodations consistent with the ADA, using the same basic process by which someone may be allowed hand controls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie
K
This. It sucks as a street car to get in and out of, but as a race car it's not much worse if any than most other race cars. Now some of those Legends cars look tough to me!Quote:
Also, with the natural height of the door sill in those cars, it doesn't get much harder with a cage.
Dave.....since I started this thread I take resposibility for making more dumb statements.....LOL.I think what I noticed the most getting in and out of the elise was the lack of vertical room,ie, the distance from the top of the door frame/roof to the wide frame panel that one has to crawl over. Perhaps chalk it off to being 66(but I haven't had a problem in the RX7 with cage). The elise has very small windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by gran racing
Re: legends, I thought they had a removeable roof panel to aid entry/exit.:dead_horse:
No, that is incorrect. Legends Cars have a door on the left side that opens.Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceG
Baby Grand cars with the updated body have a roof hatch for ingress/egress.
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dave parker
I was practicing getting out of the rx8 with the door closed. with my halo see it is almost impossible and really sucks. I am sure if I'm motivated by fire or something else it won't seem so hard but still scary!
Stephen