LRP NARRC Runoffs

[wepsbee]

Registration is now open for the NARRC runoffs at LRP. Supps did not list rain!!!!!

[Dave Zaslow]

The ITB online entries are up to 13 and I see the following notable names:

Bannerman
Benazic
Ford
Gerundo
Gran
Hubbard
Mullen
Pedersen
Reece
Tartaglia
Wagner
Wentworth
Zaslow

Where are S&R Blethen, Curran, Gleason, Subtelny, Tinis et. al.?

Tapped out? Computer challenged? Afraid of the 120% rule? Out of beer?

See you next week!

DZ

[RSTPerformance]

Where are S&R Blethen, Curran, Gleason, Subtelny, Tinis et. al.?

Tapped out? Computer challenged? Afraid of the 120% rule? Out of beer?

See you next week!

DZ

Just spent the rest of the seasons race budget on a weekend on Martha's Vineyard... got engaged :eek:

will be back out next year though, I hope the ITB fields stay as strong :)

My bet is Hubbard will win... He needs to go to the ARRC, I think he has the only potential to beat out those darn VW's, especially on that track where his car will really be able to get out and use that good p/w ratio!

Top 5:
Hubbard
Gran
Zaslow
Wentworth
Benazic

see you soon;

Raymond

[Doc Bro]

Congratulations Raymond!!

[gran racing]

That's awesome Ray!! Congratulations.

I'm iffy for this weekend. Something about my rear rotor ending up in my front head light on Saturday. :( I just need to find a source for a replacement rear radius rod. It's going to be a tough ITB race, that's for sure!

[lateapex911]

OK, what the hell? Details? At the club day?

[dazzlesa]

i dont follow predictions but 5th for me?
i guess that will be my motivation to do some ass kicking

[CRallo]

i dont follow predictions but 5th for me?
i guess that will be my motivation to do some ass kicking

prove him wrong Rick! :D

[gran racing]

Hey, if I don't show that moves you up to 4th. :p Actually, I have you as the one of two guys to beat for this race. Not entirely sure who the other is though.

[JLawton]

The "B" race should be one of the better this weekend. Looks like a decent turn out all around.... Hope the weather holds!

[dazzlesa]

dave g if you do show up then it will be kessler honda's 1st and 2nd. the rest can go scratch

[kjh6576]

Congratulations Raymond !! and thanks for painting a "Bulls Eye" on my bumper. LMAO..
Im just hoping to finish the race without parts flyin off the ol' car, like wheels and stuff. Great to see a strong B field. Its a craps shoot to guess who might win. Anything can happen and usually does.
Good to see you "Rick" fired up. For certian, wet or dry we'll all have a blast. Get that stinkin Honda fixed Dave. See you guys a Slime rock

[StephenB]

I soooooo wish it wasn't my 1 yr. anniversary this weekend! I would LOVE to be heckling and running with everyone. Lets hope it's a different weekend next year! Good luck to everyone and lets plan an ITB 25 year old re-union and we can ALL run together next year!

Stephen

[Andy Bettencourt]

Lovin' the ITB SMACK!!!

[Dave Zaslow]

You read it here first....

Qualifying:

Wentworth
Hubbard
Benazic
Gran
Zaslow
Gerundo
Reece
Gleason
Bannerman
Tartaglia
Pedersen
Wagner
Ford

[gran racing]

I'm determined to make it but the salvage yard gods haven't been so kind thus far. No one has the darn part I need. I did manage to extract the rear rotor from my head light though. (Yes, that's a portion of the rotor in the headlight area.)

http://www.improvedtouring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=359

That works for me Dave. :) Let's hope for some rain on Saturday afternoon to shake up the race results though.

[Jeremy Billiel]

The weather looks like crap. Typical LRP NARRC-Offs!

[mossaidis]

The weather looks like crap. Typical LRP NARRC-Offs!

uh... showers

High
69°F
SHOWERS!
Precip
40%
Wind:From SSE at 12 mph Max. Humidity:90%UV Index:3 ModerateSunrise:6:53 AM ETAvg. High:67°FRecord High:81°F (1950)

[wepsbee]

uh... showers

High
69°F
SHOWERS!
Precip
40%
Wind:From SSE at 12 mph Max. Humidity:90%UV Index:3 ModerateSunrise:6:53 AM ETAvg. High:67°FRecord High:81°F (1950)
40% is not bad, still gives us hope!!!

[Doc Bro]

40% is not bad, still gives us hope!!!

Dan,

You're kidding right. Today is tuesday, by Sat the percent goes upt to 120% chance of rain.

R

[ed325its]

Who wants to buy Ed's world famous Kuhmo rain tires?

[gran racing]

With our luck it will be sunny outside. Bring the rain but make it obvious rain tires are the choice. Yahooo! Dirt Stockers would be nice to have. Oh well.

[mossaidis]

No repeats of June 20th please... that sucked

[Tkczecheredflag]

Rain - Interesting.:eclipsee_steering:

[dazzlesa]

dirt stockers yes, do they work anymore? dont know.

[robits325is]

I thought dirt stockers weren't DOT approved?

[Racer Chris]

I'm iffy for this weekend.
You're not ready to give up on the idea yet or I wouldn't have seen you at Hoosier Tire East yesterday buying one? tire. :)

[gran racing]

Not at all giving up. Supposidly the local Honda dealership will be receiving the last part I need to fix the car today.

[Andy Bettencourt]

I thought dirt stockers weren't DOT approved?

Some of them are soem of them aren't. They don't make 'em in 15's anymore.

[mossaidis]

I thought dirt stockers weren't DOT approved?

old ones still have dot numbers on them... I guess that means they are dot approved

[lawtonglenn]

.

:)


Given all the ITB smack talk, that certainly will be one race to watch.

However (in order to generate more interest in the ITS race) I want to point out
that there is one possible outcome of Saturday's race that will result in a 3-way
TIE for NARRC points in ITS. Yes, it is unlikely outcome, but if I win and Brian
Bagnall comes in 6th, then the final points will be:

2425 DEDRICK, Jay
2425 BAGNALL, Brian
2425 LAWTON, Glenn


:)

.

[jpvonoy]

We had a beautiful day today at LRP...a bit chilly but at least it was sunny and dry. Lots of fast times... here's the top 5 Qual for Group 2:

1. Bettencourt 1:00.854
2. Hawthorne 1:01.743
3. Lawton 101.934
4. Lingenheld 102.496
5. Gulick 103.669

[StephF]

Those are some SICK qualifying times there! :eek:
Wish we were making it down for the A race, but won't get to leave here until noon or so.
Have fun everyone!!!
(oh, and it's pouring up here right now.....:rolleyes:)

[Tkczecheredflag]

Reporting in from UCONN Parents Weekend.

ITA -Hawthorne passes AB for a last lap victory-waiting for details from the racers.
TK

[Andy Bettencourt]

Wet but drying track. Top 5 chose everything from Dries to intermediates, to full wets. I went 'safe' and grabbed some R888's of of one of our rental cars. When Shane and Jeff rolled up on dries, I had wished I had joined them.

Shane and I gapped the field pretty quickly and we ran nose to tail the ENTIRE race. I think I led 30 or teh 32 laps - just not the last one! He got by me a couple times but was help up in traffic in the downhill and I got back by each time. When it was my turn to get held up, he made a great pass while taking the 1 to go board. No chance for me to get him back.

Shane deserved the win as he was faster than me in a few critical spots and drove a great race. 32 laps of his car velcro'd to mine. As a pair, we lapped the entire run group.

We have the car really hooked as is evidence by the Q time. Wished I had a chance to reset the track record again...

[Andy Bettencourt]

BTW: Denise Vanburen is within 8 10th's of some pretty crafty drivers in her Escort GT!

[gran racing]

ITA turned out to be THE race to watch. Congrats to both Shane and Andy.

Gulick in his IT7 car came in 5th in ITA, and nearly came in 4th. Hell of a run! (Rumors have it that was all because of properly set tire pressures ON grid LOL)

Rick in ITB kicked some butt out there. I'd love to know what it felt like using the dirt stockers vs. Hoosier Radial wets. I was doing absolutely everything no just to put the car off and was not happy with how it was handling. This summer I went out in full wet conditions and it felt much, much better. Don't know what was going on here. I had some challenges that I couldn't seem to overcome with an ITS car (I so wanted to hit him!!!!) Rick pulled away. Then the radio reports came in with Nat catching up. This was one of my first times having someone on a radio and it was quite helpful, although I wish Jake could have heard me. The car felt a lot slower, but maybe it was the tires getting dry? In the end I blew the motor and sat on the sidelines with just a few laps to go. Turned out a hose severed off which caused the engine to go. Not good. Actually, *%&@!!!

Nat with his Blethen (that's who I thought copyrighted it?) set-up (left wet tires; right dry tires) earned second. Nice job.

[gran racing]

Btw, what's the ITB track record?

[vwzx7]

ITA......man that was a fun race to watch!!!:)

[Greg Amy]

When Shane and Jeff rolled up on dries, I had wished I had joined them.
Gotta be "tight" with THE Weatherman, man...

;)

[Seabee]

Nice work Shane and Andy.

Dam Honda Nation.

Great running with you guys and ITA all year and look forward to next year.

[JLawton]

I wasn't sure I had made the right choice the first couple of laps. Max got me on the start but knowing he was on Dirt Stockers i knew I only had to be patient......... But apparently not patient enough........... Went off in the left hander on about lap three, managed to come back and grab third. The car was SO on the edge the whole race. My butt cheeks are sore from clenching them the whole time!!

I do appreciate everyone's consideration when I came back up through the field. Everyone showed some great sportsmanship.

Shane and Andy were on fire!! Congrats to Shane. Well deserved.

And I'm VERY happy breaking into the 1:01s!!! Kessler put a hell of a set up on. I only wish it was dry for the race!!

Fun weekened!!

[dazzlesa]

kessler maintained honda civic si wins narrc runoffs in ITB.
i do appreciate somebody kickin the beehive.
results
rick
nat
richard g
tim m
paul c
it started to rain again 15 min before our race. that gave me the advantage i needed.
dave g fought me hard at first, later overheating ended his day. nat had put drys on the left side and rains on the right. as the track dried it actually worked, i think.
too bad we did not have a qualifying race saturday. it would have been wild. its not that often that so many fast cars show up at the same time.
it was definatly cool winning this race.

[BruceG]

Lot's of guys complaining in the pits about going out on rains and then no grip in the dry. Lou in IT7 told me he had no grip on his dirt stockers once the track started to dry and a friend in Formula VEE(they delayed the start to allow folks to switch to rains!!)ran on his new Hoosier rains and was chasing the wet line to get any kind of grip at all during their race.

Skip Barber has had a deal with the devil regarding weather for SCCA at LRP this year....LOL.

[CREX ITA 69]

Thanks for the kind words everyone :smilie_pokal: What a race huh ! I have to say that was the the most fun I have had in 12 yrs racing, not just because I got the WIN ! 32 laps of pure nose 2 tail with AB who ran an exceptional race was just AWSOME :happy204:! Andy ran clean and fast and to those who say he can not handle the presure of a tight race, that is simply not the case.....Kudos to Andy, and anyone who was there to witness it can testify.........No to the BEAT part.......My camera never turned on:shrug: and I have NO video.......:blink: ! Thanks again all.....Good luck at the Glen.

[vwzx7]

No to the BEAT part.......My camera never turned on:shrug: and I have NO video.......:blink: !

WTF?? :shrug: I turn the little selector to "camera" and pusha da button.... no takie movie! :confused:

[Doc Bro]

Congratulations to Shane and Andy for a very entertaining and professional race. Reminded me of Tim K and John V in ITC 4 years ago. Excellent.

Also congrats to Dave Maynard for qualifying in the 59's and smoking the field in the race as well.

Big congrats on the 1-2 and thank you's to the Autotechnic guys for racing me really hard and really clean on a very changing track.

For me it was a conservative race plan; finish clean, be smooth, win the championship.

I would like to extend my sincerest appreciation to Rob Thiele for being a very formidable competitor this season. Rob you raced hard and fast and clean lap after lap after lap this year, and you took the battle right down to the wire. You made me be on my "A' game every weekend. Thanks. I'll race with you anyday!!!

I look forward to doing it one more time in NJ.

R

[Tkczecheredflag]

Not sure if I missed the post but if I didn't let me be the first to say Congrats! to Andy on his NARRC Championship - Way to go Champ. Two in a row, right?

And Shane - As I mentioned on the phone, I couldn't be happier for you on this win at the NARRC - OFFS- You beat the Champ - Not an easy task - Nice one.

Load up all these "hot rods" up and come on down to NJMP for the Team DI - PRO IT and JERK, in a couple of weeks. Markie, Crazy Joe and Me are looking for a little variety.

Also, Congrats to Dr Bro and all the other NARRC Champions - Nicely done.

[dominojd]

- Way to go Champ. Two in a row, right?



Oh how soon we all forget. :shrug:

[JLawton]

Here's my video. A fair amount of action considering the length of the race. Lots of sawing at the wheel to keep the back end behind me!

Good shot of Max getting hit by the Celica about 2/3 of the way through.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6124635/15908017

[Tkczecheredflag]

Oh how soon we all forget. :shrug:
Just wanted to see if you were paying attention Joe.:happy204:

[lateapex911]

Jeff, funny stuff there around 17 or so minutes to go when your mirror flies off. (I know I shouldn't laugh! ;)) And I think Max's tail jinked a bit into the Celica. Maybe it's a shared blame deal, but looks like it was a light tap anyway.(She was a bit off the pace..)

[StephenB]

Btw, what's the ITB track record?

It was Rick P. with his alfa in the 1990s with I think a 103.3 unless of course you all beat that this weekend :eek: I turned a 103.7 in 2008 with Ken on my but in his 2002. Did anyone get in the 3s this past weekend?

How did ken do anyway, he has been fast all year in the pro-it stuff. Congrats to Tim on a great finish amoungst the fastest of B!:happy204:

And to all the others congrats as well, I plan on finding out what events everyone is doing next year so that I can race with you more, this year was fun but only a few of us did the pro-it races, and I would love to mix it up with all of you again :026:

Stephen

[lateapex911]

It was Rick P. with his alfa in the 1990s with I think a 103.3 unless of course you all beat that this weekend

Stephen

EVERYone was in the 3s. I *Think* Dave Gran turned a 1:03.330. And IIRC, there were a couple others under 4 as well.

It was certainly a last minute, finger biting, hope for the weather gods to cooperate type of weekend. Unlike the June event, when it sprinkled and dried, sprinkled and dried, sprinkled..and I went out on dries...and it poured, I had the rains on and ready, with the car in the air ready to change to dries. And, with 3 laps to go in the group before me, I gambled and went out on Q tires, and while the first few laps were h-a-i-r-y, (1" off line and swisssh! off the course you went, just ask Jeff) I KNEW it was the right call.

An interesting race, one I wish I had had time to get the videotape running...but Dave Gran was airing up my tires on grid with under a minute to go, so...no video. :(. This is one race I really wish I was in an ITR car, and was in 3rd place just to watch Andy and Shane battle. Man, that must've been a fun one to watch.

I LOVE it when it rains because it shakes things up. In the A race we had guys on every tire possible: Race drys, Qualifying drys, intermediates, Hoosier wets, and Hoosier dirt stockers. Which made for wild racing. Wendell gambled on a wet setup, but it was too soft. So he cut a LF down in big bend. I was fully alongside Jeremy von Oy, who was getting held up by Wendells issues, when he came down on me at the last exit of big bend. I got on the brakes, but only could back out halfway. I took to the berm, so the contact wasn't nearly as bad as I had envisioned, no biggie at all! Jeremy came over to apologise later (Much appreciated!!), but no apology needed, one of those things. And I owe "Mad Max" an attaboy, and an apology for giving his rear bumper some love out of the left hander when I was on the throttle, and he either wasn't, or his tires were slipping. Close running, slippery track and these things happen. He was awesome in the downhill, that 240 really stuck well. And with the power he has, I couldn't get by. Oh well, it was fun trying.

[JLawton]

I LOVE it when it rains because it shakes things up. In the A race we had guys on every tire possible: Race drys, Qualifying drys, intermediates, Hoosier wets, and Hoosier dirt stockers. Which made for wild racing. Wendell gambled on a wet setup, but it was too soft. So he cut a LF down in big bend. I was fully alongside Jeremy von Oy, who was getting held up by Wendells issues, when he came down on me at the last exit of big bend. I got on the brakes, but only could back out halfway. I took to the berm, so the contact wasn't nearly as bad as I had envisioned, no biggie at all! Jeremy came over to apologise later (Much appreciated!!), but no apology needed, one of those things. And I owe "Mad Max" an attaboy, and an apology for giving his rear bumper some love out of the left hander when I was on the throttle, and he either wasn't, or his tires were slipping. Close running, slippery track and these things happen. He was awesome in the downhill, that 240 really stuck well. And with the power he has, I couldn't get by. Oh well, it was fun trying.

What really pisses me off is that after a couple of laps Max and I had gapped the field and I knew he was on Dirt Stockers and would be burning them up shortly. So I was being VERY patient. (and I knew I had no chance of running down the dynamic duo) I just got a little wide in the left hander and off the dry line............ Oh well, it made it more interesting!!

Yeah, that 240 could stick in the down hill. The one place I couldn't gain on him. He's come a long way in the last couple of years.

And to all the ITA guys (and girls) a few years ago you could have run a 1:03 and won the race. And nobody really said much about Andy's 1:00.8 in qualifying. Holy, holy shit!!! Kessler's motivational speach after seeing that: Forget about it, you'll never come CLOSE to that! LOL

I can't wait until next year!!!

[rthiele]

Congrats Rob for the ITR championship win! You ran a good and consistent season, well deserved. I tried to make it not too easy and keep it open to the last minute, but I had nothing this weekend.
Thanks for some good NARRC racing and CU at Pro IT finals.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Like I told Shane, one of these days we are gonna get to race in the dry when he doesn't spin off!

The track was FAST on Friday. REAL fast. Don't know many who didn't grab a personal best.

[gran racing]

Kessler's motivational speach after seeing that: Forget about it, you'll never come CLOSE to that! LOL

LMAO! I can so picture that exchange. I was kinda waiting for him to tell me that I may have blown my motor but at least my wheel didn't fall off.

There were actually a bunch of B cars in the 1:03s. I finally started increasing my mid corner speeds especially in big bend which I didn't compensate for during qualifying and spun in front of Dave. I personally was going over a 1/2 second faster than ever before. Speaking of Dave Z, he threw down a 1:03.5 during qual. - awesome. I wouldn't be overly surprised if pushed enough with a tow, and the right conditions, we see some high 1:02s. Oh yeah, that's right. Eric Curran did that last year in Paul's car.

[BruceG]

It was Rick P. with his alfa in the 1990s with I think a 103.3 unless of course you all beat that this weekend :eek: I turned a 103.7 in 2008 with Ken on my but in his 2002. Did anyone get in the 3s this past weekend?

How did ken do anyway, he has been fast all year in the pro-it stuff. Congrats to Tim on a great finish amoungst the fastest of B!:happy204:

And to all the others congrats as well, I plan on finding out what events everyone is doing next year so that I can race with you more, this year was fun but only a few of us did the pro-it races, and I would love to mix it up with all of you again :026:

Stephen

Rick Pocock is a very understated fellow. Fast as a whip in FF and ITB. Had him as an instructor in both Skippy racing school and SCDA and you'd never know what a great record he had on track from him, ever. His career came to an end last year in NJ with a bad crash in his Club Ford but a great instructor and nice guy.

Enough gay love on here, Rick...LOL

[Andy Bettencourt]

The new pavement has a TON of grip but we all had to dial out a touch of push to start bettering our lap times. Plus now we know to stay off the inside curbs in the uphill and West Bend...

Not a huge fan of a 2-day single but the 32 lap race was worth it!!!

[benspeed]

How about some ITS and ITR updates? Any times and finishing positions? Good battles?

Way to go Doc Bro on the NARRC championship - Rob Thiele, you are a consumate gentleman. Looking foward to the Pro IT at NJMP to polish off the season

[lateapex911]

What really pisses me off is that after a couple of laps Max and I had gapped the field and I knew he was on Dirt Stockers

Dirt stockers?? Really? I thought I saw something else on like molded rains, but not dirt stockers. If he was on dirt stockers, he's a god, and he burned those things down. No offense, he was clearly working that car, and made it wide where it had to be, but dirt stockers? I don't think so.

[JLawton]

Dirt stockers?? Really? I thought I saw something else on like molded rains, but not dirt stockers. If he was on dirt stockers, he's a god, and he burned those things down. No offense, he was clearly working that car, and made it wide where it had to be, but dirt stockers? I don't think so.

Just cause you couldn't get around him doesn't mean it's not true!! :cool:

I had a "little" more time in pre-grid to see what was going on than you did............ He did a lot of searching for water and by the end was going really slow (but still amazingly fast considering!)

[dominojd]

I had a "little" more time in pre-grid to see what was going on than you did............

What are you talkin about? Jake is always the first car on grid. :rolleyes:

[BruceG]

Just cause you couldn't get around him doesn't mean it's not true!! :cool:

I had a "little" more time in pre-grid to see what was going on than you did............ He did a lot of searching for water and by the end was going really slow (but still amazingly fast considering!)

Jake....Lou in IT7 was definately on dirt stockers. He showed me them in the pits and on his car before the race. He told me in the pits after that he had no grip in the dry on them and had to look for the rain line.....LOL.

[lateapex911]

Just cause you couldn't get around him doesn't mean it's not true!! :cool:

I had a "little" more time in pre-grid to see what was going on than you did............ He did a lot of searching for water and by the end was going really slow (but still amazingly fast considering!)

yea yea, next to him, but pushed off into the wet, LOL. so, no, didn't get around him. Maybe he had some old ones, but they haven't been available in anything over a 13" in two or more years, I thought.

[lateapex911]

What are you talkin about? Jake is always the first car on grid. :rolleyes:
Hey, in Summit, I had top notch crew, and I was 1st car on grid for all sessions but one.! (It was reeeeaaaaly tight on Saturday, last minute change to Qs)

[Andy Bettencourt]

Max runs the Rain Radial.

[maynard]

I had alot of fun this weekend congrats rob on the ITR championship. Andy that was a really good race you guys had going i never knew who was going to come downhill first:eclipsee_steering:

[Dave Zaslow]

What did you all think of the race length?

Longer, shorter, or the same next year?

DZ

[gran racing]

I thought the race length was fine. What I'd love to see changed is how Friday is utilized. Have a 10 min qual session then figure out a more fun way to use the remaining time. I realize that no racing is allowed on Friday, but are there other different "practice" or qualifying formats that could be used?

[BruceG]

Lou said that they are no longer available(dirt stockers).

[lateapex911]

Lou said that they are no longer available(dirt stockers).

Not true. Only the 13" in one size is available. I have a new set waiting for me in VA. Appalachian Tire has graciously procured a set for me, just in case it rains at VIR for the Goblins Go.

[hondaman321]

Fast, Very Fast, A Little Too Fast, Whats He Got Under There A Turbo Or Maybe Some Big Boy Cams. Wow Its Fast, And Do Not Tell Me Its The Driver

[BruceG]

Not true. Only the 13" in one size is available. I have a new set waiting for me in VA. Appalachian Tire has graciously procured a set for me, just in case it rains at VIR for the Goblins Go.

Are the dirt stockers better than the regular Hoosier rains in a 13", Jake?

[lateapex911]

Fast, Very Fast, A Little Too Fast, Whats He Got Under There A Turbo Or Maybe Some Big Boy Cams. Wow Its Fast, And Do Not Tell Me Its The Driver

Quoted for posterity.

So, let's get serious for a second, shall we?

It's clear you're saying he's cheating. So, be a man, and sign your name, etc.

Once that's done. bring evidence. As in what makes you so smart? you're claiming that, during a rain race, a guy who's shown lot's of fast driving before, and who has spend time in the Pro ranks, is clearly cheating.

Time to present some evidence. Or STFU.

[lateapex911]

Are the dirt stockers better than the regular Hoosier rains in a 13", Jake?

No hard data, but the DSs have a different compound, and are known to be awesome on cold wet conditions. They also burn down quickly if it begins to dry. Junk on a dry track. The Radial Rains, (aka 'molded rains') are thought to have better water channeling, but a compound that won't burn down on a drying track.

At this point, the 13" is the only available comparison point. Rick B used them to hunt down and pass Dave Gran in the wet in the ITB race. Daves on larger than 13" wheels so it's not an option for him to use DSs.

[maynard]

"hondaman 321" i tell u what bud give me ur car and u can drive my car and we will see who is faster.PS i can drive anything and i have the backround to back it up with and if you have any other issue you can call my shop or if you want driving lessons i give those too. IT was a rain race and power doesnt matter i was runnig 109s hahaha, but if you want the car is for still for sale.

[gran racing]

Actually my rains are mounted on oem 13" rims.

[dj10]

are there any posted results?

[wepsbee]

Fast, Very Fast, A Little Too Fast, Whats He Got Under There A Turbo Or Maybe Some Big Boy Cams. Wow Its Fast, And Do Not Tell Me Its The Driver
WOW, They blew by me like I was parked and having coffee but I attribute it to their experience ( ie: guts) and a car properly setup.The whole field was lapped during this race by the front 2 but I would have bet no one was thinking there was cheating gong on. Those drivers exhibit too much class on and off the track. They made an effort to talk to me ( a fledgling driver ) with offers of advice which I doubt would come from drivers intent on cheating to win. I think comments need to be supported by facts first.

[lateapex911]

Dan, he (she?) is actually referring to Dave Maynard, in an ITR BMW E36. Dave spanked the field in the IRR/ITS/ITB race group. You're thinking of Shane and Andy. Neither drive a BWM, and Hondaman seems to have a hard on over BMWs. He knows his BMWs, and only BMW drivers cheat, it seems. In his 5 posts here on the site, he's done nothing but accuse various BMW drivers of cheating. He goes by the name "Biff".

[wepsbee]

Dan, he (she?) is actually referring to Dave Maynard, in an ITR BMW E36. Dave spanked the field in the IRR/ITS/ITB race group. You're thinking of Shane and Andy. Neither drive a BWM, and Hondaman seems to have a hard on over BMWs. He knows his BMWs, and only BMW drivers cheat, it seems. In his 5 posts here on the site, he's done nothing but accuse various BMW drivers of cheating. He goes by the name "Biff".
I am sorry, I do apologize, You are correct in that I thought the discussion concerned the ITA race, the only race I can actually comment on.

[hondaman321]

hey maynard, I have read posts on other forums about your car, lets get real and not argue this. Thats all I have to say.
thanks,
Biff

[dickita15]

I remember Biff, he was the bully under the trailer load of manure in Back to the Future.

[lateapex911]

I remember Biff, he was the bully under the trailer load of manure in Back to the Future.

LOL, great movie, and scene. THAT Biff was entertaining. This one's just an internet idiot. Sad they let him on the track property.

[maynard]

"hondaman" I think you need to rethink about who you are talking about bud cuz ill tell you one thing i dont cheat. My motor is all stock and the race motor that was in the car was blown at the start of the season and not by me. I also wondering what forums you are talking about cuz i am only on this forum and i dont run bmw club so what your issue. online warrior who are you.

[dazzlesa]

i use 5 year old dot 14" dirt stockers on acura aluminum rims. dont know how long they will last but they have been the best money spent compared to how many drys i have gone through

[mossaidis]

Here's the sequence of events in my prescriptive. During the morning 5-6 min warm-ups, I ran with Hoosier wets and they rocked! Of course the course was still wet and rain was coming down. in the short time I was there, I passed every closed wheel car I came across (even a GT1) - what an ego booster.

By the time group 2 started, rain had stopped but the track was till wet - we're all hoping that the rain would start again since we decided to stay on the hoosier wets.

I had the inside line on row 4 at the start. Tucked behind the car in front of me and I could not see the flag station, but for some reason I could Jeff Lawton's tail lights (2nd row). I waited for his brake lights to go off. no brake lights - go! Jake's RX7 in front of me was slower off the start, I rolled right to pass, protected the inside line, made a b-line for big bend not giving an inch, not lifting and hoping others would before I do. By big bend I was able to pull in front of Jake and protect the inside against Jeremy Von oy in 6th - "ok, I am 5th place now. Keep things moving."

The first four cars (Shane, Andy, Max and Jeff) in front of me were making a quick getaway while I waited for tires to warm-up. Jeff Lawton spins out in lap 3 at the left hander giving me 4th place (I felt so bad, I laughed a little cause of Andy's comments before the race and kept moving) By lap 4, I had Max Lingenfeld (3rd) about 8 seconds in front and in clear view on the front and noname straights and I was catching up. Tires warming up - I start pushing more. I'm focused... I think "this might be a podium..."

yeah... NOT

Well, it wasn't another lap before tires were shot. http://www.mohud-scca.org/Discuss/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif running 10/10ths was just out of the question. big bend and the esses turned into a 5/10th game and wasn't another a lap or two before the track was dry in some places and Jack, Jeremy and Jeff passed me. The front end pushed, the rear end would come around w/o warning and somewhere on lap 10 I thought to himself *wtf, why did you soften the rear shocks*. http://www.mohud-scca.org/Discuss/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

It seemed that Greg Miendl and I traded places 3-4 times for 20 laps until the last lap when his hoosier wets went on him and I pulled away for a comfortable 6th place. Greg, if you're reading this, great fun man!

Andy and I met up at the 'food' stand and we both agreed that 30+ laps at LRP in those conditions seems like an enduro. We were just exhausted - but what fun!

Thanks for making my rookie year awesome guys and gals! Big congrats to Andy, Shane, Jeff, Max, Jake and everyone else! Now, where's Greg Amy? :)

[lateapex911]

Anyone run video? Other than Jeffs postage sized windshield view. Seriously Jeff, that's a w-i-i-i-d-e angle view!

[hondaman321]

first of all, I know your grand am teammate messed up your old motor. Then the limerock race after that your car was much slower(stock motor). For you to pull away on the start this past weekend with a stock motor is a crazy thought. Could you please tell me where to get one that fast. A post one of your mechanics or fellow employees made on another site(if you remember about problems you had with a customers car and how it works in your e36 race car, if you dont remember I can send it to you. Think first this time, before coming back so harsh.

[dazzlesa]

pointer. if the track is drying and you are on rains, run off line and find water.

[dazzlesa]

attention ken h. you cannot receive private messages. as of now i plan on going to nj

[mossaidis]

pointer. if the track is drying and you are on rains, run off line and find water.

oh, I did as much of that as possible. :blink:

[JLawton]

"hondaman" I think you need to rethink about who you are talking about bud cuz ill tell you one thing i dont cheat. My motor is all stock and the race motor that was in the car was blown at the start of the season and not by me. I also wondering what forums you are talking about cuz i am only on this forum and i dont run bmw club so what your issue. online warrior who are you.

Dave, don't even waste your energy. We all know you can drive and we all know he's an idiot. It's obvious if he's talking about power in a rain race he's f'ing clueless.

[wepsbee]

Here's the sequence of events in my prescriptive. During the morning 5-6 min warm-ups, I ran with Hoosier wets and they rocked! Of course the course was still wet and rain was coming down. in the short time I was there, I passed every closed wheel car I came across (even a GT1) - what an ego booster.

By the time group 2 started, rain had stopped but the track was till wet - we're all hoping that the rain would start again since we decided to stay on the hoosier wets.

I had the inside line on row 4 at the start. Tucked behind the car in front of me and I could not see the flag station, but for some reason I could Jeff Lawton's tail lights (2nd row). I waited for his brake lights to go off. no brake lights - go! Jake's RX7 in front of me was slower off the start, I rolled right to pass, protected the inside line, made a b-line for big bend not giving an inch, not lifting and hoping others would before I do. By big bend I was able to pull in front of Jake and protect the inside against Jeremy Von oy in 6th - "ok, I am 5th place now. Keep things moving."

The first four cars (Shane, Andy, Max and Jeff) in front of me were making a quick getaway while I waited for tires to warm-up. Jeff Lawton spins out in lap 3 at the left hander giving me 4th place (I felt so bad, I laughed a little cause of Andy's comments before the race and kept moving) By lap 4, I had Max Lingenfeld (3rd) about 8 seconds in front and in clear view on the front and noname straights and I was catching up. Tires warming up - I start pushing more. I'm focused... I think "this might be a podium..."

yeah... NOT

Well, it wasn't another lap before tires were shot. http://www.mohud-scca.org/Discuss/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif running 10/10ths was just out of the question. big bend and the esses turned into a 5/10th game and wasn't another a lap or two before the track was dry in some places and Jack, Jeremy and Jeff passed me. The front end pushed, the rear end would come around w/o warning and somewhere on lap 10 I thought to himself *wtf, why did you soften the rear shocks*. http://www.mohud-scca.org/Discuss/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

It seemed that Greg Miendl and I traded places 3-4 times for 20 laps until the last lap when his hoosier wets went on him and I pulled away for a comfortable 6th place. Greg, if you're reading this, great fun man!

Andy and I met up at the 'food' stand and we both agreed that 30+ laps at LRP in those conditions seems like an enduro. We were just exhausted - but what fun!

Thanks for making my rookie year awesome guys and gals! Big congrats to Andy, Shane, Jeff, Max, Jake and everyone else! Now, where's Greg Amy? :)

The sudden snapping rotation of the rear is the condition I found myself in which caused me to spin twice. Uphill through the chicane and again in west bend. Predictable rotation I think I can handle but the suddeness of the rear this time caused me fits. I was snakebit for the rest of the race. Managed to pass a couple but it sure took awhile. Is this condition caused by the tires?? I was running used 888's thinking they would make a good itermediate ran/dry tire??

[Doc Bro]

first of all, I know your grand am teammate messed up your old motor. Then the limerock race after that your car was much slower(stock motor). For you to pull away on the start this past weekend with a stock motor is a crazy thought. Could you please tell me where to get one that fast. A post one of your mechanics or fellow employees made on another site(if you remember about problems you had with a customers car and how it works in your e36 race car, if you dont remember I can send it to you. Think first this time, before coming back so harsh.


Hey Hondaman,

Everyone's entitled to an opinion...it's just that yours is wrong. Dan (Dave's dad) maintains my car as well, I've run all season (18+ points races, plus quallies and track days) in a new car without ONE DNF/DNS. That doesn't happen by chance. That's preparation. He is METICULOUS about car prep, and is extremely ethical. You're insulting him as well.

Now on to Dave;

If I were running video of qualifying I'd gladly post it for you to see my view of Dave's driving. Very impressive. I'm not afraid to wheel a car, but I can't do what he does. He's my driving coach (well sometimes I listen to Nick and Andy) and I just won the championship. I know he's my teammate and I'm partial, but just layoff. Dave works on BMW's and professionally drives for a living. Do you think Range Rover would send him all around North America in 100K Range Rovers if he couldn't drive? If you are so adament that the car is illegal protest him....I know for a fact that they would love to have the 8K bond for a new engine. Otherwise please show him some respect...he's last years champion and his resume speaks for itself.



BTW the car is for sale....go buy it and tear it apart if you'd like....or run it and see how much slower you are. The difference in lap times- you to Dave- is called talent. That's the pill that's hard to swallow. Ask me how I know.......

R

[BruceG]

Dan, he (she?) is actually referring to Dave Maynard, in an ITR BMW E36. Dave spanked the field in the IRR/ITS/ITB race group. You're thinking of Shane and Andy. Neither drive a BWM, and Hondaman seems to have a hard on over BMWs. He knows his BMWs, and only BMW drivers cheat, it seems. In his 5 posts here on the site, he's done nothing but accuse various BMW drivers of cheating. He goes by the name "Biff".

This is why I run a 1st gen RX7. Everyone(and obviously Jake) runs by me. Only protest would ever be to see if I had an engine at all...LOL. when I went to Tech inspection at LRP in the spring and asked if they wanted to put my "new" car on the scale, the Tech inspectors laughed at me and said they had never seen a RX7 underweight. Dick was there to witness that....LOL

[BruceG]

Ps...I'll gladly put up part of the fee next spring at test and tune for Biff and Dave to run the same car and see who is faster!!

[lawtonglenn]

.



.... Thats all I have to say.
thanks,
Biff


Good... Now we don't have to listen to your drivel anymore.

.

[Ed Funk]

^^^
Don't bet on it! Drivel tends to be a recurrent problem!:rolleyes:

[BruceG]

^^^
Don't bet on it! Drivel tends to be a recurrent problem!:rolleyes:

Perhaps Slopok and Biff in a runoff at LRP. They can lap me so they feel better......LOL:eclipsee_steering:

[hondaman321]

hey docbro,
How about this, your car is not legal either. I have looked at it in the pits when you have had the hood open. I know dave,dan built it for you. However I am not sure if you had known they built it illegally or you had not known. Next time you enter a race in ITR as a 328, you should prob take off the OBD 1 MANIFOLD THAT IS NOT LEGAL. There are other things as well, As far as Dave he is by far a better driver then me I can not drive at all, however it is actually logistics(this+that). You had this debate with andy's car being so fast when you had your ita z3. Listen it is simple math, a car can only go so fast with all the proper parts.

Thanks,
Biff

[Doc Bro]

hey docbro,
How about this, your car is not legal either. I have looked at it in the pits when you have had the hood open. I know dave,dan built it for you. However I am not sure if you had known they built it illegally or you had not known. Next time you enter a race in ITR as a 328, you should prob take off the OBD 1 MANIFOLD THAT IS NOT LEGAL. There are other things as well, As far as Dave he is by far a better driver then me I can not drive at all, however it is actually logistics(this+that). You had this debate with andy's car being so fast when you had your ita z3. Listen it is simple math, a car can only go so fast with all the proper parts.

Thanks,
Biff

First off Biffer,

You're prooving yourself to ba a Jerk.

Second off you are the epitome of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

My engine is a 2.5 you dope. Everyone knows it...I been upfront about it. I can show you the emails to Dan Jones from months ago talking about this. We log booked it as a 2.8 but the season came up too quick to build and install the 2.8 so it never got done (you do know Dave and I both have new borns right?). We listed it as a 2.8 so we could switch the engine without relog booking the car as soon as it got done(remember the VIN rule went away). Third (seeing how you know everything) you must know that there is NO advantage to have a 2.5 in a 2.8 car in fact only disadvantages. They are identical except for weight. The 2.8 weighs 85# more....I declare the 2850 weight and pass tech at that weight everytime. I challenge you to find my car illegal and if you'll look at my performance I've set NO track records, and only have ONE race with a fastest lap of field. I've built a season out of consistency and heads up driving.....if I do have a cheater engine in my car I sure got ripped off seeing how I've gotten beat consistently by ITS cars. The only time I've beaten Thiele, Nimkoff and Maynard is when they've had issues. If it'll make you happy I'll list the car as a 325 and drop the 85# gladly....

I think where done here.....

Stop being a paddock lurker, an internet hater and in general a troll....come introduce yourself in the paddock and we can go over every inch of my car together (with the GCR if you'd like). Otherwise, if you don't have the courage to do that then go (you know what) yourself.

I'll take my apology anytime you're ready.

R

[raffaelli]

Thanks for the kind words everyone :smilie_pokal: What a race huh ! I have to say that was the the most fun I have had in 12 yrs racing, not just because I got the WIN ! 32 laps of pure nose 2 tail with AB who ran an exceptional race was just AWSOME :happy204:! Andy ran clean and fast and to those who say he can not handle the presure of a tight race, that is simply not the case.....Kudos to Andy, and anyone who was there to witness it can testify.........No to the BEAT part.......My camera never turned on:shrug: and I have NO video.......:blink: ! Thanks again all.....Good luck at the Glen.


Congrats Shane!

[hondaman321]

Okay Doc, I understand your explanation, however it is still not legal according to the rules, and if it is a 2.5, I could determine that in about 30 seconds looking at it which I will do in jersey. It is kind of strange since the Vin# i believe for your car is a 328, which means it had a 328 engine when you purchased the car. I am pretty sure I know where that car came from. So again I may be wrong, and I dont really care about your car. The entire point was Dave's car is too fast and I know for a fact he had non legal parts. So you should not defend someone when you dont have all the facts. He may not have those parts anymore, but like I said his car was very slow after his old motor blew up and now fast again,he claims no change. Thats all, lets go with that.

[Doc Bro]

Okay Doc, I understand your explanation, however it is still not legal according to the rules, and if it is a 2.5, I could determine that in about 30 seconds looking at it which I will do in jersey. It is kind of strange since the Vin# i believe for your car is a 328, which means it had a 328 engine when you purchased the car. I am pretty sure I know where that car came from. So again I may be wrong, and I dont really care about your car. The entire point was Dave's car is too fast and I know for a fact he had non legal parts. So you should not defend someone when you dont have all the facts. He may not have those parts anymore, but like I said his car was very slow after his old motor blew up and now fast again,he claims no change. Thats all, lets go with that.



As I said Hondaman I'll change the logbook declaration this weekend to the 2.5 and drop the weight; the car will be legal to the letter of the law.....a real big deal right?? I don't think so.


But you stated the key sentence only a little off;

"You should not ACCUSE someone when you don't have all the facts." You've accused me and Dave and Dan.....interesting no one else though, especially when there are KNOWN illegal ITR cars floating around (not speculation...KNOWN)........I think that's disrespectful and in poor taste. Be a man, stop accusing, build a car, open your wallet and shut your mouth......see what goes into it....step up to the plate. Guys like you give the SCCA and club racing a black eye. I'm done.


R

[hondaman321]

Hey docbro,
I dont really know you, however from what i have heard and when I have seen you at the track you are a great guy. I do not mean to come down harsh on you. I really do not care about you car like I said. you are a stand up guy and your car is fast, handles well, and you drive well. I had no issues with you. Because I know for a fact(100%) details of the other car we spoke of, that is why I brought it up. Just trying to make racing fair for everyone and when one person cheats then it just gets worse and worse. Look at down south several years ago, thats how this whole thing got started with ITR, because of all the cheating down there.

[Doc Bro]

Hey docbro,
I dont really know you, however from what i have heard and when I have seen you at the track you are a great guy. I do not mean to come down harsh on you. I really do not care about you car like I said. you are a stand up guy and your car is fast, handles well, and you drive well. I had no issues with you. Because I know for a fact(100%) details of the other car we spoke of, that is why I brought it up. Just trying to make racing fair for everyone and when one person cheats then it just gets worse and worse. Look at down south several years ago, thats how this whole thing got started with ITR, because of all the cheating down there.



Just when I was thinking we couldn't agree on anything!!:happy204:

I agree with you cheating is bad for the club. That's why I got rid of my Z....We had it maxed out, the only way to go faster was to spend huge bucks and/or start skirting the line.....my values would not allow me to do that. I make a living based on trust and integrity.....I don't compromise that in any aspect of my life. If I've got a beef I'll state it, if I don't I won't, but I also won't disrespect myself by slinging mud and I don't think you should either.....it's just unprofessional.

R

[maynard]

"hondaman" if you have issue with my red car please come to shop and you can take the head off but you got to put it back together again and i promise you will not find anything. My car was down power last limerock event was do to a bad coil, but i still managed to run a 100.8 in the race. I dont like being called a cheater. I put a lot of effort into the setup before that race to do what that car was able to do mainly taking spring rates that worked on my koni car and trying them on the red car and it worked. Why would i put money into that car when my other car is what i am focused on. If you would like to buy the car it is for sale and if not stop accusing people of cheating when you never even met the person your accusing...if its was a dry race it would have been a battle its just to bad it rained because i wanted to try and go faster...
thanks

[Andy Bettencourt]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/128/384008697_e869a28617.jpg
"Hey, that car can't possibly be THAT fast! He must be cheating!"

[gran racing]

That's right, didn't Andy almost break the one minute mark in an A car? :D

[Andy Bettencourt]

That's right, didn't Andy almost break the one minute mark in an A car? :D

1:00.8 is not possible in an ITA car Dave. It's all cheated up. I leave the hood open all the time so people can see it's really a 2.5L Bimmer I6. LOL!!!

[raffaelli]

1:00.8 is not possible in an ITA car Dave. It's all cheated up. I leave the hood open all the time so people can see it's really a 2.5L Bimmer I6. LOL!!!


Or is it that V8 I saw stuck in a Miata on Gearz...
:happy204:

[maynard]

hey andy how much horsepower does my car have hahahaha lol

[dj10]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/128/384008697_e869a28617.jpg
"Hey, that car can't possibly be THAT fast! He must be cheating!"

:happy204:

[almracing]

Rob - come on back to ITA!! We can continue our battles and pick on the Acuras.

[JLawton]

1:00.8 is not possible in an ITA car Dave. It's all cheated up. I leave the hood open all the time so people can see it's really a 2.5L Bimmer I6. LOL!!!

But don't forget to take off the ODB 1 manifold you cheatin' bastard!!!!!

[Andy Bettencourt]

And of course Mr. Lawton was in the 1:01's...what did Kessler say about the Egg?

[wepsbee]

You know I really only started this thread to make a comment about the weather.:shrug:

[Greg Amy]

s...what did Kessler say about the Egg?
The Egg *NEVER* did 01's at LRP; best ever was a 1:02.9 (or was it a .6?). Best I've ever done in *any* car was a 1:02.6, and that was in the 170 hp ITS Acura Integra GS-R...

Mr Lawton decisively holds the unofficial Kakashi Racing ITA lap record at LRP!!!

[StephF]

As I said Hondaman I'll change the logbook declaration this weekend to the 2.5 and drop the weight; the car will be legal to the letter of the law.....a real big deal right?? I don't think so.


But you stated the key sentence only a little off;

"You should not ACCUSE someone when you don't have all the facts." You've accused me and Dave and Dan.....interesting no one else though, especially when there are KNOWN illegal ITR cars floating around (not speculation...KNOWN)........I think that's disrespectful and in poor taste. Be a man, stop accusing, build a car, open your wallet and shut your mouth......see what goes into it....step up to the plate. Guys like you give the SCCA and club racing a black eye. I'm done.


R

:023:
What he said.

If you think they are illegal, file a protest.
Write up exactly what you perceive to be wrong with each car.
You will get your money back IF you are correct.
Internet dickery won't do diddly for keeping things legal and fair on track.

[lawtonglenn]

.



And of course Mr. Lawton was in the 1:01's...



just for clarity...congrats to Mr. J Lawton....unfortunately Mr. G Lawton was unable to get under 1:02 last weekend. :rolleyes:



.

[raffaelli]

You know I really only started this thread to make a comment about the weather.:shrug:


:blink: Silly you. LOL.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Actually Doc, I will disagree in one area. 'Biff' doesn't give the SCCA or CR a bad name, he gives himself a bad name...whatever it may be. The real shame in this all - as with all trolls, is that they don't have the nut to let you know who they are and who they pretend to represent.

[Dave Zaslow]

NARRC-offs is on Mylaps.

Guess I spun on lap 10.....

DZ

[JLawton]

what did Kessler say about the Egg?

I don't know??? That the driver was a PIA???



(I crack myself up!)

[JLawton]

The Egg *NEVER* did 01's at LRP; best ever was a 1:02.9 (or was it a .6?). Best I've ever done in *any* car was a 1:02.6, and that was in the 170 hp ITS Acura Integra GS-R...

Mr Lawton decisively holds the unofficial Kakashi Racing ITA lap record at LRP!!!


I "think" I also have the NHMS and Pocono as well!! :D

[Greg Amy]

I "think" I also have the NHMS and Pocono as well!! :D
Need my helmet? Should be big enough...

;)

[BruceG]

Actually Doc, I will disagree in one area. 'Biff' doesn't give the SCCA or CR a bad name, he gives himself a bad name...whatever it may be. The real shame in this all - as with all trolls, is that they don't have the nut to let you know who they are and who they pretend to represent.

You folks are wasting way too much verbage on this jerk, Biff! Until he actually presents a live body(and perhaps a car) at the track you're just dealing with a shape shifter...LOL. All you guys know that you aren't cheating and fast drivers will make any car look even better!!

Keep up the great work on the track(and off) and you'll most likely run into Biff at his job behind the counter at Burger King dreaming of that big day on the track....LOL.:happy204:

[Ed Funk]

---or maybe he "drives for a living":D

[wepsbee]

NARRC-offs is on Mylaps.

Guess I spun on lap 10.....

DZ
Nice chart. Is that available on Mylaps? All I see is fastest time and a total race lapchart.

[Andy Bettencourt]

[/URL]

[URL]http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=1340792&perclass=0&pos=14 (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1340792)

[wepsbee]

http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=1340792&perclass=0&pos=14
Excellent, click on your name up pops the chart Thanks, learn something everyday.

[JLawton]

So NOBODY has any other ITA video?????