ITR car: S2000 or something else?

[Cobrar05]

Considering doing something new. Advice?

[Knestis]

Sounds like you experience with the Mustangs tells you the ITR options don't have potential...?

K

[Cobrar05]

i dont know, really. i would think they are underpowered and heavy. i know the new t3 mustang v6 is spunky. i was not really thinking about an ITR mustang. I was thinking about something that is already developed that i could plug in and play

[Ron Earp]

BMW E36 3 series is probably about the closest ITR has to "plug and play".

[Cobrar05]

z3/m coupe?

[Matt93SE]

Sure you want to run in ITR?
This car sounds like a ton of fun: http://www.racingjunk.com/category/83/GT/post/2049784/Mazda-GT-Tube-Frame-Race-Car.html

[Andy Bettencourt]

BMW E36 3 series is probably about the closest ITR has to "plug and play".

+1

The rest will require some luck, development and a prayer they match the specs. Our S2000 handles great but does not make (and probably never will) process power. The 325 E36 is the easy button.

[Z3_GoCar]

z3/m coupe?

No, it's the 325 sedan is still the best bet. It'll make hp at the upper end of the rpm band because of its intake manifold.

[lateapex911]

Sure you want to run in ITR?
This car sounds like a ton of fun: http://www.racingjunk.com/category/83/GT/post/2049784/Mazda-GT-Tube-Frame-Race-Car.html

That's a car with no class that I can discern....and has an old out of production engine in it to boot.

[Duc]

+1

The rest will require some luck, development and a prayer they match the specs. Our S2000 handles great but does not make (and probably never will) process power. The 325 E36 is the easy button.

+1 on the 325 series cars in ITR. They rule down in FL

[Greg Amy]

+1 on the 325 series cars in ITR. They rule down in FL
Plus another on the E36. That's about as developed as they come...

If you want to build something slightly less developed and more rare, do the 01-06 E46 with the 2.5L engine. Similar idea as the E36 (same engine?) so most of the work is done, "better" chassis and aero(?), larger brakes, +35 pounds over the E36. Contact the guys at AutoTechnic in New Milford, CT (http://www.autotechnic.net/); they've been kicking tail in ITS with E46s for a couple seasons now... - GA

[JLawton]

. Advice?

Stamp collecting..........

[tnord]

i always tend to look at the cars on the lighter end of the class that can easily keep tires and brakes underneath them for the entire length of a race.

i think in ITR that's the Type R, and E36/46. I really like the E46, but it's a lot more money to get the most out of it compared to the others from what i can tell.

[Z3_GoCar]

z3/m coupe?

Some additional thoughts on this: the parts are just as avalible for the Z3 roady/coupe as they are for either the e-30 or e-36 sedans. The front end is from the e-36 and the rear is directly from an e-30. Part's avalibility isn't the problem, it's making it work togeather like the e-36 sedan.

Also, I'm not a believer in the power output of the 2.8 motor either. When a motor with the exact same head and cams, adds 300cc you'd expect it to make more hp not the same. The rpm band is also narrowed by 450rpm as the peak hp is lowered by an intake manifold with narrower runners, smaller plenum volume, and can't be port matched. The compression ratio is also lowered by .3 points, so the motor takes a hit there too.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Still thinking the best combo is this:

E46 325 Coupe. Power of the 2.5, slick and beautiful coupe body, the updated E46 rear suspension and the low weight...

[CRallo]

I want to see a 3.8 Camaro! But that doesn't fit the already figured out...

[benspeed]

Porsche 968 or 944 s2. Deep wallet required but I think these cars will run all day up front.

The BMW is the best choice for the plug and play and are one of the most developed of any car in SCCA. Can't go wrong and not hard to find a built car.

S2000 or 300zx were very close contenders for me but I like German hardware.

[ed325its]

You can help me clean my garage. E36 325is ITR and spares for sale. Known car in the northeast.

[Cobrar05]

interesting. send me an email. [email protected]
i am testing a driver for world challenge 2011 in my mustang.
if that deal is closed, i will need something to race myself.

lets talk.

[erlrich]

I want to see a 3.8 Camaro! But that doesn't fit the already figured out...

I doubt you'll see one in ITR; the car is too heavy to make weight, and it would need to hit all the specs (weight & HP) to have any chance in that field. The car really belongs in ITS.

To the original question; I don't think anything other than the 325 and 944 have really been proven yet, have they? That said, if I had the $$$ to build a full-tilt ITR car I would look hard at the 300ZX.

[Tristan Smith]

I'll sell you mine!

UhhhhG! Been running into issues getting the motor built (mostly an engine builder taking his sweeeeeet time), not being able to find replacement parts for the transmission, and having a hard time getting a shorter gear properly installed.

It's been a month (or two) of FAIL lately. At least I think I have gotten most of the additional weight out.

[JeffYoung]

I've got a spare transmission if you need it Tristan.

[tnord]

Tristan you can't sell that thing, it's WAY too cool.

[erlrich]

I'll sell you mine!
You obviously missed the word if in my previous statement :D


UhhhhG! Been running into issues getting the motor built (mostly an engine builder taking his sweeeeeet time), not being able to find replacement parts for the transmission, and having a hard time getting a shorter gear properly installed.

It's been a month (or two) of FAIL lately. At least I think I have gotten most of the additional weight out.

What is it they say, whatever doesn't kill you...just pisses you off more...or something like that...

Sorry to hear about all the issues. I was (still am) hoping to see that car at VIR in May.

[Tristan Smith]

I've got a spare transmission if you need it Tristan.

It's probably got the same issues that mine does. Nissan (or whomever actually built it) put soft synchros in the boxes. Consequently it is hard to find a tranny that isn't crunchy going through the gears. While I can get new synchros, finding new coupling sleeves so far, are like hen''s teeth.


You obviously missed the word if in my previous statement :D



What is it they say, whatever doesn't kill you...just pisses you off more...or something like that...

Sorry to hear about all the issues. I was (still am) hoping to see that car at VIR in May.

I hear ya. Some days I am ready for stamp collecting. But don't worry, I am aiming to get to VIR in May.

[Matt93SE]

Tristan,
Let me know exactly what parts you need. I have a few contacts in Houston that might be able to help out.

All else fails, I have a Z32 tranny that I could part with.. Never used it myself, but the guy I bought it from said it worked great when he pulled it.

[JeffYoung]

There have been a couple of Type Rs floating around that have been fast.

Ricky T's Z3 2.8 is pretty quick.

I've seen a couple of slow RX8s, and a middlin' E30 M3.

Definitely the three frontrunners to date are the 325, the 944S2 and the Type R and of those, i think the 325 is still the one to beat.

Pretty amazing that car was in ITS at just one hundred lbs heavier......


I doubt you'll see one in ITR; the car is too heavy to make weight, and it would need to hit all the specs (weight & HP) to have any chance in that field. The car really belongs in ITS.

To the original question; I don't think anything other than the 325 and 944 have really been proven yet, have they? That said, if I had the $$$ to build a full-tilt ITR car I would look hard at the 300ZX.

[Tristan Smith]

Tristan,
Let me know exactly what parts you need. I have a few contacts in Houston that might be able to help out.

All else fails, I have a Z32 tranny that I could part with.. Never used it myself, but the guy I bought it from said it worked great when he pulled it.

Thanks Matt, and Jeff too.
I can find the synchros, but need to find the coupling sleeves (or "sliders"). So far no luck. Riley did find some kit that had the 2/3 coupling that cost 900.00 bucks!