Who actually won?

[RSTPerformance]

Based on cars that fit the current IT classification process who won?

What was the best finish for a car that was requested but denied the ability to get a corrected weight? IE: who was the fastest "heavy" car in each class?

Raymond

[seckerich]

Grow up. Plead your case but show a little class.

[924Guy]

I think - no, I know - the fastest drivers won.

[RSTPerformance]

Delete this thread, not worth it... The topic title might be rude but I am curiose in all classes who was near the front with a "heavy" car. I am wondering how much weight really matters... Does 50LBS or 100Lbs really do anything?

Raymond "maybe a better question would be would 50LBS on all the winners changed anything or was it all driver and car prep that won the race?" Blethen

[Ron Earp]

Is there a thread on this forum or somewhere with some ARRC info? Interested in how ITS shook out.

Thanks,
Ron

[dspillrat]

Is there a thread on this forum or somewhere with some ARRC info? Interested in how ITS shook out.

Thanks,
Ron

HI Ron,
ITS winner "Huffmaster" battled it out with the ITR winner "Kip" for the overall win....both were really smooth and fast. Incredible times...1:37.8 or so in morning qualifing.....ITS... Huffmaster RX-7 had wow corner speed...I checked for some type of ground sucking device in impound for Pro-It to no avail. Great drivers in well prepared cars.:eclipsee_steering: The rest of us ITS drivers were battling for 2nd, close battle, I fell out of the race when right rear lug nutz become loose:eek:..... and the wobble was too bad to continue.... Great weekend super weather, learned a few things to try next year, will really bump up the tire budget, but should be worth a second or two.....Dang tires gotta be way worse then crack or meth......Ouch....

You guys gotta come down to R.A. sometime.....maybe swap cars for a session...

[Ron Earp]

Man, that is bad news on your wheel lug. If you were running for second you were doing just fine. Who else was in the top five or so?

We've got to get down to RA for 2010. It is on the list of things to do. This year was a bad year for the TR8 as we had a lot of issues to fight. But, we should be good to go for 2010 and it'd be great if you wanted to peddle my Z around and see how it does at RA. I have a new motor now I've not used in a race yet so I'm itching to try it out.

Wow on the 1:37s. I've not run RA but I understand that is a heck of a time there. Is that an ITS record?

[jmark]

Sorry I missed the race David. I wondered what put you out. That ITS time by Huffmaster is insane. It was indeed a record by a bunch. Sounds like they found something......Where was Matt's BMW?

[dspillrat]

Sorry I missed the race David. I wondered what put you out. That ITS time by Huffmaster is insane. It was indeed a record by a bunch. Sounds like they found something......Where was Matt's BMW?

Yeah a record by bout second and a half...... Insane, not really....extremely well driven car, well prepped, with much softer tires then I thought possible for road course use,,,,,,, Track had a few changes "paving" last year or so, to be a little quicker I've heard. I thought R6s were crack.....what do you cal A6s....?? Really wish I had stuffed my ears with bees wax, to avoid hearing the tale of the A6 magic grip....The Sirens are singing, driving me crazy now!!!!!!!! Argghh...Tie me to the mast as we pass by this island please!!!!!!! Hopefully this crazy urge will pass by spring time.....
Matt was flying on thursday practice day, looking smooth.....Blew a head gasket to the point of blowing water out the tail pipe...... :(

[Tom Donnelly]

Insane, not really....extremely well driven car, well prepped,


I had the opportunity on Saturday to follow Huffmaster for part of a lap. He is amazingly quick through 3-4 the esses and 5. And through 6-7 smooth as hell. I almost stayed with him down the back straight and was out of 10-b as he went under the bridge. By the time I went under the bridge, he was already exiting 12. The car is 10/10ths but so is his driving.

I wondered what happened to you David. Glad it was just a lug, not worse.

Tom

Oh, yeah, and the fastest guys won. Conquered is more like it.

[jmark]

Ah so they did find something tire wise......Of course the car had to be set up to run the race on those tires.

[gran racing]

Huffmaster was running on A compounds? I get how a relatively light ITA CRX could do that but surprised with a heavier car begin able to last a race using them.

[dspillrat]

Yep,
"A" compounds they were......

I'm sure it takes a really smooth driver, and a well tuned suspension,with great shocks to not over-use the tires with un-needed motion or slippage..... Not sure how its gonna work on an archaic setup like an early Z... But if my R6s are going off before 20 laps, I'm sure it'll be a challenge to get 10 laps on even softer tires.....

My source is saying it can be done, and has used em for couple years now....I just hadn't noticed....

[Charles Perry]

That is a fast time no doubt. But I am like you guys, wish I had not heard of the A6 thing........not good at all!

[jmark]

Guess it will be like F1 now. A's to qualify on and R's to race on(unless you can make the A's last :p ).

[seckerich]

The A6 is good for 1 session and they are very temperature dependent. Purple Crack is the best term for them.

[jmark]

^ For sure conditions were ideal for them at RA this past weekend. Beautiful weekend.

[jmark]

Yeah a record by bout second and a half...... Insane, not really....extremely well driven car, well prepped, with much softer tires then I thought possible for road course use,,,,,,, Track had a few changes "paving" last year or so, to be a little quicker I've heard. I thought R6s were crack.....what do you cal A6s....?? Really wish I had stuffed my ears with bees wax, to avoid hearing the tale of the A6 magic grip....The Sirens are singing, driving me crazy now!!!!!!!! Argghh...Tie me to the mast as we pass by this island please!!!!!!! Hopefully this crazy urge will pass by spring time.....
Matt was flying on thursday practice day, looking smooth.....Blew a head gasket to the point of blowing water out the tail pipe...... :(It'll be cool temps in the spring too David! :eclipsee_steering:Bet you could run them at the Runoffs at Road America as cool as it is there..... Hummmmm.

[tom91ita]

my times should not be used for any type of analysis. heck, i was faster last year than i achieved this year.

congrats to the winners! my driving skills were the only thing that i kept me from going faster.

but at least this year i finished all 20 laps and never hit a wall.

[JLawton]

Tom,

You should see if you can get a recording of the play by play. I know it wasn't as good as being there but it certainly made it exciting sitting 600 miles away!! Maybe try to do what Vaughan did last year and overlay the video and audio.

[almracing]

The ARRC was a fantastic weekend. I rented an ITB car from Kirk and enjoyed learning the track and the car. That "downhill" is wild at speed. The track does not appear until you are about 1/2 way down the hill.
Kudos to NER driver Fred White taking 3rd in ITC! And former NER Jinx for taking 1st!

The weekend was a great change from the usual NHMS that I run too frequently. I have to go back!

[tom91ita]

Tom,

You should see if you can get a recording of the play by play. I know it wasn't as good as being there but it certainly made it exciting sitting 600 miles away!! Maybe try to do what Vaughan did last year and overlay the video and audio.

if i had been thinking this is what i would have done;

1. pull one of the several 10# metal bricks from my ITB car.
2. pull the radio out of my street crx/pit cart that i had with me.
3. install said radio in the ITB car.
4. listen to the race while in the race.

then i would have known where the leaders were going to lap me and planned it better.

[dickita15]

The weekend was a great change from the usual NHMS that I run too frequently. I have to go back!

How you gonna keep em down on the farm after they’ve seen RA :D

[924Guy]

The ARRC was a fantastic weekend. I rented an ITB car from Kirk and enjoyed learning the track and the car. That "downhill" is wild at speed. The track does not appear until you are about 1/2 way down the hill.

Sounds like Kirk shoulda rented you a phone book to sit on, too! :D

[jcmotorsports]

Huffmaster was running on A compounds? I get how a relatively light ITA CRX could do that but surprised with a heavier car begin able to last a race using them.

A6's should last on IT cars without an issue. I run them on my T3 car(much heavier (2970lbs)with less suspension mods(we are only allowed shocks). I even get multiple sessions(ususally 3 race/qualifying before I notice a drop in grip) out of them. Usually the A's will cycle out before they wear out.

[JeffYoung]

I bet i would burn up A6s on the rears in several laps......wow....more IT escalation! All part of the game.

Holy crap a 38 in the race is fast. Shows it can be done though I guess....

David, sorry to hear about your issue. One day, the ARRC Gods will smile on your Dino-ITS car I think....still time.

[xr4racer]

Steve, A6's are not that much softer than R's. Almost every T1-3 races on A's at the nationals not just the runoffs. 3700lb Vipers, 3550 lb Corvettes run them in the longer races at nationals without a problem. I have seen up to 230 miles on A6's with good tire management. Something as light as a 240z on 225/45/15's will last a good long time.

matt

[SPiFF]

WIll A6s also make an RX7 faster then the ITR cars on the back straight? :017:

[Tom Donnelly]

WIll A6s also make an RX7 faster then the ITR cars on the back straight? :017:


I thought the same thing and then watched Huffmaster drive during the Pro-IT. The tires may have given a second or 2 but he can drive. And the Speedsource cars used to turn 1:41's before Road Atlanta was re-vamped. And before open ECU's. So, 1-2 seconds for ECU's, 1-2 seconds for tires and you're pushing low 1:39's. And if you can really drive, if you get the run out of 7, you'll look like you're really pulling down the backstraight. Look at the video on goracingtv and you can see how he found the shortest way around the track too. I was really surprised by 1:37's but I was really surprised by 1:40's in a 240z too. When I was running 10 years ago, 1:42 was a first place time in ITS. Shows what a difference 10 years can make.

Tom:eclipsee_steering:

[seckerich]

WIll A6s also make an RX7 faster then the ITR cars on the back straight? :017:

I tore that car down in impound and know it well. It is legal. If you have something to say grow a set.

[dspillrat]

car/prep/driver/development.....consistency

Tom,
I watched the 99 or 2000 ARRC and remember 1:39.2 in qualifing.....shocked me then, will be my goal this upcoming year..... Wheels, tires, personal conditioning,and yes ,snug lug nuts....... Walked up to Huffmaster after the Pro-it while tech was handing out weight slips.....My bottom line was 237....Robbies 147.....it all adds up...... a well run team .

Steve E., I don't think we're implying excessive power, just too damn fast for what we're used to ...this year.... Lot has changed in the ECU powered cars, what kinda increases have been acheived in the wobbling rotor? my guess, just an increased average torque value......

The RX8 seemed to really come alive in the Saturday sprint race.....Steve, Hope you guys can get that sexy car up to speed with the weight corrections...... looks great.

David


The tires may have given a second or 2 but he can drive. And the Speedsource cars used to turn 1:41's before Road Atlanta was re-vamped. And before open ECU's. So, 1-2 seconds for ECU's, 1-2 seconds for tires and you're pushing low 1:39's. And if you can really drive, if you get the run out of 7, you'll look like you're really pulling down the backstraight. Look at the video on goracingtv and you can see how he found the shortest way around the track too. I was really surprised by 1:37's but I was really surprised by 1:40's in a 240z too. When I was running 10 years ago, 1:42 was a first place time in ITS. Shows what a difference 10 years can make.

Tom:eclipsee_steering:

[Tom Donnelly]

car/prep/driver/development.....consistency

Tom,
I watched the 99 or 2000 ARRC and remember 1:39.2 in qualifing.....shocked me then, will be my goal this upcoming year David


David,

You're already close, just a few tenths off. Next year might be your year.

I think that was 2001 or 2002 that Chet ran a 1:39 in the BMW. If it was in the 240z or Sylvain in the RX7 that would have been something in 2000. Here's the top 11 results for the sprint, Chet qualified just under his race times. If you ever saw his lap times, they were almost dead on each lap. He was really consistant. Taylor and Chet were under the current lap record. 1:42 was a 2nd place time. But still under the record. And a 3rd place for Doug Stewart, David Kim's car I think. Top 5 for the enduro. Kip won the enduro with a 1:42.

ARRC Atlanta official results group six


Official Race Results Group 6 ITS
Atlanta Region ARRC and IT Enduros
00-RS-181-S Road Atlanta
Nov. 10-12, 2000 2.54 Miles
Starting time: 3:26 PM EST 37 Starters 33 Finishers Margin of victory: 7.815 Sec.
OA Region Driver Hometown Car Desc. Member# Best Lap Speed Laps
1 11 03 CHET WITTEL WOODSTOCK GA 70 DATSUN 240Z 192758 1:41.860* 89.770 20
2 79 03 TAYLOR ROBERTSON ALPHARETTA GA 92 BMW 325-I 179012 1:42.663* 89.068 20
3 21 40 DOUG STEWART NASHVILLE TN 71 DATSUN 240Z 238387 1:42.819 88.932 20
4 17 29 STEVE PAUL WESTERVILLE OH PRELUDE 273585 1:43.075 88.712 20
5 46 03 JEFF HILL GRIFFIN GA 86 NAZDA 231076 1:43.001 88.775 20
6 83 03 JAMES THOMPSON LAWRENCEVILLE GA 72 DATSUN 240Z 237594 1:43.481 88.364 20
7 2 03 JOHN M. WILLIAMS LILBURN GA 71 DATSUN 240Z 105526 1:43.408 88.426 20
8 55 03 LARRY STEPP ATLANTA GA HONDA PRELUDE 234508 1:43.945 87.969 20
9 01 83 MIKE Van STEENBURG SUDBURG MA 89 MAZDA 77250 1:43.712 88.167 20 10 31
10 RAY HUFFMASTER ROCHESTER HILLS MI 90 MAZDA RX07 269616 1:43.910 87.999 20
11 03 83 KIP VanSTEENBURG SUDBURG MA 93 BMW 325I 279307 1:44.697 87.337 20



Class Car Laps Total time Speed Margin Race dist. ITS 11 20 34:28.079 88.429 7.815 50.8 * = Under existing lap record

Revised Official Race Results Group 8 Enduro: ITA, ITS
Atlanta Region ARRC and IT Enduros00-RS-181-S Road Atlanta
Nov. 10-12, 2000 45 Starters 35 Finishers Margin of victory: 54.216 Sec.
OA CP Class Region Driver Hometown Car Desc. Member# Best Lap Speed Laps
1 1 ITS 03 83 KIP VanSTEENBURG SUDBURY MA 93 BMW 325i 279307 1:42.768 88.977 52
2 2 ITS 79 03 TAYLOR ROBERTSON ALPHARETTA GA 92 BMW 325-i 179012 1:43.245 88.566 52
3 3 ITS 66 83 PAUL S MEARS JR ORLANDO FL 89 MAZDA 267823 1:42.392 89.303 52
4 4 ITS 21 40 DOUG STEWART NASHVILLE TN 71 DATSUN 240z 238387 1:43.605 88.258 52
5 5 ITS 83 03 JAMES THOMPSON LAWRENCEVILLE GA 72 DATSUN 240Z 237594 1:44.172 87.777 52

[SPiFF]

I tore that car down in impound and know it well. It is legal. If you have something to say grow a set.

Welp, I don't know anything about the car nor anything to say really, so I will take your word for it.

It is just extraordinary to have a car which has been popular in ITS for many years and is supposed to make in the 180-ish HP range and 130-ish pound feel of TQ range to out run the ITR cars like that. Those cars left me, Spillman, and the others for dead on the back straight.

Now, I am not (really) complaining about the lap time. (Other then it is pretty much impossible in an ITS Intregra.) I watched the Pro-IT race from the T5 hill and was around him for the sprint sessions. His driving was a thing of beauty.

I was in P5 OA on lap 1 of the sprint race and the ITR cars were not that far behind when they hit the back straight. Extraordinary I still say.

[Greg Amy]

I watched the 99 or 2000 ARRC and remember 1:39.2 in qualifing...

I think that was 2001 or 2002 that Chet ran a 1:39 in the BMW.
Weren't those in the pre-SIR-we're-300-pounds-too-light-to-today's-process-and-Bimmerworld-is-spending-shitloads-of-money-trying-to-build-a-reputation days...?

[dspillrat]

Weren't those in the pre-SIR-we're-300-pounds-too-light-to-today's-process-and-Bimmerworld-is-spending-shitloads-of-money-trying-to-build-a-reputation days...?

Me thinks.....Well, yes I remember correctly... The old ARRC online used to have the results, both qualify and race .... Must have been in 99.....One of the speedsource cars.... low 39s..... Was my first time visiting the track... RX-7s did the deed.... Wish I could find the old site. My point being that the Rx7 has ran comparable times 9-10 years ago.....not race times in the 39s but have qualified on A compound hoosiers back in the day...... 95 percent sure.

david

[Greg Amy]

Wish I could find the old site.
The 'Net never forgets...

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.arrc-online.com

[dspillrat]

Thanks Greg,

Unless it happened in 99 I'm wrong....somehow...memory a terrible thing to waste....or lose.

Not likely 99 was quicker then 2000-2004


Anybody got 1999 arrc qualifing times??

[Tom Donnelly]

David,

You could be right. Around 1999 was a benchmark for Speedsource. They were dominant about that time. I have results somewhere. I'll see if I can find them.

Tom

[seckerich]

Welp, I don't know anything about the car nor anything to say really, so I will take your word for it.

It is just extraordinary to have a car which has been popular in ITS for many years and is supposed to make in the 180-ish HP range and 130-ish pound feel of TQ range to out run the ITR cars like that. Those cars left me, Spillman, and the others for dead on the back straight.

Now, I am not (really) complaining about the lap time. (Other then it is pretty much impossible in an ITS Intregra.) I watched the Pro-IT race from the T5 hill and was around him for the sprint sessions. His driving was a thing of beauty.

I was in P5 OA on lap 1 of the sprint race and the ITR cars were not that far behind when they hit the back straight. Extraordinary I still say.

Fair enough, I just got a little bent when an old thread gets restarted with a jab at someone cheating. I know and respect Rob and Ray and do not believe there is anything illegal on the car. If that is not your intent then I am sorry.

We do still make 180 (give or take a few with the phase of the moon) and the Motec did broaden the power curve. It is a car (RX7) we have raced for a lot of years and made a lot of very small gains in handling and tune. Add that to a track with good pavement and wider runout area and it adds up. I will pull the data books on the old Speedsource 70 but I know David ran 1:39 in some sessions before and that was on the S04 tire. ARRC this year was the perfect storm of tire and track condition.

As for the ITR comparison Kip has been faster there in his Miata than the Porsche so it is hard to call that a 10/10ths comparison yet. Power to weight calc is not the same so it will not be the gap you would expect anyway. I expect when we get the RX8 up to speed we will only be about 1.5 - 2 seconds faster than the S car on a 2 mile track.