Acura Integra build..

[gizmo83]

GCR confirmation:
1991 ITA Acura Integra:
Are rear ajustable bushing camber kits legal?
Are front camber plates legal?
Just wanted someone to confirm what we are reading!
Thanks for the help!
Denise

[Andy Bettencourt]

GCR confirmation:
1991 ITA Acura Integra:
Are rear ajustable bushing camber kits legal?
Are front camber plates legal?
Just wanted someone to confirm what we are reading!
Thanks for the help!
Denise

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[JeffYoung]

Yes and yes.

[bamfp]

Jeff the front end is double a arm so no on the camber plates.

[Greg Amy]

Be careful on the "yes" for rear camber adjustment "bushings". Technically, Jeff's right, but Denise is new to the Integra; she may misinterpret the (non-compliant) aftermarket upper adjustable rear links (http://store.skunk2.com/suspension-tuning/rear-camber-kits/rear-camber-kit.html) as "bushings". And, the only "camber plates" I'm aware of for this car are ones such as these (http://store.skunk2.com/suspension-tuning/front-camber-kits/pro-series-plus-front-camber-kits.html), which are based on modified stock upper arms and are also non-compliant in IT.

However, anything that replaces just the bushings and makes no mods to the arms (except for spot welds) is compliant. There's a guy on RRAX, handle "chris", that makes a nice set of sphericals for the car. I'm running his stuff on the STL Integra, good quality and a decent price.

Denise, you need to come over to my house with a 6-pack and we'll walk you through the Integra chassis with it on the lift. I can give you a good overview of the car and point out what may be compliant and non-compliant in IT. Other good sources for this info is Tim Klvana and Geoff Branscombe.

GA

[mossaidis]

Denise, Greg is correct. If it's easier, I can stop by upstate on my way to Saratoga Friday or on the way down to NYC on Sunday and go over the car as well. Mickey

[gizmo83]

Mickey and Greg,
Your input would be invaluable at this point!
We are getting roll cage work done right now and the car should be home next Sunday. After that we need to rework all suspension and then exhaust before April. The only car we have any knowledge on, and that was trial and error, is the escort which is all out the window now! We are trying to form a shopping list based on priority and financial responsibility.
That is why the questions are starting...
Where do you live Greg?
Denise

[Greg Amy]

South of Hartford...

[JeffYoung]

Looks like I should leave the Acura build advice to the experts - I ASSumed that the car had front struts, sorry guys. Yes, if double wishbone then camber plates are a no-no.

[Xian]

Yep, good (and accurate) info here. :)

Another +1 for the sphericals from Chris Brinson (kingpinmachine.com).

Christian

[lateapex911]

Looks like I should leave the Acura build advice to the experts - I ASSumed that the car had front struts, sorry guys. Yes, if double wishbone then camber plates are a no-no.

Jeff, jeff, Jeff, LOL. Honda double wishbones! They were a mainstay of the Honda line up for years. Honda fanbois are leaving the club in droves now, lamenting Hondas corporate switch to cheaper (and worse) suspension designs. The double wishbone is the rallying cry.

[mossaidis]

Even late-model acuras typically have DW fronts. So, I guess we (Honda/Acura racers) have some options, though typically more up front $ for late models.

[Xian]

The Integra's last year was 01. Their replacement (the RSX) has some of the shittiest design work to come out of Honda.

The Civic went to struts about 10 years ago too.

Not any new Hondas out there with the same mojo as the old ones...

Christian

[Tkczecheredflag]

Be careful on the "yes" for rear camber adjustment "bushings". Technically, Jeff's right, but Denise is new to the Integra; she may misinterpret the (non-compliant) aftermarket upper adjustable rear links (http://store.skunk2.com/suspension-tuning/rear-camber-kits/rear-camber-kit.html) as "bushings". And, the only "camber plates" I'm aware of for this car are ones such as these (http://store.skunk2.com/suspension-tuning/front-camber-kits/pro-series-plus-front-camber-kits.html), which are based on modified stock upper arms and are also non-compliant in IT.

However, anything that replaces just the bushings and makes no mods to the arms (except for spot welds) is compliant. There's a guy on RRAX, handle "chris", that makes a nice set of sphericals for the car. I'm running his stuff on the STL Integra, good quality and a decent price.

Denise, you need to come over to my house with a 6-pack and we'll walk you through the Integra chassis with it on the lift. I can give you a good overview of the car and point out what may be compliant and non-compliant in IT. Other good sources for this info is Tim Klvana and Geoff Branscombe.

GA
Denise - I have a bushing source as well (Tom Blaney)- drop me a PM and I will send you my number and discuss.

[wepsbee]

Greg, Mickey, Jake I also will be driving an Acura this season and would appreciate any
training or info you have.
I would also like to partake of the "afternoon beer/suspension schooling" offer.

[Greg Amy]

C'mon over any time...

[mossaidis]

Greg, Mickey, Jake I also will be driving an Acura this season and would appreciate any
training or info you have.
I would also like to partake of the "afternoon beer/suspension schooling" offer.

Call my hotline baby...

[gizmo83]

Gee Mickey, I didn't get an offer like that.....

[Dano77]

Why dont one of you just buy Ray Lee Chee's Integra,proven car and then he can go get another RX7.

And lose to me yet again HAHAHAHAHA:dead_horse:


Yes its self serving but we need more cars in IT7

[wepsbee]

Why dont one of you just buy Ray Lee Chee's Integra,proven car and then he can go get another RX7.

And lose to me yet again HAHAHAHAHA:dead_horse:


Yes its self serving but we need more cars in IT7
Sorry, Geoff B. had one laying around he did not need anymore!!

[JLawton]

Sorry, Geoff B. had one laying around he did not need anymore!!

You bought Branscombe's?? i didn't realize that. I bet you paid a LOT more for it than what I sold the Saturn for! ;)


it is a good car (Geoff's that is) You have NO excuses now. if you're not running up front it's because of YOU, not the car!! :D

[CRallo]

You are BOTH switching to Honda?! Wow, y'all really did throw the Escorts out the window!

[gizmo83]

Wow, Harsh Mr Lawton...Glad I didn't buy Geoff's car!!!:)

[wepsbee]

You bought Branscombe's?? i didn't realize that. I bet you paid a LOT more for it than what I sold the Saturn for! ;)


it is a good car (Geoff's that is) You have NO excuses now. if you're not running up front it's because of YOU, not the car!! :D
Which is exactly why I would purchase a built, quality car....Now there will be
no question and I now have a chance against the likes of you!!!!!!!:D

[wepsbee]

You are BOTH switching to Honda?! Wow, y'all really did throw the Escorts out the window!
We did what we could with what we had..time to move up with the big boys!!

[wepsbee]

Wow, Harsh Mr Lawton...Glad I didn't buy Geoff's car!!!:)
Thats OK the next time I get a video of Jeff leaving the track it will be in my rear view
mirror instead of through the windshield:happy204:

[moto62]

Why dont one of you just buy Ray Lee Chee's Integra,proven car and then he can go get another RX7.

Waaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiit! What??? Noooooo, car is not for sale. The struts will be soon though(for those who are shopping)


And lose to me yet again HAHAHAHAHA:dead_horse:
Lay off that bad juju man. You are as confused as a cow on astro turf.:D


Yes its self serving but we need more cars in IT7[/quote]


Sorry, Geoff B. had one laying around he did not need anymore!!

Goeff's car is top shelf. That was a good buy.:023:

....and this is my first post on here in a very long time:happy204:

[lateapex911]

I thought dano went prod fishing?
Ok guys: where did the fords go?
And one new car is branscombs acura. Whats the other?

[Tkczecheredflag]

From my perspective "learning" to drive my TEG had its' "curves". Coming from a slower class "C" car presented it's challenges. I hated my car when I first started competing in "A". My advice - go slow to get fast. I started to smile after my third or fourth event - take your time, it will pay dividends later. You don't have to justify your car to anyone except yourself - all the teasing aside the "kill stickers" will come - be patient.

[mossaidis]

I thought dano went prod fishing?
Ok guys: where did the fords go?
And one new car is branscombs acura. Whats the other?

It was Chip's a mohud guy from delmar, NY

http://www.improvedtouring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26872

[lateapex911]

Jeebus. Started at $7K, then worked his way down to asking $3900.
That's short money for a pretty decent car! (and who knows what the actual sale price was!)

yea, buy, don't build!

[R2 Racing]

Jeebus. Started at $7K, then worked his way down to asking $3900.
That's short money for a pretty decent car! (and who knows what the actual sale price was!)

yea, buy, don't build!
Because $3900 is what it was worth. It was a good looking chassis, but that car had nothing else going for it. Will take a lot more money to get it anywhere close to a top-notch Integra. Engine, tranny, cage, shocks, springs, bars, bushings etc all need completely re-done or replaced. But, the Integra is a known quantity at least, and these things can all be had without too much fuss - just takes money. It's a good starter car, to get an ass in the seat and on the track gaining experience, but that's why it went for a starter car price.

[gizmo83]

Because $3900 is what it was worth. It was a good looking chassis, but that car had nothing else going for it. Will take a lot more money to get it anywhere close to a top-notch Integra. Engine, tranny, cage, shocks, springs, bars, bushings etc all need completely re-done or replaced. But, the Integra is a known quantity at least, and these things can all be had without too much fuss - just takes money. It's a good starter car, to get an ass in the seat and on the track gaining experience, but that's why it went for a starter car price.

You are exactly right! Cage just got completely redone and made legal!
Brakes, rotors, clutch and bushings are here and the list to order gets bigger by the day! We are currently gathering information from the people 'in the know' regarding suspension and the exhaust is almost non-existent!
As far as 'where are the Fords', I might be starting the season in mine due to the time and money needed to get the Teg ready!
We are trying to remember the "take it slow to go fast" advice, any helpful hints are priceless!
1991 Integra LS from 1991 Ford Escort GT!

[Dano77]

Dano is going Prod Racing as soon as his boss lets him. Thats the tough part when you become self employed.



But The car is still in IT7 Trim as I cant seem to find the ambition to get to work on it yet. May show up at a regional or 2,or a Hillclimb,or Rally NY Tarmac event. Lots to do,yet no money to do it all yet.

Dan

[moto62]

Dano is going Prod Racing as soon as his boss lets him. Thats the tough part when you become self employed.
Dan

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This thread is for Honda/Acura peeps...:D

[mossaidis]

Lmfo!

[Dano77]

Cant we all just get along, Sniff sniff

Dan-o Mazda Guy aka Rotard:D

[moto62]

Cant we all just get along, Sniff sniff

Dan-o Mazda Guy aka Rotard:D

No prob bro-tary man. Keep your car in IT-7. Never mind that prod stuff.

Sorry for the thread jack Denise but I had to put Dano in his place. Now back to building a proper car. I am also available for any questions about Integra builds.:023:

[CRallo]

a proper daily driver MAYBE... for the track FWD is WWD! :D



No prob bro-tary man. Keep your car in IT-7. Never mind that prod stuff.

Sorry for the thread jack Denise but I had to put Dano in his place. Now back to building a proper car. I am also available for any questions about Integra builds.:023:

[moto62]

a proper daily driver MAYBE... for the track FWD is WWD! :D

Maybe so but they are usually at the pointy end of the field......:D

[gizmo83]

The next question for those in the know...
Koni shocks has a PDQ Mounting eye for the 3011/3012 series.
It allows for bump damping adjustment without removing the shock.
It is an add-on that changes the piston rod attachment to fit into a disk instead of threading it directly into the eye.
Is this legal in ITA?
This would be a mounting point, so the addition of the mounting eye might actually change the original mounting point??