"David vs. Goliath" - CRX vs 1.8 Miata story from ARRC

[mossaidis]

as told by King Motorsports...

http://www.kingmotorsports.com/blog/post/David-vs-Goliath.aspx

Greg, Andy... ready? "Fight!" j/k

[Greg Amy]

Dude, don't be sayin' "Biggie Smalls" into a mirror three times unless you're prepared for it...

That said...nothing from me. I've long ago said my piece and have nothing else to add.

"Given the appellant has presented no new evidence, the Court of Appeals upholds the decision in its entirety; the appeal is denied. Mr. Amy's appeal is deemed well-founded and the appeal fee, less the amount retained by SCCA, will be returned."

GA

[Andy Bettencourt]

I wonder if an 8 year old would think the title was appropriate after reading the article. :D



The first lap saw the Miata and the CRX go two abreast into Turn 1, the Miata taking the point on corner exit. A true battle was on! Lap after lap, Price and Moser swapped the lead for the entire 45 minute race! The Miata and CRX battled nose to tail, always racing cleanly but not giving an inch. Price bobbled at turn 10a with one lap to go and Moser grabbed the lead. Price then used the 1.8 Miata power to repass Moser on the back straight but then bobbled on 10b on the last lap which opened the door for Moser to make the final pass for the win.

Described as the best race of the weekend, Price set a new race lap record of 1:40.741 with Moser second fastest at a 1:41.253. King Motorsport congratulates the 2010 ARRC ITA champion Joe Moser and the entire Moser race team, unbeaten in 2010!


I REALLY REALLY wish Ruck was in that race with a car that was in tip top shape.

[mossaidis]

I wonder if an 8 year old would think the title was appropriate after reading the article. :D

I REALLY REALLY wish Ruck was in that race with a car that was in tip top shape.

Argee and argee - Ruck 'could have' made it interesting.


Dude, don't be sayin' "Biggie Smalls" into a mirror three times unless you're prepared for it....

Why I am envising someone singing "biggie smalls" in gangster rap music at a IT grid line up? That would be too funny. Thanks for not busting a cap in a$$ tGA. ;)

[gran racing]

I'm sorry, but is this a joke? Ha, ha!! What, did an ITA RX7 just win the ARRC against an EXTREMELY well prepped and $$$$$$$ CRX and Miata? I think Joe did a hell of a job driving and give him a ton of credit, but this is far from a true underdog story.

[mossaidis]

as told by King Motorsports...

Dave, this statement didn't give it away? :)

[benspeed]

That was a great race to watch - the fist pump on being passed and then passing back - priceless!

[lateapex911]

I'll say this, the CRX is HOOKED up in certain places. I'd love to see data on turn 7 apex and exit speed. And Joe has fast hands, for sure.

[Xian]

I wonder if an 8 year old would think the title was appropriate after reading the article. :D



I REALLY REALLY wish Ruck was in that race with a car that was in tip top shape.

I really wish Ruck's ITA car had been in shape for the race too BUT I'm not sure he'd have been with Moser/Price. I remember chatting with Kevin 2 years ago when he won after the cold-air intake protest... (Moser won on the track lost in the shed) and IIRC Kevin plain old didn't have the speed to run with Joe. Yes, different year and tKR has been on a massive winning streak but I really don't know if the Teg can run the type of pace laid down this year.

Christian

[lateapex911]

True, Christian, but then JOE didn't know he was going to run that pace either. ;) Credit the Moser team for eeeking even more out of that car.

[Xian]

True, Christian, but then JOE didn't know he was going to run that pace either. ;) Credit the Moser team for eeeking even more out of that car.

Maybe... maybe not. Maybe after 2 year without a trophy, he and King came back loaded for bear and knew the car had more pace?

Christian, wondering if Joe was running King Motorsports "Miata conversion kit" on his CRX. :p ;)

[Gregg]

I really wish Ruck's ITA car had been in shape for the race too BUT I'm not sure he'd have been with Moser/Price. I remember chatting with Kevin 2 years ago when he won after the cold-air intake protest... (Moser won on the track lost in the shed) and IIRC Kevin plain old didn't have the speed to run with Joe. Yes, different year and tKR has been on a massive winning streak but I really don't know if the Teg can run the type of pace laid down this year.Christian
But if Kevin were running video he likely would have won in the tech shed (actually the tower) again this year.

[Xian]

But if Kevin were running video he likely would have won in the tech shed (actually the tower) again this year.

LOL. Great point Gregg! :happy204:

edit & PS
Did the timeframe to appeal the tower decision about the yellow flag thing already pass? Or was there even an appeal option?

[Gregg]

Honestly I don't know if it was ever withdrawn by Rowdy. I'll check. If they simply ruled against for lack of evidence there is definitely still time to appeal. You have 10 days to submit (GCR 8.4.3.A.3).

[Bob Roth]

Hats off to Mr Moser for a spectacular drive. Very impressive driving.

[R2 Racing]

I really wish Ruck's ITA car had been in shape for the race too BUT I'm not sure he'd have been with Moser/Price. I remember chatting with Kevin 2 years ago when he won after the cold-air intake protest... (Moser won on the track lost in the shed) and IIRC Kevin plain old didn't have the speed to run with Joe. Yes, different year and tKR has been on a massive winning streak but I really don't know if the Teg can run the type of pace laid down this year.

Christian
Last year I qualified at a 1:42.2 with absolutely no draft. This year it was much cooler, the car was on A6's instead of R6's, there's 80lbs of ballast in the passenger seat area instead of in my ass, and it's handling better than it ever has. There's no doubt in my mind my car could've ran in the 1:41's. I think I would've been right on Joe & Brian in qualifying, but as for the race, lets be honest - if Brian doesn't run it off the track four times during that race, he beats Joe pretty easily (and subsequently me)......my Integra can't even pull Joe's CRX like that.:blink:

[JLawton]

I want to know how Brian made it through the gravel traps!! :blink:

That was the most impressive part!! LOL

[Steven McWilliams Jr]

I want to know how Brian made it through the gravel traps!! :blink:

That was the most impressive part!! LOL

Knowing him and the way he drives, he was probably flat-out from when he was pointed at the gravel until he escaped. He is crazy.

His save at 14:20 of the first video was probably the craziest thing I noticed. :happy204:

Steven

[Xian]

Last year I qualified at a 1:42.2 with absolutely no draft. This year it was much cooler, the car was on A6's instead of R6's, there's 80lbs of ballast in the passenger seat area instead of in my ass, and it's handling better than it ever has. There's no doubt in my mind my car could've ran in the 1:41's. I think I would've been right on Joe & Brian in qualifying, but as for the race, lets be honest - if Brian doesn't run it off the track four times during that race, he beats Joe pretty easily (and subsequently me)......my Integra can't even pull Joe's CRX like that.:blink:

Dude, 80#'s? Sweeeeeet :happy204:

Agreed that Brian could have bagged the race if he could have kept it on the track.

[benspeed]

I wish I saw some Flatout racer in the ITA event. Who would that dude be???

[gran racing]

Gulick?

[Andy Bettencourt]

Don't quite understand Ben's question but no, my car didn't make it. We had 2 guys back out of the trip and it didn't make sense for Nick to take just 2 down.

[tom91ita]

Honestly I don't know if it was ever withdrawn by Rowdy. I'll check. If they simply ruled against for lack of evidence there is definitely still time to appeal. You have 10 days to submit (GCR 8.4.3.A.3).

Gregg,

just curious as to why? is the scenario that he wins the appeal regarding the ruling of the wiper motor headlight actuator CAI routing (not sure which part if any was the actual ruling) and then win this appeal as well?

i don't see the yellow in Joe's video (i just have a laptop and unless a flag is waving, i have a hard time picking them up in these vids) but for the purpose of this discussion, i will stipulate it is there because Joe does seem to lift around the corner. but i am unclear on where the flag station was.

but it looks like the car being overtaken on Driver's left is signaling Joe to pass and is seriously off pace (the lapped cars in this race for the most part were really trying to get out of the way and not interfere with the race for the lead). no excuse if there is a flag but i really do not see this affecting the outcome of the race since i think Price went off track 1 or 2 times after regaining the lead.

if the appeal on the CAI / wiper / headlight is lost and this one for the yellow is won, that would seem a bit like sour grapes imo.

[benspeed]

That ITA guy who needs to go win the ARRC is.......AB!

I'll go if you go - not enough Yankee representation down there in Dixieland :-)

[Tom Donnelly]

I wish I saw some Flatout racer in the ITA event. Who would that dude be???

Was he driving a Koenigsegg?

[Gregg]

if the appeal on the CAI / wiper / headlight is lost and this one for the yellow is won, that would seem a bit like sour grapes imo.
I hear you, Tom, but the standing yellow was out at the flag stand right before the bridge and was out. Just because an ITC car that's not front-running is at a much slower pace than the race-leading ITA car does not mean that a P.U.Y. is acceptable. As soon as Brian got out of the car he told us about the P.U.Y. and we started looking for witnesses/video, to no avail. We knew that one car that might have it wasn't going to offer up a loss in position or DQ.

As to whether its sour grapes or not, the only reason that protest was filed was because the corner station did not call it in. In my short racing career I have seen some very stupid things happen out on track when drivers ignore flags. Most of them put volunteers in harms way. You know as well as I do that quiz drivers at schools about flags for a reason and corer stations wave flags for a reason. And even with that, given the width of the track, given the fact that it was a straight, and given that the "incident" was a car off-track on driver's right does not eliminate the fact that the CRX also gained a competitive advantage but not correctly timing his pass on the ITC car, but instead kept up his race pace. What happened in the tech shed afterwards should be immaterial.

Just like cars/drivers can lose in the tech shed if they run astray of the rules, one can and perhaps should if they run afoul while on the race surface.

That's my point. Perhaps Mr. Laughlin would have been more vigilant if he had known. ;-)

[Andy Bettencourt]

That's my point. Perhaps Mr. Laughlin would have been more vigilant if he had known. ;-)

I doubt it. I wouldn't want to win like that if I was out of touch with the leaders. These two ran away from everyone. A mechanical protest is one thing - but a PUY penalty that had zero affect on my position in class is another.

Not downplaying your fundamental stance on the issue, just commenting on whether or not a 3rd place driver who wasn't even in the same timezone as the top 2, would want to take a win like that.

[Blaughlin]

This is a little late, better late than never. I would have been more persistant about the issue if I would have had more evidence(video, witnesses). I understand winning in the tech shed isn't exactly the way to go, however, if someone brakes the rules, non compliant, or being hazardous to other people. I don't stand for that. Cutting to the chase, sometimes you have to take it anyway you can get it. with in reason

Looking forward to seeing everyone again at the ARRC in 2011

Brian