View Full Version : Are SUVs/Crossovers/Vans legal in IT racing?
I ask this, because I plan on using an Acura ZDX, because it's the only car I really am comfortable going over 100 in, and it's the only car I'm really familiar with in terms of driving. I have the March copy of the GCR, but I'm still confused as to what types of vehicles can enter.
thanks,
-ZDX.
Simon T.
03-22-2011, 10:12 AM
No, you can't use the ZDX and to my knowledge you can't use vans or SUVs. There are more knowledagable people here that I'm sure can help!
Is there any aftermarket support for the ZDX? I'd imagine even if you wanted to modify it for even track day use or some type of unlimited class finding race parts, getting the cage built, and all of that may make a pretty expensive race car without much of a real class to play in.
The IT rules start on page 385 of the GCR. Including a list of vehicles and their class at the end. There is also a rule on the year of the vehicle:
"Cars from the previous four (4) model years and the current model year
will not be eligible. No car older than a 1968 model of any listed vehicle
will be accepted for Improved Touring competition. Turbocharged/Supercharged
cars are not eligible for Improved Touring competition. Cars need
not be eligible for state license or registration."
I actually just scanned through the GCR, and realized I was looking in the wrong class. I realized that I should actually be entering in an ST class. I'm thinking STO. There's a custom car shop here in Houston, TX that does pretty much everything, and they'll even fabricate stuff for cars that have no available aftermarket parts. I do plan on having another car for ITR, so I'm not going to be leaving these forums anytime soon.
tnord
03-22-2011, 10:36 AM
racing a ZDX? that is quite possibly the WORST idea i've ever heard of.
Simon T.
03-22-2011, 10:40 AM
racing a ZDX? that is quite possibly the WORST idea i've ever heard of.
Yeah it doesn't make sense to me either but I do enjoy seeing strange creations on track. lol
CRallo
03-22-2011, 11:43 AM
Not only is it a crossover, its proly not available with a manual trans... So it will never be legal unless you have a disability and get it approved :/
In regards to getting on the track: have you done any trackdays or PDX's yet? Any autocross? IMHO you should do a few of those with the ZDX, cuz that's what you know and then go from there...
You should check out Dave Gran's website and/or buy his book. It will REALLY help guide you into the sport! I believe it is www.goaheadtakethewheel.com
you can always convert to manual, though, right? I just went on the site, and I epic raged when I saw it had a 6-speed auto. I will at some point race with a ZDX no matter what, but I might have to do some major mods to it first. One thing I really want is one of those LeMans-style button-shift transmissions, but they're prolly not legal for ST-class, so crap.
also, double crap, because apparently the only current Acura model that gets a manual transmission is the ass-ugly TL. while I am a TL fan, I don't really like the new one, so if I do go with a new car for a racecar, I hope it'll be a ZDX, even if the TL is prolly 5x faster.
and NO U, tnord.
erlrich
03-22-2011, 12:59 PM
Are you possibly confusing wheel-to-wheel racing with HPDE (High Performance Driving Experience) or PDX (Performance Driving Experience)? Are you really thinking of butchering a $40k+ SUV to go racing (never mind the fact that it's only available as an automatic, and therefore would not be legal for any class)? I would suggest you spend about 1/10th the cost of that and get one of the numerous already built ITA/ITB cars listed on this or other sites. Then when you stuff it into a tire wall you will only cry 1/10th as much :D
hey, I do stupid crap sometimes, so don't judge me. nobody said anything about making it manual, so can I or not?
Tom Donnelly
03-22-2011, 01:08 PM
racing a ZDX? that is quite possibly the WORST idea i've ever heard of.
I'm sorry but I'll have to agree with this.
Tom Donnelly
03-22-2011, 01:09 PM
hey, I do stupid crap sometimes, so don't judge me. nobody said anything about making it manual, so can I or not?
No. And do stupid crap with cheaper stuff. Its just as much fun and costs less.
And nobody is judging you, just trying to save you some heartache we've all been through before.
JoshS
03-22-2011, 01:19 PM
Are you possibly confusing wheel-to-wheel racing with HPDE (High Performance Driving Experience) or PDX (Performance Driving Experience)? Are you really thinking of butchering a $40k+ SUV to go racing (never mind the fact that it's only available as an automatic, and therefore would not be legal for any class)? I would suggest you spend about 1/10th the cost of that and get one of the numerous already built ITA/ITB cars listed on this or other sites. Then when you stuff it into a tire wall you will only cry 1/10th as much :D
On the unlikely possibility that this thread is even for real, let me repeat this again.
Do you have any sort of motorsport experience at all? You can take your ZDX autocrossing, and you can do it without spending $1K+ on safety gear for you and $3K+ on safety gear for the car (that will permanently make it no longer appropriate for street use).
The ZDX is not likely to be allowed in SCCA Club Racing anytime soon. It's an automatic-transmission crossover SUV.
lateapex911
03-22-2011, 01:57 PM
Ooooo! A sequential shift ZDX! I've wanted one of those in the worst way forever! Even though it would be more expensive to build than a Porsche GT3 club racer, I wouldn't feel safe over 100mph in the Porsche!
The ZDX is clearly the racecar of the future!
Simon T.
03-22-2011, 02:00 PM
Ooooo! A sequential shift ZDX! I've wanted one of those in the worst way forever! Even though it would be more expensive to build than a Porsche GT3 club racer, I wouldn't feel safe over 100mph in the Porsche!
The ZDX is clearly the racecar of the future!
LOL
To answer your manual conversion question, anything can be done, but expect to have spent more than a nice Porsche race car costs for no performance.
I think we're being played with here. :shrug::p
I'm serious about this thread completely, and anyway, it's all theoretical. I might actually enter with something like a Chevy Tahoe, or BMW X3. I'm just trying to see if an SUV/crossover would actually be legit for racing. Laugh all you want guys, I'm just trying to see if it's at all possible. If so, I'll do it, if not, I'll drop it.
--EDIT--
Ooooo! A sequential shift ZDX! I've wanted one of those in the worst way forever! Even though it would be more expensive to build than a Porsche GT3 club racer, I wouldn't feel safe over 100mph in the Porsche!
The ZDX is clearly the racecar of the future!
*sigh* I just HAD to get trolled this bad, huh? Geez... If I'm going to be messed with this bad, I'm just going to go with it, and if the ZDX can't race, I'll just enter it on Pikes Peak and be done with it.
spawpoet
03-22-2011, 02:09 PM
I'm serious about this thread completely, and anyway, it's all theoretical. I might actually enter with something like a Chevy Tahoe, or BMW X3. I'm just trying to see if an SUV/crossover would actually be legit for racing. Laugh all you want guys, I'm just trying to see if it's at all possible. If so, I'll do it, if not, I'll drop it.
It's not at all possible.
mossaidis
03-22-2011, 02:16 PM
So where do you live? There may someone that we can refer you to in your area. I once thought about bringing my Jeep Wrangler to a RallyCross event and thought ugh, that would be fun. I have heard of regions building small 4x2 pickups into IT prep levels and scoring high on the fun card. But a BMW x3? Chevy Tahoe??? have you ever heard of "top heavy"? it's fine on some objects, but not others. You should try SCCK - Sports Car Club of Kazakhstan.
meh.
my original idea of a Volvo V70R might actually fly.
-EDIT--
@mossaidis, I live in Houston, TX. If I get flamed for wanting to race a wagon, then I'm done.
Russ Myers
03-22-2011, 02:17 PM
And you guys thought Volve IT cars were tanks.
Russ
And you guys thought Volve IT cars were tanks.
Russ
uhh... what?
mossaidis
03-22-2011, 02:25 PM
@mossaidis, I live in Houston, TX. If I get flamed for wanting to race a wagon, then I'm done.
No not flaming... and pls don't mind the "Aprils fools joke" commentary. Sometimes IT racers aren't that popular with the rest of the SCCA community, so we expect some "jokes".
SUV are a clear no-no in SCCA just cause they are way top-heavy. Wagons are greyer items in the realm of top heavy, yet SCCA takes a approach that again, it's top heavy in which safety is a greater concern over inclusion of folks that want to race wagons. Hatch are small wagons and don't have the top-heavy nature that most wagons have, so they are in general concerned "fine" to race. Some HPDE/PDX clubs like BMWCCA allow you to track wagons, but racing them is usally a different story. if you have the time, look for "eccentric" race clubs in your area that will allow to bring your idea to table and if you have the money to build it, let us know how it goes.
thanks. I will somehow get a ZDX to a track in the future, though.
mossaidis
03-22-2011, 02:34 PM
Start with local auto-cross events.
http://www.houscca.com/
Next, contact your local BMWCCA HPDE coordinator about tracking it.
http://www.houston-bmwcca.com/portal/
I'd definitely look at some of the Volvo wagon options for IT... isn't there someone out there who built/was building a very mild prep one (want to say it was a 740)?
http://www.psfk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/volvo_850_btcc.jpg
mossaidis
03-22-2011, 03:14 PM
you can always convert to manual, though, right? I just went on the site, and I epic raged when I saw it had a 6-speed auto. I will at some point race with a ZDX no matter what, but I might have to do some major mods to it first. One thing I really want is one of those LeMans-style button-shift transmissions, but they're prolly not legal for ST-class, so crap.
also, double crap, because apparently the only current Acura model that gets a manual transmission is the ass-ugly TL. while I am a TL fan, I don't really like the new one, so if I do go with a new car for a racecar, I hope it'll be a ZDX, even if the TL is prolly 5x faster.
To close the loop here, you can only convert to manual in IT if that model was offered in manual tranny and you made other changes that came with the manual model excluding GCR/ITCS allowances. Pro race drivers do not... I repeat, do not... typically like any button/paddle shifting, they would rather take a manual, quick shift tranny. They may be "neat" in production cars yet tend to be unreliable and not precise enough for track racing. Paddle shifters in F1 is a different story.... READ: $.
Acura TSX comes in a manual shift and it is a GREAT platform for track racing... STU/WC and hopefully one day soon = ITS. other Honda/Acura cars that have potential and are cheaper to build/prep than the ZDX is the late model Accord, same awesome (for FWD) chassis/suspension as the TSX, two doors (not 4) yet small mod potential for that variant K24 = ITA.
lateapex911
03-22-2011, 03:25 PM
I have heard of regions building small 4x2 pickups into IT prep levels and scoring high on the fun card. .
That's the Atlanta region. I think they have a solid class of....3. It's really taking off. Well, it was, until Spec Miata killed it.
Man I love this thread!
mossaidis
03-22-2011, 03:27 PM
I'd definitely look at some of the Volvo wagon options for IT... isn't there someone out there who built/was building a very mild prep one (want to say it was a 740)?
http://www.psfk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/volvo_850_btcc.jpg
DITTO! ^^^ sweet, uh? ZDX, if you are serious about building a wagon IT car, then one of us can work with you to you find some good choices and submit them SCCA for classification (class and weight).
Acura TSX comes in a manual shift and it is a GREAT platform for track racing... STU/WC and hopefully one day soon = ITS.
They started production here in the states in 2004... should be IT legal as soon as someone submits the paperwork.
PS
I'd bet on ITR for it with a slightly higher weight than the already classed (similiar HP but different engined) RSX-S.
That's the Atlanta region. I think they have a solid class of....3. It's really taking off. Well, it was, until Spec Miata killed it.
Man I love this thread!
Jesus H Tap-Dancing-Christ. Someone comes in here with a legitimate question about gutting/caging/racing a sport-ute cross-over and all you can do is mock them? Oh, ya' know when I re-read this maybe you do have a point... :happy204:
Christian, off to go finish the build on his Hardbody Race-Truck... ;)
dave parker
03-22-2011, 04:34 PM
ZDX
Sometimes the group here can get a little rough but for the most part they mean well and have good advice to share.
To answer your original question, SUV's, crossovers, vans and station wagons are not allowed in Improved Touring (IT) racing. However, there are a lot of cars that are allowed and most of them are fun and easily found.
I would suggest finding someone in the Houston area that is actively racing in IT and see what they are racing. I am willing to bet that you could probably hang around with someone in the Houston IT community that could help you get involved.
I would tell you that you are much better off purchasing an already built racecar than trying to build one from the ground up, unless you have very deep pockets.
cheers
dave parker
shwah
03-22-2011, 04:35 PM
*sigh* I just HAD to get trolled this bad, huh? Geez... If I'm going to be messed with this bad, I'm just going to go with it, and if the ZDX can't race, I'll just enter it on Pikes Peak and be done with it.
LMAO.
Oh the ironing.:023:
jumbojimbo
03-22-2011, 04:44 PM
This is nothing. Over in the sandbox they badgered Dan Gurney until he cried when he said he wanted to trying one of these "Eagle" things. And Jim Hall quit coming around after they made fun of his car named after a bush.
JoshS
03-22-2011, 04:52 PM
ZDX
Sometimes the group here can get a little rough but for the most part they mean well and have good advice to share.
To answer your original question, SUV's, crossovers, vans and station wagons are not allowed in Improved Touring (IT) racing. However, there are a lot of cars that are allowed and most of them are fun and easily found.
The station wagon restriction was lifted a couple of years ago. So wagons are legal in IT right now.
mossaidis
03-22-2011, 04:53 PM
We're so insular... and *clearly* inviting to others when their ideas seem... *different*. Way to rep SCCA guys... par for the course. LOL!
Xian - I placed my request for the TSX in ITR 1-2 months ago. There was a thread (in part) justifiying it for ITS mainly because ITR weight is probably unachievable in IT terms.... tbd.
Knestis
03-22-2011, 05:00 PM
This is nothing. Over in the sandbox they badgered Dan Gurney until he cried when he said he wanted to trying one of these "Eagle" things. ... Crossovers? Eagles? Go with the original...
http://www.carlustblog.com/images/2008/03/11/eagle1_2.jpg
In all seriousness, we get jaded here sometimes because people ask questions that are grounded in a ton of naivete re: road racing. A LOT of them seem to rise from the first assumption that they have Car X and want to race it (sensible if they don't have any exposure to the game). This, as opposed to "I want to go racing, want to know about classes and stuff, and am willing to choose a car that fits," which is really the most viable way to tackle the problem.
The crankiness is aggravated by the tendency of people interested in getting started to not follow good advice. The reason most of us know about this problem,is that we were JUST AS BAD at some point in our past, and made all of the stupid mistakes. This does not, NOT, NOT change the fact that those of us who have survived and are still around are going to at least try to give that advice.
The OP asked a naive question, got a bigger answer than he wanted, clarified his question, got good advice, and made it clear he doesn't want any more. That's how it goes, sometimes to the point that it gets made a funny.
K
erlrich
03-22-2011, 05:07 PM
It's not at all possible.
What ^ said.
We're so insular... and *clearly* inviting to others when their ideas seem... *different*. Way to rep SCCA guys... par for the course. LOL!
Xian - I placed my request for the TSX in ITR 1-2 months ago. There was a thread (in part) justifiying it for ITS mainly because ITR weight is probably unachievable in IT terms.... tbd.
Excellent :) I halfway, kinda, almost looked at building one shortly after I started my ITA Civic Sedan build (that I sold after the triplets... that's another story though). There was a thread on the 'Box about the TSX and estimated process weight for ITR. Want to say that the guesstimates were for a weight in the 2800# range? Seemed like a legitimate contender for the class (as compared strictly to other FWD options)... I didn't realize that it would be that big of a stretch to get down to weight.
Christian
gran racing
03-22-2011, 09:54 PM
We're so insular... and *clearly* inviting to others when their ideas seem... *different*. Way to rep SCCA guys... par for the course. LOL!
I'm sorry but it was REALLY hard to tell if this was a legit thread or someone one here messing around. The first post wasn't an issue but as it continued I had no idea especially given the responses. It came across as baiting people where that is the intention or not. I still have no idea. lol
Different ideas are welcome, sometimes the way they are presented might give the wrong image of what one is attempting to communicate. In all honesty, this is one of the most polite forums I know of.
Simon T.
03-22-2011, 09:57 PM
That's the Atlanta region. I think they have a solid class of....3. It's really taking off. Well, it was, until Spec Miata killed it.
Man I love this thread!
Don't hate on ITT! :023:
lateapex911
03-23-2011, 01:53 AM
No hate!!!! I don't want Fletch to park me in some swamp the next time I'm there, LOL
ZDX,
While I appreciate your love for your pet vehicle and wanting to track/race it I believe you need to really think about it.
I knew of someone who use to track their Ford lightning. Sure, it was an interesting and unusual vehicle to track, but after they improved their talent, they realized they didn't have a good enough platform to improve further. They began to drive faster than the truck would allow, and it became dangerous. You don't need to go into a heavy braking zone and realize you don't have enough brakes to stop.....
If you desire to just have fun, then go to a PDX or HPDE and enjoy. Leave the car as stock as possible and have some fun. You will soon realize that your fun factor will diminish because you just can't get the van to do what you want, it's just not built for racing.
If you are serious about "racing", then obtain a vehicle that's up to the task. I can assure you that with all the necessary equipment you need regardless of vehicle choice, and all the upgrades necessary to really race, unless you won the lottery, you won't be happy with the outlay to get your ZDX in any condition to really perform.
Carol Shelby once said, "In order to make a small fortune in racing, you need to start with a large one..."
924Guy
03-23-2011, 07:58 AM
Oh, my. I know a lot about the ZDX, and there's countless reasons (not just the obvious ones listed here) why it would be unsuitable for just about any form of racing.
Get to the track and try out a PDX/DE - it'd be a fine car for a bit of that. Get your feet wet, then check out some club races. No doubt you're a lover of Honda products, and that's a good thing, as there's plenty of great options from that manufacturer that do very well in IT racing.
Just not the ZDX. Think Civics, etc... or S2000 if you really do have stupid amounts of money burning a hole in your pocket.
I've actually been looking at either a Cadillac DTS and a Toyota Camry V6 for a while, would those work at all? the Northstar in the DTS would make it amazing, I'd think.
Simon T.
03-23-2011, 10:42 AM
LOLOL OK Now we know it's fake.
mossaidis
03-23-2011, 11:52 AM
I once thought about modifying a Ford 500 into a street hot-rod. I once thought about "tracking" a moddied Ford Fusion. Never, never in a million years did I have the inclination to spend a dime on making those thoughts a reality, actually "race" them OR even dare share those thoughts with anyone in IT or on it.com... well until now. A Cadillac DTS? Camry v6? hell, even the Accord V6... really? I think the community would put more thought and energy into making IT classes for 350z's of the world than they would for the DTS or an extremely front heavy FWD car.
Can someone share delete the ZDX account? I wonder if Greg Amy who's traveling to Europe, is just playing with us. April fools!
erlrich
03-23-2011, 12:09 PM
Can someone share delete the ZDX account? I wonder if Greg Amy who's traveling to Europe, is just playing with us. April fools!
If I were 100% certain this was a spoof I would...then again, if it's not a spoof that may be even more reason to swing the axe...
callard
03-23-2011, 01:31 PM
WWBFD - (what would Bill France do?) :p
JamesL
03-23-2011, 01:58 PM
Lol... This is obviously a troll. Delete the account and the threads and be done with it.
mossaidis
03-23-2011, 03:31 PM
At miminum, we have proved again that rules of creativity apply very differently to different things by different ppl considering the goal, if any. Did that make sense?
DoubleXL240Z
03-23-2011, 04:01 PM
I believe he was dreaming (during homeroom) about racing his moms ZDX!! If that won't work when he gets out of college( in 6-7 years) he'll build something else( Caddy, Camry etc)!!
mossaidis
03-23-2011, 04:48 PM
You guys are mean! We probably crushed some kid's imagition... didn't IMSA have big rig racing a few decades back? (I just got the Bill France reference! lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdKSiDpdTyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrhf7npIumU
Simon T.
03-23-2011, 06:44 PM
Big rigs ran as a support race for the Petit Le Mans weekend, I forget which year, it was awesome. Really.
JeffYoung
03-23-2011, 07:36 PM
I saw them run on the banking at Rockingham one year. Buck Baker ran the series. 18 wheeler tractors. It was insane -- early 80s maybe?
Simon T.
03-23-2011, 11:01 PM
http://image.trucktrend.com/f/8271665+w750+st0/163_0402_trkracing_06z+super_truck+front_view.jpg
I'm not toying with you guys, just not thinking things through very much. I keep finding used cars with great miles on them, despite being not exactly "ideal" for racing. The Camry would make a good choice, since it can have manual, it has a potent 276 hp V6, and plus, it's a Toyota, so it won't easily break down, even on the track.
or I could just stop being creative, and try to force my 6'5" self into a tiny matchbox of a Miata. in fact, the real reason I picked these obscure cars is because they're all actually big enough for me.
I'm actually serious about this one, though: An '09 Chevrolet Impala SS. any thoughts? (if an SS cannot be found, what about an LTZ?)
lateapex911
03-24-2011, 10:25 AM
DELETE the thread and account!???? Are you guys nuts!? This is gold man, GOLD!
Just to keep it rolling, ZDX, most cars gain a lot of interior room once you rip out the interior as mandated by racing rules and change from the stock seats to a racing seat. You'll fit fine in lots of cars, no need to drive a big ugly Chebbie.
Z3_GoCar
03-24-2011, 10:35 AM
If you're looking for a car with lot of room, check this one out, probably cost $25-$30k to build but selling for $15k:
http://www.improvedtouring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29046
thanks, but, I like building stuff on my own. I am a Chevrolet fan as well as a Honda/Acura fan, so I really want to build an Impala racer.
--EDIT--
lateapex911, I don't care if YOU think it's ugly, I'm going to race it. anyway, I recently directly emailed someone at SCCA HQ, and they said I can pretty much race anything as long as it gets classified, and I sign all the right papers. So, technically, I could enter a GMC Sierra and have no problem! (good news is, I'm done with the whole Super Touring SUV/Truck idea...for now...)
spawpoet
03-24-2011, 11:20 AM
thanks, but, I like building stuff on my own. I am a Chevrolet fan as well as a Honda/Acura fan, so I really want to build an Impala racer.
--EDIT--
lateapex911, I don't care if YOU think it's ugly, I'm going to race it. anyway, I recently directly emailed someone at SCCA HQ, and they said I can pretty much race anything as long as it gets classified, and I sign all the right papers. So, technically, I could enter a GMC Sierra and have no problem! (good news is, I'm done with the whole Super Touring SUV/Truck idea...for now...)
Then build a Camaro for ITR. It's a Chebby, it will easily be big enough for you, and NOBODY is running one in ITR that I know of, so you'd still be unique and blazing your own trail. That's always the more difficult path, but it is also a lot more rewarding.
ugh, I can't handle anything RWD, that's why I picked the Impala.
erlrich
03-24-2011, 11:47 AM
Then build a Camaro for ITR.
Hey, he may be a little delusional, but he's not freakin' insane...:D
spawpoet
03-24-2011, 11:49 AM
Hey, he may be a little delusional, but he's not freakin' insane...
:lol:
As for the thread, my guess is ZDX is either a disillusioned SCCA member, or a NASA guy. Prolly NASA since he hates rear wheel drive.
erlrich
03-24-2011, 11:50 AM
anyway, I recently directly emailed someone at SCCA HQ, and they said I can pretty much race anything as long as it gets classified, and I sign all the right papers. So, technically, I could enter a GMC Sierra and have no problem! (good news is, I'm done with the whole Super Touring SUV/Truck idea...for now...)
Um...yeah...next time email someone other than
[email protected] :D
lateapex911
03-24-2011, 12:03 PM
ugh, I can't handle anything RWD, that's why I picked the Impala.
That's cool, just PM me as you build it and let me know the brand of tires you'll be using on your big old FWD whatever, so I can get in on the stock while it's low. ;)
:lol:
As for the thread, my guess is ZDX is either a disillusioned SCCA member, or a NASA guy. Prolly NASA since he hates rear wheel drive.
NASA? Uh, no clue what that is, bro. I'm pretty sure you don't mean the space people.
and, no problem apex.
--EDIT--
lol, I just went on to Tire Rack, and the only way I can put track tires on it, is if I put 20" wheels on it. :D
I may actually do that, just because Tire Rack is retarded and only have racing tires for cars that cost over $50K.
spawpoet
03-24-2011, 03:07 PM
NASA? Uh, no clue what that is, bro. I'm pretty sure you don't mean the space people.
and, no problem apex.
--EDIT--
lol, I just went on to Tire Rack, and the only way I can put track tires on it, is if I put 20" wheels on it. :D
I may actually do that, just because Tire Rack is retarded and only have racing tires for cars that cost over $50K.
If you're going to get 20" wheels, just get spinners and be done with it. They're great for taking out the competitions tires when you're banging fenders.
preparedcivic
03-24-2011, 03:22 PM
This has to be a troll, leading to a Grand Finale in a week on April 1st.
mossaidis
03-24-2011, 04:07 PM
^^^ no way! This is legit! Now if we talk about NO2 the circle will be complete!
rcc85
03-24-2011, 07:30 PM
So, what would the weight be for the Cadillac DTS in ITA?:D
Bob Clifton
ITB Dodge Daytona
Simon T.
03-24-2011, 09:40 PM
Best thread in IT history.
GKR_17
03-24-2011, 10:45 PM
Not that I even remotely believe this thread is serious, but IF someone wanted to run a larger FWD car some options currently listed are:
ITR:
91-95 Acura Legend
91-96 Dodge Stealth
89-95 Ford Taurus SHO
91-99 Mitsubishi 3000GT
ITS:
92-93 Oldsmobile Achieva
88-91 Oldsmobile Calais
88-89 Pontiac Grand-Am
93-97 Volvo 850 GLT
mossaidis
03-24-2011, 11:18 PM
Don't forget the +100 lbs weight penalty for NO2.
Kai Noeske
03-24-2011, 11:27 PM
In all honesty, this is one of the most polite forums I know of.
You, Sir, have clearly spent too much time on teh SB... :D
gran racing
03-25-2011, 07:37 AM
Seriously, LOL!!!!
ugh, i've told you guys i'm not a troll, and i am going to run an '09 Impala LTZ. done. April 1st will probably include me thinking about running a Rolls-Royce Phantom Drophead Coupe in STO.
rcc85
03-25-2011, 01:42 PM
You know, the Rolls would actually be legal in SPO if you used the fixed head :023:
I can see it now running against all of the ex-NASCAR COT Impalas.
Bob Clifton
ITB Dodge Daytona
Simon T.
03-26-2011, 08:25 AM
ugh, i've told you guys i'm not a troll, and i am going to run an '09 Impala LTZ. done. April 1st will probably include me thinking about running a Rolls-Royce Phantom Drophead Coupe in STO.
They run Impalas in NASCAR successfully so I bet it would be the same in road racing.
Eagle7
03-26-2011, 09:27 AM
They run Impalas in NASCAR successfully so I bet it would be the same in road racing.
Umm... which part of a NASCAR Impala has anything at all to do with an Impala? And what does NASCAR have to do with road racing? (Yes, I know they do two RR events per year).
Simon T.
03-26-2011, 10:22 AM
Umm... which part of a NASCAR Impala has anything at all to do with an Impala? And what does NASCAR have to do with road racing? (Yes, I know they do two RR events per year).
Yeah and what does a ZDX have to do with road racing? :shrug: You didn't catch my flow. :(
Eagle7
03-26-2011, 01:19 PM
Yeah and what does a ZDX have to do with road racing? :shrug: You didn't catch my flow. :(
Oops. :(
Simon T.
03-26-2011, 03:25 PM
Oops. :(
:p
so, FWD Chevy Impala, good or not for STO/ITR? If yes, I've got some work to do. If not, then I'm going to have to figure out what else I can get that isn't a Mazda Miata or Honda S2000.
GKR_17
03-28-2011, 10:02 AM
The Impala was only available stock as an automatic, so no it is not an option.
As I said before, if you want a largish FWD car, try one of these:
ITR:
91-95 Acura Legend
91-96 Dodge Stealth
89-95 Ford Taurus SHO
91-99 Mitsubishi 3000GT
ITS:
92-93 Oldsmobile Achieva
88-91 Oldsmobile Calais
88-89 Pontiac Grand-Am
93-97 Volvo 850 GLT
erlrich
03-28-2011, 10:03 AM
so, FWD Chevy Impala, good or not for STO/ITR? If yes, I've got some work to do. If not, then I'm going to have to figure out what else I can get that isn't a Mazda Miata or Honda S2000.
I think the Impala, with an LS7 Corvette engine, would be a killer car in STO - maybe a little too much for ITR. I say go for it.
lawtonglenn
03-28-2011, 10:57 AM
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yes, but in STO you can substitute any engine from the same manufacturer, right?
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erlrich
03-28-2011, 11:21 AM
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yes, but in STO you can substitute any engine from the same manufacturer, right?
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Yes, as long as the engine was available in the US. :D
mtownneon
03-28-2011, 07:22 PM
To add to the absurdity, I've been trying to get some folks around here sold on the idea of a "full size" car class, run under ITE or some such. If so, I'd try to buy back this car I built to run in circles in N.C.
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/mtownneon/My%20Hot%20Rods%20and%20Race%20Cars/racecar.jpg
Simon T.
03-28-2011, 08:49 PM
so, FWD Chevy Impala, good or not for STO/ITR? If yes, I've got some work to do. If not, then I'm going to have to figure out what else I can get that isn't a Mazda Miata or Honda S2000.
So this has to do with you being mad that there are too many Miatas racing so you want to be different by building a car that won't be competitive yet cost more than most others on track? :shrug:
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