Fuel Sample Port

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07-12-2012, 11:37 AM
240zdave

Fuel Sample Port

I am planning on using Jiffy-Tite fittings for the fuel sample port on the new race car. I will be installing a female quick-disconnect like this behind the gas door:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/JIF-21306/

The description says this fitting is valved. My questions are, does it need to be "valved", and if so, does the male plug also need to be valved, like this one:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/JIF-22506P/

The male end will have a piece of rubber hose attached to it, and it will only get plugged into the female fitting if a sample is required. Anyone else using this setup?
07-12-2012, 12:36 PM
Eagle7

I have a totally different arrangement, but with the on-car fitting valved and the removable fitting not. The connection point is below the free end of the hose, so it is impossible to disconnect it without spilling fuel. If the removable fitting were valved then the fuel would stay in the hose when removed.
07-12-2012, 12:42 PM
mossaidis

Some more info on fuel ports...

http://www.fuelports.com/
07-12-2012, 12:44 PM
JIgou

We've got something along those lines on our car, with the sample port T'd off of the main fuel line right before it connects to the fuel rail.

The car also has a toggle switch (airplane-style, with the cover to prevent accidental use) beside the port to let us power the fuel pump right there. Sorta overkill, but it came that way....

I like it a lot, especially when compared to some of the other stuff I've seen and dealt with over the years.
07-12-2012, 01:06 PM
tom91ita

Quote:

Originally Posted by mossaidis

Some more info on fuel ports...

http://www.fuelports.com/

i have the fuel ports on the banjo bolt on the high pressure side of my fuel filter.

i like it and have never had an issue. also have never used it.
07-12-2012, 01:40 PM
mossaidis

^ I have one too, I like it, never had an issue AND I use it.. it's an easy button.
07-12-2012, 02:25 PM
Chip42

until there's a fuel test that anyone uses (and has confidence in) the port will be an easy tech inspection at impound and nothing more. a required item that serves no current real purpose.

they are useful for draining tanks when you don't have a drain in the tank, so if you fall in that group, make a setup that works well for that purpose.
07-12-2012, 04:04 PM
Matt93SE

In 3 yrs and about 50 national races, I've been asked for a fuel sample ONCE. At a track that the Sunoco fuel in the track's tanks was deemed illegal!! (so basically they just let anyone run whatever and it didn't matter since the only fuel available in the area was illegal..)

anyway, I have a fuelport as well.
I saw a couple GTL guys with setups similar to what David was suggesting. female dry-break quick-disconnect fitting on the fuel supply line, male plug with about 12" of hose on the sample line. the guy had it zip-tied to the frame rail next to the sample port.

so he would turn his fuel pump on at the dash, then plug the hose in and fill the tube.
07-12-2012, 04:23 PM
240zdave

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle7

I have a totally different arrangement, but with the on-car fitting valved and the removable fitting not. The connection point is below the free end of the hose, so it is impossible to disconnect it without spilling fuel. If the removable fitting were valved then the fuel would stay in the hose when removed.

I think that answers my question. Since the quick disconnect is on the side of the car behind the gas flap, when the male fitting is plugged into the female socket on the car, the free end of the hose on the other end of the male fitting will be below the connection point, so all of the fuel should fall into whatever container is holding the sample, therefore, no valve would be necessary on the male fitting. Thanks.
07-13-2012, 11:20 AM
Flyinglizard

I have a letter in to rescind the test port rule for regional level cars .
07-13-2012, 01:00 PM
Knestis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyinglizard

I have a letter in to rescind the test port rule for regional level cars .

But what about the CHILDREN...?

Safety first!

Why do you hate America?

:026:

K
07-13-2012, 02:02 PM
mossaidis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyinglizard

I have a letter in to rescind the test port rule for regional level cars .

I do not support this. :)
07-13-2012, 02:25 PM
Flyinglizard

First, please quote and repost on the rules thread.
1) Have you been beat by a car using illegal fuel?
2) Does your region have a test kit?
3) Do you think that the current street fuel @90/10 will pass?
4) Have you ever been tested?
5) How does the rule help the regional racer, RE to additional fuel leak point, cost, etc.
The ARRC cars will have supps supporting the test port .
Thanks, MM
07-14-2012, 12:03 AM
Sandro

I have this one: https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...asp?RecID=3447

and I just leave a rubber hose in the rain tray, so if I need it its there.

Also makes it easy to check if your fuel pump is working when troubleshooting a problem.
07-20-2012, 10:31 AM
disquek

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240zdave

I am planning on using Jiffy-Tite fittings for the fuel sample port on the new race car. I will be installing a female quick-disconnect like this behind the gas door:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/JIF-21306/

The description says this fitting is valved. My questions are, does it need to be "valved", and if so, does the male plug also need to be valved, like this one:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/JIF-22506P/

The male end will have a piece of rubber hose attached to it, and it will only get plugged into the female fitting if a sample is required. Anyone else using this setup?

I have that exact setup in my GTL. It's on the "high pressure" side of my carbureted fuel system meaning it sees about 15psi. The female fitting is valved and the male is not.

The female fitting is plumbed into the fuel line between one pump and the filter. I keep the male fitting with a piece of hose on a near by frame rail using a velcro zip tie thingie.

When asked for a sample (I've been asked about 6-10 times) I just pull off the velcro, plug the hose in, turn on a pump and ... whah lah ...

I also put caps on both ends of the sample hose when it's not in use, since I'm paranoid that some crud is going to get in there and throw off the fuel sample.

It's also handy for doing pump outs.

-Kyle
07-21-2012, 09:48 PM
timo944

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandro

I have this one: https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...asp?RecID=3447

and I just leave a rubber hose in the rain tray, so if I need it its there.

Also makes it easy to check if your fuel pump is working when troubleshooting a problem.

I have this on both cars and it works great. Highly recommended.
07-23-2012, 03:59 PM
240zdave

Quote:

Originally Posted by disquek

I have that exact setup in my GTL. It's on the "high pressure" side of my carbureted fuel system meaning it sees about 15psi. The female fitting is valved and the male is not.

The female fitting is plumbed into the fuel line between one pump and the filter. I keep the male fitting with a piece of hose on a near by frame rail using a velcro zip tie thingie.

When asked for a sample (I've been asked about 6-10 times) I just pull off the velcro, plug the hose in, turn on a pump and ... whah lah ...

I also put caps on both ends of the sample hose when it's not in use, since I'm paranoid that some crud is going to get in there and throw off the fuel sample.

It's also handy for doing pump outs.

-Kyle

Well, Jiffy-Tite it is, with a slight variation. The tech guy at Jiffy-Tite advised me to go with a male plug on the bulkhead fitting instead of female, and then the operation of hooking up the hose is one-handed (pull back the sleeve on the female fitting and push it on). Makes more sense than the way I was going to do it.