June LRP

[raffaelli]

Did I imagine registering today? Does not seem to be open amymore....

[StephenB]

I have been waiting for that to open up.I am hoping it's within my budget because I would love to get back to LRP very soon!

[Dano77]

The IT7 Crew is waiting as well. Apparently we are taking the show on the road. The schedule works out to one race a month at some pretty cool tracks.

Cant wait to get scared at LRP in the tunnel with no roof.

Dan 77 IT7

[gran racing]

When is the June race?

[Greg Amy]

In June.

[dickita15]

In June.
Are you sure?

[Dano77]

The june race at Lime Rock in june will be in June, on June 21ish

[Greg Amy]

Are you sure?
Yeah, pretty sure. But I'll check the Internet to be super-secret sure.

[gran racing]

Blah, blah, blah. :p Wasn't on the national site when I originally looked at the scheduling.

[Dano77]

Yeah, pretty sure. But I'll check the Internet to be super-secret sure.


Ahhhh its a beutiful thing when one crosses to the sarcastic dark side of IT7, Welcome home tGA.

Now go get your own car Dammit

[team-gpracing]

Where are these IT7 cars that are getting handed out and how do I get one?!?!? :D:eclipsee_steering:

[Raceman77]

could be another full field of 7's. yup the race is still in june sometime.

[Dano77]

Where are these IT7 cars that are getting handed out and how do I get one?!?!? :D:eclipsee_steering:


They are in NH,CT,VT you need to look,and not that hard either. 6 have passed thru my hands in the last year.

Trying to get my hands on another one now. To match the spare in the garage, not the rental, nor the 77 car.

There are no bugs anywher near my house.

[JLawton]

I'm REALLY hoping to be there to watch and hoping success hasn't gone to their head and I'll get my invite from "The 7" crowd to hang with them. :023:

[Dano77]

We drive RX7s, what are you saying. Of course you can hang. Dont bring the bike though. That could end badly for all parties involved.

Hopefully we can order better weather for that weekend. The snow was a bit much. 2 inches does terrible things to a canopy.

[MKB]

Jeff we all share one brain so................its hard to actually see if its gone to our heads!

[gran racing]

Will there be a LRP daycare on site for Friday? :) Trying to figure out how to attend but on Friday I'll have my son (5 yr old).

[Dano77]

Dave, My girls will be there as well. You and I will be in the same group. Im positive my girls will be happy to teach him what not to do at a race track during our sessions. Puddles, Tires, rocks etc

Bring your son, It will work itself out. Jaime and aunt Kim and others will all be there and we can watch him for the times we are all on track.

Later
Dan 77 IT7

Ps Isnt Jake going to be there, hes good with kids.........:blink:

[team-gpracing]

They are in NH,CT,VT you need to look,and not that hard either.



Dan, I don't want to BUY one. I have neighbors! What would they think!!! :D

[gran racing]

Jake would be fine with him. Now tGA? :blink: Thanks Dan! We'll see whose kid corrupts whose. lol

[Ed Funk]

Duct tape.

[lateapex911]

Later
Dan 77 IT7

Ps Isnt Jake going to be there, hes good with kids.........:blink:

Wow, pretty harsh for a guy thats never seen me with kids.
We won't mention the kids I "have" currently, nor the dozens I've coached, or taught to swim, or.....etc etc.etc...

[gran racing]

Friday: 16 minute qualifying sessions groups 1‐8; lunch break; afternoon: 12 lap or 15 minute qualifying sprints

Sat: 15 laps or 18 minute Regional races groups 1‐8 with grid set by fastest lap in either Friday qualifying; lunch break; then 15 laps or 18 minute Regional races with grid set by morning qualifying race finish position. This seems odd to me. Why wouldn't Sat's am race be set by the 14 min qual sprint? Then those results be used for Sat's pm race.

For the pm race, is that determined by the fri qual sprint? Or the Sat am race?

Overall, cool format! Like the several different race sessions and keeping them fairly short but not so much so.

[Dano77]

Wow, pretty harsh for a guy thats never seen me with kids.
We won't mention the kids I "have" currently, nor the dozens I've coached, or taught to swim, or.....etc etc.etc...


You are correct, I am sorry for judging to harshly. I was just going on what little interaction we have had over the last 20 years.

Now tGA, he seems to be getting comfortable with the 2 little monsters I call my own.

[Ed Funk]

Did he ask if the kids were happy drunks or mean drunks?

[Dano77]

Did he ask if the kids were happy drunks or mean drunks?


Who let you in here?????

[Ed Funk]

Thought this was the weekly support meeting of the Fat Old Guys. Sorry.

[Andy Bettencourt]

This seems odd to me. Why wouldn't Sat's am race be set by the 14 min qual sprint? Then those results be used for Sat's pm race.

For the pm race, is that determined by the fri qual sprint? Or the Sat am race?

Overall, cool format! Like the several different race sessions and keeping them fairly short but not so much so.

Saturday AM race set by Sprint, but by time, not position...why? Because you can't RACE on Fridays...

Sat PM race set by finish position of RACE Sat AM.

[gran racing]

You can't race on Fridays at LRP? Oh gesh, forgot where we are talking about. Any idea what the rationale is behind that?

[Dano77]

Original track charter. along with not allowing the Criminal Element/Hells Angels aka Bikes to race at Lime Rock

Things set in place in another time, still in place because "Its always been that way"

[lateapex911]

Well, lime rock IS in peoples back yards and it IS about 500' from main straight to a church, so....
When they agreed to allow events there, they came up with restrictions, which are essentially permanent that the track agreed to.

There have been many revisits of that agreement, but the local courts have help pretty firm.

[jimalley]

Can't imagine any caring mothers accepting the fact that their children would be in the same area as the 7 crowd:D

[ner88]

As long as the subject is June @ LRP.....
We/NER need to get our equipment trailer to the track.
NHMS to LRP on or before the event
contact me if you can help!

[Dano77]

Heres another issue. What time can we get into the track on thursday evening. Is it the same as in the past were we leave a lisence or something at the security shed.

Might be down after registration closes on Thursday evening.

[team-gpracing]

As long as the subject is June @ LRP.....
We/NER need to get our equipment trailer to the track.
NHMS to LRP on or before the event
contact me if you can help!

Bump for Jerry

[Alfa Mike]

I registered last week on Motor Sports Reg.

[mossaidis]

IT7 numbers are laggin behind the ITA numbers. tisk tisk. This is a disgrace compared to NHMS.

[Dano77]

The beauty of an IT7 is that once it works it stays working.

Unfortunatly that creates laziness, and that translates directly to entering.

I know we are all planning on attending with the exception of the To Hot Too Handle 62, Im still rebuilding that one.

We should have 7, and if Norm and Madison show that bumps the number to 9. No Special guest this week in the #7 car.

See you there,

Dan 77 IT7

[lawtonglenn]

Group 1 is shaping up nicely ... 5 ITB + 6 ITR + 6 ITS + 1 T4 = 18

um .... one of the ITR cars registered is Jim Taggart in a Lotus Exige, but I didn't see any Loti on the ITCS ITR chart ..

Taggart, Jim ITR 2006 Lotus Exige Taggart Autosport, Krugspeed Racing Cary, NC

http://www.taggartautosport.com/

Cary, NC – Among thousands of competitors...Jim Taggart...named the 2012 National SCCA Rookie of the Year.
Competing in a Lotus Exige in the STU class, Taggart qualified for the National Championship Run Offs
at Road America and won the Hard Charger award, finishing 6th and starting 22nd. For 2013, he plans a
Championship bid at the Run Offs and has also moved up to the pro ranks, competing in the Pirelli World
Challenge Championships.

Exige is listed in STU, T1, or T3 yes, but not in any IT classes ... am I missing something :shrug:

[Terry Hanushek]

Glenn


Exige is listed in STU, T1, or T3 yes, but not in any IT classes ... am I missing something :shrug:

Nope

I don't see it in the current (June 2013) GCR or the preliminary July preliminary Tech Bulletin.

Terry

[moto62]

IT7 numbers are laggin behind the ITA numbers. tisk tisk. This is a disgrace compared to NHMS.

Oh dang! I guess I should register.:D

[JLawton]

Anyone have two crew spots available?

[Raceman77]

jeff I got a couple.

JB

[vicktorvolpe]

has anyone talked to smartee? Trying to see if he will be at the track tomorrow or this weekend.

-Vick

[mossaidis]

Registrations are strong.

202 total at this point. SM leading with 26 entries, 18 for SM2, followed by ITA at 16, SRF at 15 and so forth. Surprising stronger than usual is EP at 10 entries!

Now, if we can get SM double dippers to stop cancelling their registrations for ITA/S, that would be nice.

[StephenB]

I am dropping out of ITR :( too much going on and not enough time off

[Greg Amy]

I am dropping out of ITR :( too much going on and not enough time off
Dude! Seriously! We won't protest you!!!

[StephenB]

Haha! I am actually buying a new (used) enclosed trailer to use with the rv. I can only get so many weekends off and this will make the races in the rest of the summer that much better. I really wish I could go since lime rock is one of the best weekends of the year! And I LOVE this format, just like the old "track time is king" event.

Stephen

[gran racing]

Also looking for two crew spots (or does a 5 year old not need one?) for Sat.

[Dave Zaslow]

Dave,

I'll put you on my list.

DZ

[Ed Funk]

15 B cars! IMHO, surpasses A (prolly 1/2 of which are Miatae DD). Almost wish I was gonna be there....but I'll lay on the beach and think about y'all.

[gran racing]

Thanks Dave!!!

[StephF]

I have crew space available if anyone needs it.

[team-gpracing]

Vick, Smarty will be there. I talked to him yesterday.

[Dano77]

Was discussing the weekend with the IT7 crew and found these guys

http://www.deanospizza.net/

They deliver to the track till 11pm. give them your car number and approximate location in the paddock. they will bring it to your camper.

YEAH BABY!!!!!!!! How easy can it get

[Tkczecheredflag]

I have crew space available if anyone needs it.

Steph - I would take a spot for me and Ken Schielke if it is still available.

[JLawton]

Steph - I would take a spot for me and Ken Schielke if it is still available.


Hey TIm, we'll have to hook up there. It's been awhile, eh?

[StephF]

Steph - I would take a spot for me and Ken Schielke if it is still available.

You got it.

[Tkczecheredflag]

You got it.
Thanks Steph!
See ya soon Jeff.

[jimalley]

Weather is looking favorable. Large run groups. A lot of good cars and strong competition. Looks like I have regretfully blown it when I withdrew:shrug: Who said you are suppose to be wiser as you get older:(

Everyone have a great weekend and make good decisions:023:

[mossaidis]

Why not re-register??!??! Do it!

[Dave Zaslow]

I'm out for this weekend as my wife is sick (and not just for marrying me).

Someone please help Dave get the 2 crew passes he's looking for.

Thanks,

DZ



Dave,

I'll put you on my list.

DZ

[gran racing]

No worries Dave; it's a really smart racing move on your behalf! Hope she's feeling better soon.

If anyone has two or even one pass, please let me know. Thanks!

[Greg Amy]

No worries Dave; it's a really smart racing move on your behalf! Hope she's feeling better soon.

If anyone has two or even one pass, please let me know. Thanks!
I have one left...I think Dick Patullo has a couple as well.

[itracer]

If anyone has two or even one pass, please let me know. Thanks!


I have plenty left, but I won't be there to change it until 9:00 AM on Friday.

LMK.

~Jason

[gran racing]

Cool, thanks! Jason, can you add me and my son Isaac? Not even sure he needs to be on a crew list since he's just 5 but... We won't be going till Sat so that works well. Thanks again. See you there.

[Greg Amy]

Cool, thanks! Jason, can you add me and my son Isaac? Not even sure he needs to be on a crew list since he's just 5 but... We won't be going till Sat so that works well. Thanks again. See you there.
Don't forget the minor waiver procedure...

[itracer]

Don't forget the minor waiver procedure...

He's OK because he is the father. Stricter rules apply when you are not the parent. I am bringing my nephew (and a notarized, signed by both parents, waiver).

[Greg Amy]

He's OK because he is the father. Stricter rules apply when you are not the parent. I am bringing my nephew (and a notarized, signed by both parents, waiver).
You sure? I heard that both parents have to sign; they can sign in front of the registrar, but if one's missing the other has to have a notarized signature? I don't know the details, I've just seen the confusion in line...

- Greg

[ner88]

I've asked this question directly to Naional and have never got an answer???
I'm pretty sure one parent can sign the releases at registration.
The track can always let you in for a small fee!
One can always contact the registrar of the event!

[itracer]

You sure? I heard that both parents have to sign; they can sign in front of the registrar, but if one's missing the other has to have a notarized signature? I don't know the details, I've just seen the confusion in line...

- Greg

It is always better to bring it signed by both. There seems to be some discretion :shrug:. I have signed for my son alone, but reading it to the letter of the doc, it does require both.

Interesting language though at the end implies that you do not need to have it notarized:
"I/WE FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FAILURE TO WITNESS OR NOTARIZE THIS AGREEMENT SHALL NOT AFFECT ITS VALIDITY." :blink:

[gran racing]

Weird. Have brought him many times before and this has never come up.

[lateapex911]

Looks like I need a crew pass as well, as my "supplier" bailed. Sat only. Willing to wrench!

[raffaelli]

Sad day.

[bamfp]

Sad day.


Why?

[gran racing]

Yeah, care to expand?

[rthiele]

Rumors say a fatal heart attack (in FV?). I do not have any further details. Sad.

[BruceG]

RIP
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Driver-Killed-at-Lime-Rock-Racing-Event-212579461.html
Link from yesterday.....looked like he never even hit the turn 1 apex...FV was not too far right of the escape road. Scary...I am 67,can no longer run due to an injury...but walk ever day...summer and winter..try to keep my weight reasonable. He was 70...don't know about his conditioning or weight...but we all know it was warm yesterday...add nomex,plus driver suit,balaclave,hemet..blah,blah...if you don't try to stay in shape and exercise......hell,180bph pulse...or whatever we get up to under driving stress,plus heat,increased blood pressure....who the hell knows! Cause of death not released yet,other than impact(obviously)...guess we may learn more later.

People make the comment...at least he dies doing what he loved. I would rather go after a nice dream in my sleep.

[BruceG]

should have also said that it could have been a steering or suspension failure...perhaps not enough time to get on the brakes.

[BruceG]

BTW:..first run group for FV,F500,NCF..the deceased,Jeff Bower was the slowest driver in the field...the only slower time was John A's F500 that crashed...and newbie F500 driver Ryan Soucy(thru no fault of his own). his first race in his new car...and the C clip on the right rear wheel broke...wheel and hub exited his car...Lap 1,turn 2.....felt so bad for him! Nice,smart guy who will be a great addition to their field.

[BruceG]

Just one more though..all small formula cars have tiny nose pods....hell...I couldn't even get my feet onto the pedals in my F500 unless I was wearing racing shoes..and that had no clutch...LOL.

It might be possible for a driver to downshift his VEE going into turn 1...and get his left foot caught under the brake pedal..hence head on into the tire barrier.

[supersmile]

Just one more though..all small formula cars have tiny nose pods....hell...I couldn't even get my feet onto the pedals in my F500 unless I was wearing racing shoes..and that had no clutch...LOL.

It might be possible for a driver to downshift his VEE going into turn 1...and get his left foot caught under the brake pedal..hence head on into the tire barrier.

Bruce,
I have no idea what happened to Jeff as I decided to skip Lime Rock and wasn't there, but his particular chassis has a very wide pedal box and your scenario would have been very unlikely. Anyway, he'd be braking while downshifting so his foot would have to be on the pedal, not under it.

[BruceG]

Bruce,
I have no idea what happened to Jeff as I decided to skip Lime Rock and wasn't there, but his particular chassis has a very wide pedal box and your scenario would have been very unlikely. Anyway, he'd be braking while downshifting so his foot would have to be on the pedal, not under it.

Thanks,Rob for your informed opinion. Everyone was thinking heart attack.....if he lost a front suspension piece or steering,might he still be able to brake enough to at least hit sideways, instead on straight on in...it is surely a puzzle...perhaps, the State Police,who were there for hrs were able to reconstruct his path,etc

[Andy Bettencourt]

Can we get some IT class reports? Pole sitters, winners and fast laps? Sweet weather.

[vicktorvolpe]

I think Blizzard won both ITA races, and Mickey came in second in both of them.

Abhi spent some time in contact impound. I think we all did actually. I went there twice for people using my bumper as brakes.

[moto62]

Can we get some IT class reports? Pole sitters, winners and fast laps? Sweet weather.

I beat Dano...lol!

[mossaidis]

Sat AM group 3 (ITA, IT7, EP, FP, HP, GTL, etc) race video has posted. Give it a few minutes so that the HD version becomes available.

NARRC @ LRP, 6/22/12 Race (AM) (https://vimeo.com/69008671)

69008671

Sat PM will be uploaded tomorrow morning.

[Greg Amy]

In-car from Sunday AM's STL race, chasing a very fast, well-driven ITS Miata. Twist at the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0ypt7GGjgQ

[JLawton]

Can we get some IT class reports? Pole sitters, winners and fast laps? Sweet weather.

As Victor said in ITA..... It was close in race one between Mickey and Brian but I think the second race Prod traffic snuffed Mickey's chances of catching him. As always, Brian ran a smart race

In race two, Abhi and Chris were swapping positions for third and fourth. But on the last lap they come together in the up hill an both went into the wall. Lots of damage to both. I think we need video to determine exactly what happened.

Times were 1:03s

interesting Race 1 in Big Bore. A Mustang II Cobra went wide coming out of Big Bend then hooked it across the track into the tires on the inside. Looks like he had some damage. Corner workers pushed him out, he started to pull behind the wall, then changed his mind and ended up going back onto the racing surface right in front of the leaders. Wish I had video because it was kinda crazy. I'm sure he got a stern talking to when he came in.

Coolest car of the weekend was a Lotus running STU and some other class (he was in with the ITS/R/B cars) It was fast!! Another cool car was the Subaru BRZ. Having driven one the day before in the PDX, and seeing how it ran in the races, I'm guessing it will be the car to have in T4

[JLawton]

In-car from Sunday AM's STL race, chasing a very fast, well-driven ITS Miata. Twist at the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0ypt7GGjgQ


Did I see that right? (hard to tell all the Miatas apart) He got balked by lapped traffic and you got him at the line? I couldn't see that from the Hill

[Greg Amy]

Did I see that right? (hard to tell all the Miatas apart) He got balked by lapped traffic and you got him at the line? I couldn't see that from the Hill
Not only "balked", but actively "blocked" by the red/white car (maybe that guy didn't know he was a leader coming through?) Jon drove quite well; had that not happened he would have won the race.

- GA

[Andy Bettencourt]

Did I see that right? (hard to tell all the Miatas apart) He got balked by lapped traffic and you got him at the line? I couldn't see that from the Hill

Yes sir! Never give up!

I saw the glass chip happen too. Sucks!

[mossaidis]

As Victor said in ITA..... It was close in race one between Mickey and Brian but I think the second race Prod traffic snuffed Mickey's chances of catching him. As always, Brian ran a smart race

In race two, Abhi and Chris were swapping positions for third and fourth. But on the last lap they come together in the up hill an both went into the wall. Lots of damage to both. I think we need video to determine exactly what happened.

Times were 1:03s

It was good to see Jeff Lawton in the paddock. It's been too long.

Morning Race summary: Started 12th in group, 5th in class with a qual time of 1:04.5. Track seemed slow in general on Friday. Finished 7th in group, 2nd in class. I passed Chris Raffaelli at the start. Brian Blizzard passed Wendell Holmes, who made contact with a Yellow EP Honda S2000 at the end of Big Bend. Wendell out. Eventually passed Abhi in no name and on the next lap Abhi tries a pass on the inside of turn 1, pinches his car and spins out (double 360's) and thankfully with no contact. Now running in second place behind Blizzard, we fight traffic and I could not get a clean to pass him, but could of should of... blah blah. I had fastest time of the class, 1.02.5, followed by Brian Blizzard at 1.03.3. Well deserved hand shake to Brian, nothing but a good race!!!

[mossaidis]

Can we get some IT class reports? Pole sitters, winners and fast laps? Sweet weather.

Do you have a smart phone? Many of us use Race Monitor for "real-time" and past event results. Of course, story telling on it.com is more fun :)

[Andy Bettencourt]

Do you have a smart phone? Many of us use Race Monitor for "real-time" and past event results. Of course, story telling on it.com is more fun :)

I do but never realized the software had a history option. I always thought that you could only see what was live or just finished.

[StephF]

You can access history two ways. During the event, select the "i" in the top and ask for race results. You can then selct which group and race you want.
After the event, you can select race results on the front page and go back and find them that way.

[Abhi]

In race two, Abhi and Chris were swapping positions for third and fourth. But on the last lap they come together in the up hill an both went into the wall. Lots of damage to both. I think we need video to determine exactly what happened.



Here is my in car video. Start watching at about the 19:15 mark.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_b64xo6yAdqT3pYcnAyamNoYnc/edit

Quite disappointed. I thought that I was holding my line and got taken out by an over aggressive move. Would like the opinion of the forum members.

The car is pretty bent, frame is twisted. Not sure how soon it will get fixed.

Abhi

[mossaidis]

Sorry about the trials and troubles Ahbi. It sucks for you, in general all involved and the ITA group as a whole. Chris' rocker panel didn't look too pretty either. I left LRP in a rush knowing I had to go upstate just to go to NYC again in the same evening otherwise I could have stopped by the trailer in B paddock to talk.

From your video it looks like you were holding your line though it is tough to tell when you are cresting over the hill due to the loss of reference points. Did Chris have video? Did anyone behind you have video of the race? What did the corner workers have to say?

[dazzlesa]

To me it looks like the Crx made a oops trying to pass you. It looks like the handling of your car had gone away. His in car would be useful. Sorry for the both of you

[gizmo83]

Would have made you proud Andy!! I was catching Abhi and Chris with a little faster times but not a lot of time left... and then they had the incident at the uphill. Not the best way to get third but... I got a mug!! Lots of traffic at every turn, but I am getting a little more aggressive. :happy204::happy204:

[Dano77]

Denise

You needed to be a lot more aggressive with the RX7 after race one. You did nothing wrong and got punted out of the way.

I was on the outside and saw the whole deal unfolding early. Chose to stay wwaaaayyyy wide and see if you could save it. Till he hit you a second time. Then it was game over.

Glad it wasent serious and you got a thrird in race 2. Good job

Dan 77 IT7

[gran racing]

Would be curious to see the other cars video Abhi. That seemed pretty straight forward from your perspective. Really sorry to hear about the damage.

Hey, does this mean I can borrow your motor? Kidding! Trying to make lite out of it but know getting a messed up car sucks...badly. Unless you're Andy and are selling the car. lol

[Andy Bettencourt]

We need more video to get the full picture. I've played enough arm-chair QB to understand that one video is simply not enough to see the whole story.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Would have made you proud Andy!! I was catching Abhi and Chris with a little faster times but not a lot of time left... and then they had the incident at the uphill. Not the best way to get third but... I got a mug!! Lots of traffic at every turn, but I am getting a little more aggressive. :happy204::happy204:


:eclipsee_steering::happy204:

[Andy Bettencourt]

You can access history two ways. During the event, select the "i" in the top and ask for race results. You can then selct which group and race you want.
After the event, you can select race results on the front page and go back and find them that way.

Awesome, thanks Steph!!!

[Andy Bettencourt]

Someone please tell me why 'we' would let a Lotus run in ITR..especially at the front...when the car is in no way eligible for the class. It doesn't make sense to me.

[awegrzyn]

Someone please tell me why 'we' would let a Lotus run in ITR..especially at the front...when the car is in no way eligible for the class. It doesn't make sense to me.

I'm sure the car could be eligible with proper weight. There are some nice machines on the ITR list in GCR.

[StephenB]

Tough to get around the turbo issue...

I thought it was a typo until this thread.

Stephen

[Andy Bettencourt]

I'm sure the car could be eligible with proper weight.

Huh?

[Andy Bettencourt]

Tough to get around the turbo issue...

I thought it was a typo until this thread.

Stephen

If it's a straight Exige then it's normally aspirated. But I'm baffled as to why a chassis not even classified would be allowed to run.

Having said that, maybe the paperwork is 'in process'. 177hp in the 2000-2003 cars then an ITR weight might be about 2540 (add for DW IRC).

190hp cars could get in at about 2720...

Any insight?

[lateapex911]

It actually ran in ITR?!?!?! I assumed it was an STU car. Whats with all the Loti just running anywhere they want? (Thinking about that one in NJ for the enduro, it was a Loti, wasn't it?? )

[awegrzyn]

There was no turbo in Lotus Exige. Supercharged only.
The Lotus at Lime Rock was a 2006 car. That is not 177hp, but 190.

At 2720 that would be 702lbs (minus driver) of ballast.

Nice to see newer cars in ITR.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Nice to see newer cars in ITR.

The point is that it ISN'T in ITR...so why let it run in ITR?

[awegrzyn]

Perhaps the guy came from far away and they allowed him to double dip in ITR. Don't know.

All I'm saying the car could fit into ITR if it fix it's insane weight problem somehow, but I don't know if that's even possible. That thing weights like 2000 lbs out of the dealer.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Perhaps the guy came from far away and they allowed him to double dip in ITR. Don't know.

All I'm saying the car could fit into ITR if it fix it's insane weight problem.

The only way it 'fit's' in ITR is AT those weights. IT is basically a power to weight class with some tweaks for outlying physical attributes. You start with 190hp and rwd, you are going to be in that neigborhood regardless of what the original weight of the car was.

[lateapex911]

Perhaps the guy came from far away and they allowed him to double dip in ITR. Don't know.

All I'm saying the car could fit into ITR if it fix it's insane weight problem somehow, but I don't know if that's even possible. That thing weights like 2000 lbs out of the dealer.
I would hope (and am sure) that tehy would not let him just run as an ITR car because he came from far away and wanted to double dip.
Here's why:
A top well developed car in ITR is a BMW E36. IT is specified to weigh at 2680 (or thereabouts?) so that it can compete with other similar cars, based on it's known race trm hp and other physical characteristics. It had 189 hp stock, IIRC.
So, if a car comes in with the same stock power, how fair would it be to throw it in to ITR to race against guys who have ballasted their cars to 2680, when teh car in question weighs 2000??

If I you were the BMW guy, wouldn't you be ripping mad if they did that??

[StephF]

I read someplace, and I think it maybe was Dick P who said it, but they decided to allow him to double dip in ITR but that he would receive no points for it.
I don't know if they would use the normal amount of points for second or if second place would get the same amount they would for a win?
I guess if the car is driven well, doesn't impact the other cars in class then I can understand the logic of allowing it once, but not on a regular basis.
That was a gorgeous car.

[dickita15]

I read someplace, and I think it maybe was Dick P who said it, but they decided to allow him to double dip in ITR but that he would receive no points for it.
I don't know if they would use the normal amount of points for second or if second place would get the same amount they would for a win?
I guess if the car is driven well, doesn't impact the other cars in class then I can understand the logic of allowing it once, but not on a regular basis.
That was a gorgeous car.

It was not me Steph. I don’t know anything about the Lotus. That said a non-compliant car cannot beat a compliant car. If the guy gets no points or trophies and the Stewards do not think the guy will screw up anyone’s race I can live with it.
Maybe we need a class call DNFAE (does not fit anywhere else) at regionals.

[ner88]

It was not me Steph. I don’t know anything about the Lotus. That said a non-compliant car cannot beat a compliant car. If the guy gets no points or trophies and the Stewards do not think the guy will screw up anyone’s race I can live with it.
Maybe we need a class call DNFAE (does not fit anywhere else) at regionals.
Its called ITE! or SPO or SPU:shrug:

[vicktorvolpe]

Here is my in car video. Start watching at about the 19:15 mark.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_b64xo6yAdqT3pYcnAyamNoYnc/edit

Quite disappointed. I thought that I was holding my line and got taken out by an over aggressive move. Would like the opinion of the forum members.

The car is pretty bent, frame is twisted. Not sure how soon it will get fixed.

Abhi

Wow that's a hard hit abhi. Sorry to see that.

[Greg Amy]

Its called ITE! or SPO or SPU:shrug:
'Zactly. That's why my STL car ended up double-dipping in ITEverything this weekend...

[dickita15]

Its called ITE! or SPO or SPU:shrug:

Jerry I was being a bit tongue and cheek however the problem with your examples is SPO and ITE tends to be in the big bore group which may not be right for a lot of cars and SPU requires GT or Prod safety gear.
I am not sure it is worth the trouble but if we had an IT safety level catch all class in each of the race groups then they could just stick these oddballs in the group where they fit best.

[team-gpracing]

Its called ITE! or SPO or SPU:shrug:

Exactly!


Abhi, looks pretty clear to me too. I suppose I could be missing something though. Sucks. Sorry bud.

[Greg Amy]

....ITE tends to be in the big bore group which may not be right for a lot of cars..
'Nother good point. The speed differential between me in my Integra and Jack Busch in his GT-1 car (and John Branscombe in the SPO) was...well, let's call it "noticeable". But low car count, plenty of track to go around, and seriously excellent heads-up blue-flagging negated conflicts.

- GA

[JLawton]

Here is my in car video. Start watching at about the 19:15 mark.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_b64xo6yAdqT3pYcnAyamNoYnc/edit

Quite disappointed. I thought that I was holding my line and got taken out by an over aggressive move. Would like the opinion of the forum members.

The car is pretty bent, frame is twisted. Not sure how soon it will get fixed.

Abhi

I agree with Andy. Although it looks straight forward, I've seen similar incidents where after the fact a video from behind popped up and changed the whole perspective. The bottom line, it was a tough incident to two good guys who race well. Hopefully in the long run you guys can shake hands and respect each other again.


Would have made you proud Andy!! I was catching Abhi and Chris with a little faster times but not a lot of time left... and then they had the incident at the uphill. Not the best way to get third but... I got a mug!! Lots of traffic at every turn, but I am getting a little more aggressive. :happy204::happy204:

As I said to Steve while we were watching you from the tower, "wow!! she grew some balls!!" :lol: I know, not a nice thing to say about a lady but it is a compliment!! I do want to see the video of you splitting the cars going into Big Bend in race 2. That was an awesome move!!

And congrats on your first podium. Don't feel bad about how you got it. You worked hard, drove hard and were there at the end!!

[mossaidis]

As I said to Steve while we were watching you from the tower, "wow!! she grew some balls!!" :lol: I know, not a nice thing to say about a lady but it is a compliment!! I do want to see the video of you splitting the cars going into Big Bend in race 2. That was an awesome move!!

And congrats on your first podium. Don't feel bad about how you got it. You worked hard, drove hard and were there at the end!!

They are called... "ovaries" Jeff :) Congrats DENISE!!!

[lawtonglenn]

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Here is video from the Saturday Morning (Race 1/2) ITR/ITS/ITB/T4 race:



Starting third in class (3 ITR E36s in front), I got a good start to lead most of the race.
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2nd (Jon Farbman) and 3rd (Richard Bennett ) stayed very close behind me every lap.
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All 3 of us threaded the needle between two lapped ITB Rabbits (see video starting at 8:37)
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Then we came upon Dan Flynn in a lapped ITS Datsun 240z (see video starting at 10:39)
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I tried to set a pick, but was pinched off on DL before the uphill, all 4 of us very close through downhill.
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Then the 240z bobbles at the apex of the downhill...I thought it was going to be a real 4 car disaster!!!
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Got on the brakes to avoid, no contact, got by him, almost scraped Farbman as he and Bennett passed me
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The 240z ends up tankslapping and goes off DL (see mirror)
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I was unable to catch up as our times were so very close, and so I finished 3rd
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Congrats to Jon Farbman on a great ITS win!


https://vimeo.com/69098773

http://vimeo.com/lawtonglenn

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[gizmo83]

Thanks guys...I do take it as a compliment Jeff! I was in the Navy for 4 years back in the day when women were not really accepted yet and on top of that I was an electrician!! There is not a lot you can say......but I really did race for that third!!
Dan, Norm kind a punted me on the first turn, first lap but I got back over 14 positions and found my courage!! It's all good.:023:

[StephenB]

Denis sounds like you should join http://steelovarynation.com/sample-page/ ! Sounds line you had a great weekend!

Stephen

[lawtonglenn]

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Here is video from the Saturday Afternoon (Race 2/2) ITR/ITS/ITB/T4 race:

Started second in class (3 ITR E36s in front)
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Travis Washay (Yellow ITB Golf) gapped the start and didn't get caught :)
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With Travis between us, Jon Farbman increased his lead
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The rest of the video is rather boring, except in the mirror
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Richard Bennett stayed within striking distance the whole race, and on the last lap tried an outside pass after the uphill
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He couldn't make it happen though, so we finished Farbman/Lawton/Bennett
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Congrats to Jon Farbman on a another great ITS win!


https://vimeo.com/69166057 (Race 2/2)

https://vimeo.com/69098773 (Race 1/2)

http://vimeo.com/lawtonglenn (46 videos)

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[mossaidis]

More video from my in-car camera. PM Race. Except for 9:55 and 16:30, this race was not as exciting and certainly slower than the morning one. The track had a slowness about it in the afternoon which would have required shock adjustments for me to go any faster and better head on my shoulders and... less traffic could have helped to, blah blah.

https://vimeo.com/69186117

FULL DISCLAIMER: Bob Dowie has emailed me and apologized about his move coming out of turn 2 at 9:55. Shit happens and thankfully no harm was done.

FULL DISCLAIMER #2: I did not hit Dick at 16:30... that was all Dick. :)

[dickita15]

More video from my in-car camera. PM Race. Except for 9:55 and 16:30, this race was not as exciting and certainly slower than the morning one. The track had a slowness about it in the afternoon which would have required shock adjustments for me to go any faster and better head on my shoulders and... less traffic could have helped to, blah blah.

https://vimeo.com/69186117

FULL DISCLAIMER: Bob Dowie has emailed me and apologized about his move coming out of turn 2 at 9:55. Shit happens and thankfully no harm was done.

FULL DISCLAIMER #2: I did not hit Dick at 16:30... that was all Dick. :)
No it was not you Mickey, it was all me. Car was getting loose and I tried to pinch it left as I had gotten a little off line. Two spins in a weekend, very unusual.
By the way I think you told me this event made it a full year since you hit anyone. What is the statute of limitation on being “that guy”.

[Greg Amy]

What is the statute of limitation on being “that guy”.
From experience: over a quarter century.

And counting.

- GA

[mossaidis]

It is 1 year for those that know me, maybe 2 for those that don't know me? Or the other way around?

Wait, actually Jeff Lawton stopped by this weekend and shook hands... ok, so it's one year. :)

[mossaidis]

From experience: over a quarter century.

And counting.

- GA

Isn't there a FB group called "Joe DiMinnio hit my race car"?

Now for false starts... it might be 5 years.

[lateapex911]

Thanks guys...I do take it as a compliment Jeff! I was in the Navy for 4 years back in the day when women were not really accepted yet and on top of that I was an electrician!! There is not a lot you can say......but I really did race for that third!!
Dan, Norm kind a punted me on the first turn, first lap but I got back over 14 positions and found my courage!! It's all good.:023:

That Norm!! Can't trust the IT7 guys anymore, I guess Denise! (note that I never so much as rubbed the wax off your car with mine ;) )

[dickita15]

(note that I never so much as rubbed the wax off your car with mine ;) )

oh did you used to race Jake.

[mossaidis]

(toilet flush)

[lateapex911]

oh did you used to race Jake.
So easy to forget, LOL.

[JLawton]

Wait, actually Jeff Lawton stopped by this weekend and shook hands... ok, so it's one year. :)

:p

Hey, I was good by the following Monday.


Yeah, for really, REALLY funny false starts with video............ Oh boy......... that might be awhile!!

https://vimeo.com/43867790



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[gran racing]

I saw that the other day on YouTube and initially thought, damn Mickey's car has absolutely crazy power! lol

Good for you Mickey on the non-contact. I honestly think you'll find this more enjoyable and people will race you nicer.

[Matt Rowe]

Good for you Mickey on the non-contact. I honestly think you'll find this more enjoyable and people will race you nicer.

Really? I was thinking that he must be a push over now and (if I could actually catch him) he would be an easy mark. :D

[mossaidis]

then the 240z bobbles at the apex of the downhill...i thought it was going to be a real 4 car disaster!!!
.
got on the brakes to avoid, no contact, got by him, almost scraped farbman as he and bennett passed me
.
the 240z ends up tankslapping and goes off dl (see mirror)



holy farkin sneikies!

[mossaidis]

In-car from Sunday AM's STL race, chasing a very fast, well-driven ITS Miata. Twist at the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0ypt7GGjgQ

You lucky...

[YusufA]

Here are the photos from last weekend.

http://abudiphotography.com/lime-rock-june-21-2013/
http://abudiphotography.com/lime-rock-june-22-2013/

Enjoy.

[raffaelli]

Abhi,
Thanks for posting the video. My go pro stopped as I was getting in the car which is very unfortunate as the race we had up to the contact was the most fun I have had so far in the car yet.

What I thought happened at contact is not what is on your video. I had been watching you push wide on most turns post apex. I thought that if I could duck inside, beat you up the hill I could use Dick P to box you in at west bend and drag race you to the checkered. What I did not count on is how much my car would move drivers left when it got light at the top of the hill. It moved much more than normal because of my speed and line. Lesson learned. Please accept my apology, I feel horrible about damage to your car. It is unfortunate that such a great race resulted that way.

I am glad we had a chance to speak on the phone to clear the air. I look forward to getting on track with you again.



Here is my in car video. Start watching at about the 19:15 mark.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_b64xo6yAdqT3pYcnAyamNoYnc/edit

Quite disappointed. I thought that I was holding my line and got taken out by an over aggressive move. Would like the opinion of the forum members.

The car is pretty bent, frame is twisted. Not sure how soon it will get fixed.

Abhi

[team-gpracing]

Great shots as always Yusuf! It's almost like I was there!

[YusufA]

Thanks Sterling. I'm glad you enjoyed them!

[Abhi]

Abhi,

I am glad we had a chance to speak on the phone to clear the air. I look forward to getting on track with you again.

Chris

I want to thank you for reaching out. I gained a lot of respect for you for doing that.

Look forward to racing with you in the future, except I won't let you get that close to me. :D

Best Regards

Abhi

[jimalley]

Someone is getting a little cocky:D

[benspeed]

Nice to see that professionally sorted out - our club benefits from seeing this.

[lateapex911]

Agreed. Extremely stand up of Chris. Some guys might apologize privately, but standing up and taking public heat is to be lauded. When i saw the damage, and not seeing the actual hit, it sure looked like Chris was very far alongside, so the question was who moved which way. Glad it has been sorted, and kudos to the two of you for sorting it out civilly.

[team-gpracing]

Agreed. I wanted to let Abhi reply before I said anything, but definitely a stand up move. An honest apology goes a long way in repairing racing incidents. Classy by you both.

[Knestis]

Wow. What just happened here?

An EXAMPLE, that's what. "Well done!" to all involved.

K

[gran racing]

Agreed. Looking forward to racing with you both.