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RedMisted
02-11-2010, 04:08 AM
The whole Toyota recall situation has me wondering again what Showroom Stock, and eventually IT, is gonna look like in the not-too-distant future. The following is just a rant.

Imagine it's 2025, and you're flying down the longest straight at your favorite racetrack. You're hauling ass in your 2018 Fiat Viper ITX. Suddenly, the onboard computer begins freaking out for unknown reasons. The throttle becomes stuck and you apply the brakes. However, ABS-related issues have also surfaced, because, 30-odd years after the introduction of computer-assistive braking, engineers still can't come up with a fail-proof system. You then try to slow the car by downshifting, but as you pull back on your downshift paddle, there is no response from your computer-controlled double-clutch tranny. So there you are, approaching a slow right-hander at over 145 mph, with your electricals on meltdown. You try to save the situation by driving diagonally across the wide gravel on the outside of the turn, only the car won't oblige because the steer-by-wire has gone to hell. You crash, but are damn lucky to escape with a few bumps/bruises. However, your car is complete junk, thanks to all the fancy on-board electrical wizardry. You cuss and wish you'd never gotten rid of your late-90s ITR Camaro, the one that had MECHANICAL systems.

Okay, now. If I'm still racing well into the next decade, and there's a reasonable chance I'll still be at it because I'm relatively young, I won't be doing it in a car that has a critical automotive system overly controlled/interferred by a computer. And I'd be reluctant to race in a class that is comprised mostly of machinery that is everything-by-wire.

There. I've gotten it off my chest. I now declare this riot open. Feel free to have at it.

924Guy
02-11-2010, 08:54 AM
We're not all as failure-prone as Toyota...

I think the biggest area for concern with such electronics in Club Racing will be the changes to the cars, not limited to the opportunity for builders to screw things up...

ITA_honda
02-11-2010, 09:53 AM
Chris - thats why I love my car. Even though its 20 years old, the only "computer" on the car is the programmed fuel injection. Everything else is mechanical. And its so easy to work on. No sensors, 10 million wires running here and there, etc etc.

924Guy
02-11-2010, 11:19 AM
Chris - thats why I love my car. Even though its 20 years old, the only "computer" on the car is the programmed fuel injection. Everything else is mechanical. And its so easy to work on. No sensors, 10 million wires running here and there, etc etc.

LOL... mine's 30 years old, and has no computers (other than those I've added - the data system and video)!

joeg
02-11-2010, 11:25 AM
I gust put a Computer in my 28 year old car--The wideband a/f gusge sytem has a "processor" in it.

As to the future...we'll deal with it!

RSTPerformance
02-11-2010, 12:26 PM
Chris-

while you are sliding off the track I will be coasting through the turn after I simply hit the kill switch and shut the car off...

Raymond

RedMisted
02-11-2010, 04:56 PM
Chris-

while you are sliding off the track I will be coasting through the turn after I simply hit the kill switch and shut the car off...

Raymond

How would you be coasting in the turn, in our hypothetical example, if you've got no steering? Remember the steering would no longer have a column!

CRallo
02-11-2010, 08:04 PM
How would you be coasting in the turn, in our hypothetical example, if you've got no steering? Remember the steering would no longer have a column!

owned! :p

titanium
02-11-2010, 09:39 PM
How would you be coasting in the turn, in our hypothetical example, if you've got no steering? Remember the steering would no longer have a column!

Not to worry, your "FIA-approved" ejection seat is still mechanical of course.

Z3_GoCar
02-11-2010, 11:30 PM
Don't worry by then you'll either be driving the car via a full motion simulator and you won't feel a thing when it hits, either that or it'll be your Surrogate, and you'll really be sitting at home in a special bed.

Z3_GoCar
02-11-2010, 11:32 PM
Not to worry, your "FIA-approved" ejection seat is still mechanical of course.

Manufactured by Martin-Baker no doubt... on second thought you'd better not hit the "silk" unless you want to get about an inch shorter:o