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Switch panels
OK, as long as the interior is out, I've been pondering changing over some of my electrical switches to a master panel. Things like:
Lights (currently on turn signal stalk)
Wipers (currently on a stalk opposite turn signals)
Defrost fan
Ignition
I don't have my GCR with me, and I can't remember if it says you can. It'd be nice to disconnect the electrical from things like the wipers and turn signals so if I hit them on track, they don't turn on (of course, I wouldn't remove the switches themselves. Everything would still be there). I've seen it done in other cars, but that doesn't mean it's legal!
Anyway, just looking for some opinions.
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
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I think you are supposed to keep all the stalks and stuff in the car!
You can add switches, but the things you are permitted to remove are limited(Gauges, instruments)
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Like I said, I'd keep it all in there, and in the original locations, too (no putting it in the glove box, or in the rear right corner where I need the weight!).
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
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Moroso makes a nice switch panel. Comes w/ all the stuff, switches, fuse holders/fuses, lights, and a push-button starter.
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I got the Moroso panel (it comes all in pieces, so you have to assemble it yourself), and then built an aluminum box to mount it on the floor, next to the seat, where they are within easy reach. Still kept the original harness, though!!!!
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So, I guess my question is, can someone quote chapter and verse for me? I can't seem to find it...
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
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Sorry, I mean chapter and verse from the GCR...
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
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Bill, here goes.......
ITCS rule 17.1.4.D.9.c.
"Guages and instruments may be added, replace or removed."
"or any other location using a secure method of attachment."
Look up instruments in the GCR & being that the instruments are to be installed using a secure method one could install them in a instrument panel. Under the definition of instrument panel in the GCR the words "various gauges and controls." are used. That I would understand to open the door to about any gauge or car control feature. Choke, fuses, fuel pump switch, ignitation switch & hmmmmmm that word "control" is very interesting.
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David
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Thank you David. So, now for my next question:
Why do I have to keep the turn signal/windshield wiper stalk stuff?
According to this, I shouldn't have to...
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
[This message has been edited by planet6racing (edited November 03, 2003).]
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Bill, I aimed you to the rule. Use the rule to please yourself.
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David
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If I understand the rule correctly you are required to keep everything as it is in the car-except you can bypass the functionality of the switches if you use an alternate panel such as you are considering. I cannot say that it is correct to totally disable the stalk switches. If the ITCS and GCR say you can....
Just my opinion
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A lot of 1st gen RX-7 folks run a knee bar in the cage that require removal of the stalk and switches....which the GCR allows. I'm sure some will disagree on the interpretation, but I know several who consistently pass impund.
btw, i bought the longacre gauge package and a jegster switch panel through racer wholesale and Jegs respectively.
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** The fact that a car "survives impound" with an modification in place is NOT evidence that said change is legal.
** Generally speaking, the rules require all of the OEM parts to not only BE THERE but also function as originally intended. (I'm not at home so don't have my ITCS handy but anyone can look it up.) This is why the "wire in the glove compartment" thing is weak.
** That said, I need to review the definition that DD quotes. If it is defining "instrument panel" then it cannot necessarily be accurately inferred that the "various controls and guages" are all "instruments," which may be removed or replaced...
K
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"Instrument Panel: "A panel,located within the cockpit of the car, and in a position convenient for driver visibility, which may provide a mounting area for various gauges and controls."
ITCS, page 20 (of 2002 version)
rule C: Talks about adding new guages to the existing panel, and goes on to state "......Other than modifications made to mount instruments and provide for roll cage installation, the remainder of the dash "board" or panel shall remain intact."
Not sure I can reasonably see how windshield wiper and light switch stalks can be involved in this rule and the definition of "instrument panel".
"Controls" doesn't apply here.
I can see how the cross car tube could necessitate the removal or modification of certain steering column items, but as a 1st gen RX-7 racer, I found a better solution.
IMHO, the items need to remain, and be operable: "Other than those specifally allowed by these rules, no component or part normally found on a stock example of a given vehicle may be disabled, altered or removed for the purpose of obtaining a competitive advantage.", from the Intent statement of the GCR.
In the case of the 1st gen, I can see how it could be argued that the items needed to be removed to allow the cross car brace to exist in that spot, but I can also see that there is a better place to put it.
I also have had to race in fog and rain and mist, and having lights and wipers helps!
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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]
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GCR DEFINITIONS:
Gauges - Mechcanical or electronic readouts of automotive parameters.
Instrument - An indicator or readout which, when active, contains information about some aspect of car operation for driver reference.
Instrument Panel- A panel within the cockpit of a car, and in a position convenient for driver visability, which may provide a mounting area for various gauges and controls.
ITCS 9 c. Gauges and instruments may be added, replaced or removed. They may be installed in the original insturment(s) location using a secure method of attachment. Other than modifications made to mount insturments and provide for roll cage installation, the remainder of the dash "board" or panel shall remain intact.
The way I see it the GCR definitions of gauges & instruments falls short of being controls such as a toggle switch or push button.
In the ITCS 9 c. It only states gauges & instruments. No controls are listed. Further the "which may provide a mounting area" in the instrument panel definition means "which may". By not listing controls in the ITCS rule c. I'd say the intent is to only allow IT cars to mess around with the gauges and instruments.
Just my on interpretation.
Harry
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Agreed. This has been my operational definition for ages and nothing in the rules has changed.
There ARE a lot of cars out there that don't follow these rules, however.
K
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D/P
[This message has been edited by planet6racing (edited November 29, 2003).]
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That's the way I read it too. But, I've seen so many IT cars with the switches that I was beginning to wonder...
Well, that takes one thing off the list of things to do!
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
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So Bill, you've done the same thing I've done...walk around the paddock and roll eyes?? http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif
Yea, it's all little stuff, but it makes you wonder about little stuff in the engine, doesn't it?
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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]
