12 hours of Nelson

[Hahn63]

Ok lets see a show of hands whos coming or thinking about coming. At $500 it should be a no brainer!

Roland

[StephenB]

Roland,

What is the date? This sounds like something I would love to do... Maybe I can convince someone to go I've never been to nelson! How many drivers usually participate in a 12 hr race?

Stephen

[ITA_honda]

Pit Stop???
lol

[Greg Amy]

At $500 it should be a no brainer!
I'm "in" for any $500 12-hour ride someone has available...PM me.

;)

[MMiskoe]

Greg you're smarter than that - the $500 is the team entry fee. (then again you turned me down last year to be part of the 24 hour that we went on to win overall!)

Stephen - look for 3 drivers, you could do 12 hours w/ 2 but it would be a long day. Nelson is pretty easy on brakes, but hard on everything else.

[JohnRW]

3-J's / Wild Child hand-delivered an "intent to enter" to the Registrar last weekend, during the StCt National.

Not sure what we'll be driving...but we'll be there. Trying to find a car to match all the rubber we have.

$41.67 an hour. And we'll drive in the dark, too !

[irondragon]

NL is a terrific track. A bit bumpy in places, but who needs four wheels in contact all the time. Adds to the fun.
The NEOhio people who put this race on are excellent hosts. Come and meet them.
Iron Dragon ran the races with the 280Z when they were 12 hours.Varied success but always fun and we won ITS in 2006
In 2007-08 we ran as Rhinocerous Racing in Tommy's Miata and won SM last year.
We will definitely be part of NL 12 in 2009 and I hope others from NER and other Northeast Div clubs will make the trip.
It's worth the drive and the entry fee is a bargain.

Plenty of camping area at the track.
Plan ahead about motels - this part of Ohio doesn't have a lot to offer.
Newton Falls is where to look for stuff.

Think about this: 95% of SCCA racers have never made a fuel and driver change pit stop. And of those less than half have ever driven a road course at night.
Here's a chance to do some real driving.
Enter Up!!

Bill Miskoe

[Knestis]

It took a while to cement the relationship but I came to LOVE NL. I thought of it as the "24 hours of tarmac rally." :)

K

[teritanz25]

Yup! Were in..Already sent in our $100 bucks for intent to run. We are going with a 3 man team. Can't wait to see how we fight as to whom gets to run at night.

As of those whom are on the fence. Ask yourself this, were and when can you get a total of 12 hours of track time, let alone 12 hours of track time in a racing situation, you can't. Heck, just sign up for this, run as far as you can until your cars breaks or you get tired. Imagine how much your learn about yourself, your car and your driving abilities. This is an awesome deal that they are offering us and we should all be taking advantage of it. My team is going there to win, why would we not want to win, but, if we don't, I get to go home on Sunday morning ( that's gonna hurt :o) and tell everyone that I got to drive over 4 hours in intense racing, got to make pit stops with driver changes, got to run at over 120 miles per hour in the dark and not be able to see where I was going....How awesome..I cannot wait.

Sorry to rant, I just hope you will all think about it. I would love to see over 30 teams there.

PS, if anyone has some brand new and also free tires they would like to get rid of please let me know :) just kiddin....but...........

[Hahn63]

Excellent plugs for the events, all! Now heres the deal, I need 30 cars this year, I really need more , but if we can hit 30 I can keep the event alive for next year. If we can pull together and do this then I might in a year or two get the 24 back but I need all of your help. Thanks to all of you who have raced with us in the past and we welcome those who will be joining us for the first time. For infomation please visit www.nelsonledges.com (http://www.nelsonledges.com)

Thanks again to all of you. Lets past the word along and get some cars to this race!!

Roland

[teritanz25]

Hi,

Would anyone know when the deadline for entries might be for this race. I know it's still early but the race is about 12 weeks away and we need to get the car ready to go...But, if no one is coming then there will be no need to spend all of the extra money. i am reall hoping this events get over 30 teams, hopefully the region is doing everything they can to promote it. I have been telling everyone I can about it but I can only do so much.

Thanks in advance for any help and maybe even somehow a weekly update of entries.

[Hahn63]

Don't wait for others to sign-up, this is how low turnouts happen. You'll have plenty of us to race not to mention the clock it self!:smilie_pokal:

[Hahn63]

FYI to all:

Someone has started a rumor that we might cancel the race for this year. THE RACE WILL BE RAN NO MATTER WHAT! If you have any questions or concerns please post them here or contact me via email [email protected] ([email protected])

Thanks to all that have already signed up and to those still waiting to see if any cars show up ...they will and you'll have a great time!

Roland

[ITA_honda]

FYI to all:

Someone has started a rumor that we might cancel the race for this year. THE RACE WILL BE RAN NO MATTER WHAT! If you have any questions or concerns please post them here or contact me via email [email protected] ([email protected])

Thanks to all that have already signed up and to those still waiting to see if any cars show up ...they will and you'll have a great time!

Roland


I was just going to post that up here....
you're speedy with that, Roland.
must be from driving Staci so much...:D

[datadude]

I was just going to post that up here....
you're speedy with that, Roland.
must be from driving Staci so much...:D

Seems some like to spread this and the same for every event that runs at Nelson.

[StephenB]

Excellent plugs for the events, all! Now heres the deal, I need 30 cars this year, I really need more , but if we can hit 30 I can keep the event alive for next year. If we can pull together and do this then I might in a year or two get the 24 back but I need all of your help. Thanks to all of you who have raced with us in the past and we welcome those who will be joining us for the first time. For infomation please visit www.nelsonledges.com (http://www.nelsonledges.com)

Thanks again to all of you. Lets past the word along and get some cars to this race!!

Roland

Roland,

I actually was under the impression you had to have 30 cars to run and that was the reason for the "intend to run" $100 deposit. I don't think I told anyone this but thanks for clarifying. We were debating back and forth on wether or not to spend the extra cash building a stock engine for Tims Golf... well you answered that for me!

We have officially decided that
RSTPermance Will be racing in our First ever race greater than 3 hrs!! We plan on running Tim Dugans ITB Golf with Drivers Tim Dugan, Raymond Blethen, and Stephen Blethen! Randy, Tom and whoever else we can convince to make the trip will be changing tires and helping out in pit lane! I honestly can't wait for this event! Probably going to be the #1 fun event of the year with tons of track time! This may also be the first race that we race longer on track than the tow... on second thought nope we are still towing farther than 12 hrs! Oh-well We still can't wait! We are bringing a stack of tires a few spares and we shall see how long we can make it!

Stephen :026:

PS: are you allowed spare cars :blink:

[Hahn63]

Stephen,

Glad to hear your coming..it will be a race to remember. You can bring a spare car and pull all the parts off of it you would like . The tub must be the same for the entire race. See you there!

[RSTPerformance]

Stephen,

Glad to hear your coming..it will be a race to remember. You can bring a spare car and pull all the parts off of it you would like . The tub must be the same for the entire race. See you there!

I think he wanted a spare tub... With the three of us running the car it should be interesting...

Do they use transponders??? I know we are all (the three of us)going to want to know who goes the fastest, and that's a long time to time ourselves!!!

Raymond

[Hahn63]

yes you must use a transponder just like any SCCA event. All class rules appy. I will post the supps as soon as they are approved.

Roland

[LarryWinkelman]

I'm trying to put something together, probably in a Spec Miata. Is there a list anywhere of the intended entries?

Larry

[ITZ34]

John:

I know someone with a blue miata who might me interested

[gpeluso]

any chance of an entry list?? anyone looking for funded drivers?? maybe just come by myself and run til I drop?

Greg Peluso

[Knestis]

We'd still love to find enough funded codrivers to make the trip. It would probably only be half as fun as the 24 was but still...

Kirk

[mtownneon]

I've just agreed to drive for Chad Murfin in the 12 hour, thinking I might bring my own car along with me to run the regional the next day.

It's hard to pass up that much seat time for that little money!

[LarryWinkelman]

It's July... still no supps or provisional entry list. The NL website does not appear to have been updated in 6+ weeks. What's the hold up?

[cjb25hs]

I've just agreed to drive for Chad Murfin in the 12 hour, thinking I might bring my own car along with me to run the regional the next day.

It's hard to pass up that much seat time for that little money!

Dave, I will most likely be running the next day as well. Let me know if you guys need some extra crew help, I have done a few 24rhour nelson races working over the wall. Figure I my as well come up for the whole weekend.

Chris

[RSTPerformance]

Best of luck to competitors on a successfull weekend and the region on a successfull event.

Unfortunatly we have been turned away because our driver/car owner can't run on his novice permit. We are all very disapointed (and I am turned off, posibly forever) because of this. We were able to get this novice into SCCA racing with excitement to do endurance races (this race and Summit are challenges we have wanted to do for years) and now to get tuned away from an event that seems to be strugling for entraints is a real bummer.

I don't understand why a novice permit isn't good enough for this regional race, especially on a team that has been racing in SCCA for as long as we have been. I never liked the National/Regional thing, and I really don't like this. We should be trying to help members get into the racing they are interested in, not turning them away...

Additionaly if the organizers don't think a school is good enough to sign someone off to run a regional event then we need re evaluate our schools.

Raymond "spending my limited money to race at Lime Rock in the PRO-IT instead" Blethen

[joeg]

Raymond--A bit harsh? Cripes, you know the rules...racing on a Novice Permit??

[Greg Amy]

I'd be a bit concerned letting (hell, even encouraging) someone enter an enduro on a Novice Permit. Yeah, I'm all over the "but it's only 1-2-3 races of experience difference" argument; hell, I think I even invented that debate. But while it's only 1, 2, 3 races differences, it's those first few critical races on the extremely steep part of the learning curve. Dropping someone with minimal competition experience into an environment totally foreign to what you get in a regular SCCA school or sprint weekend is probably not a good thing.

And, to be consistent, I'm also not happy with allowing Novice Permits into key high-vis, high-stress races such as the ARRC and IT*Fest. And this, coming from someone whose first race back after 9 years was the OMP Challenge at LRP...

Endurance racing is a whole 'nother animal, one that requires a totally different set of skills, themselves dependent on basic experiences/assumptions. I understand your frustration, Raymond, but I personally have to agree with the decision. And I suspect if you really think about it objectively, you would too... - GA

[cjb25hs]

Not sure where the owner of the car is from, but if he is close to you why not get a few races in before the 12 hr. Looks like there is a double at NHMS this weekend and then one at WGI and at LRP. Get two races under his belt and get his book signed off and problem solved.

[StephenB]

I actually agree with Raymond which isn't all that often :blink: And not just because I was going to be a co-driver... I have not competed in a 12 hr race so I can't specifically speek to that length of a race, nor can I speak to racing at speed at night however I have run in a 9 lap sprint race and a 3 hr race both at the glen. I have also raced in the ARRC and the 3 hr at Atlanta. In BOTH situations the sprint race had TONS more happening. People are less patient in passing and lapping. In a sprint race you cannot wait like you can in an endurance race. Endurance racing to me has always been more about consistancy and patience. Sprint racing uses the same concept but time is not on your side. I also think that for a novice to race WITH drivers that have licenses would be a great experience for them and help them learn all aspects of racing wheel to wheel. (I agree that a team of 3 novices who have never raced probably shouldn't run a race that requires fueling and pit stops) As a driver I would rather race against a novice in an endurance race than the 12 lap IT race at LRP in a few weeks. I am posititve that the LRP race will not give a novice as much experience in 12 laps and it will be a much more stressfull situation for them.

As I said before I haven't run a 12 Hr enduro so I would love to hear a reason why anyone thinks it's not a great idea. I personally (honestly) thought that running in enduros was a great way to get some of our crew members on track and encourage them to become more active SCCA members.

Greg, what is "totally different" that makes it a bad idea? (Not an attack I honestly don't know)

cjb25hs, great idea but the entire purpose for us to do this was to share the expense and to get our friend LOTS of track time and experience. The expense involved in running a double race is at lest 50% of what 1 driver would have spent at the 12hr. So yes Cost is a big reason he can't do this. NHMS is to close... starts tomorrow and the supps didn't come out for the 12 hr until this week. I did post about the Glen double but that counts as 1 race because it is 1 sanction # unless he did the regional and the pro-It but that cost is more than the 12Hr would be for him! I also think that running a 12 lap race at LRP is not going to be a good 1st race to race in along with the Pro-It that same day. However we have not ruled this out and we are contemplating the additional GRAND that this will cost us.

In the end Rules are rules, I understand Raymonds frustration and the most we can hope for is for some good dialogue on Real reasons this was a bad idea and then the "powers that be" can then decide for future events.

Thanks, and Raymond chilll dude :D JK
Stephen

[Bill Miller]

Tough call on this one. Raymond, I'd say that if your friend has no races on his novice permit (just his schools), that Greg is right, a 12-hr endurance race is not the place for him to start. It could be a larger field than he's seen before, and it will certainly have a wider range of cars (classes) and driver talent than he's seen before. Get him a couple of Regionals under his belt before hand. I know there's added cost associated with it, but the experience will be invaluable.

joeg,

In Raymond's defense, the supps were just issued. I don't believe all endurance races restrict those on Novice permits.

What's a bit out of wack w/ the licensing structure in my mind, is that you can pretty much run any car that you want. You can rent some guy's ITC car for your schools and get signed off on, and then go jump in a GT1 or a FA, and start running Regionals. Not that it happens all that often, but I don't believe that there's anything the GCR that prevents it. I know I'd sure be concerned if I saw rookie stripes on a FA or a GT1 car.

[MMiskoe]

I have never liked seeing novice permits at longer races. When I've signed up to go do a 12 or 24 hour race there is so much more riding on my stints than for a 20 minute sprint. In a sprint any mistake will cost you, but there aren't 2 or 3 other drivers waiting in the pitlane to get a turn, nor are there 5 to 10 guys who gave up their weekend (and then some) to come help change tires & fuel the car. There are enough ways to damage the car just by dropping a wheel off the track, you don't need help from others. You certainly don't need inexperience to add to the mix.

Sprint races don't have pit stops and driver changes which put a driver out in a hot car but perhaps w/ questionable conditions mid race.

Sprint races don't have 120 minute stints, 10+ different classes of cars together (think ITC vrs some ITE monster), dark, weather that goes from dry to downpour to dry in a single stint, cars that handle different when full of fuel vrs empty. The list goes on.

Go look up the Car & Driver review of what they did in an MX-5 last year the Nelson 24 hour and then ask yourself if novice drivers make sense.

The licesnsing process leaves a little to be desired in some cases. Just because you've gotten through 2 days of school means bupkis at times. Maybe I'm self centered but I'd rather have people learn at a race where their exposure is smaller.

Yes it sucks to have your plan changed, but you should be able to find another driver.

Matt

[RSTPerformance]

Well... I respect everyones thoughts and after much thought I agree that having a novice on a team certainly adds risk to the team, and I would not pay for a ride on a rental if one of the members was a novice, HOWEVER... I don't think that an experienced team should be turned away just because they are willing to give a "novice" a try. An enduro is a great way to get someone into SCCA racing whom wants a good value (track time) for the buck.

I do agree an entire team of novices should not be allowed as they might be a risk to others and/or themselves as a collective group lacking experience. I also might agree that when we have the demand (as a club) that some races of higher level should have some restrictions on experience. I am not aware of any current SCCA races that have full fields though.

Lack of experience in driving alone is NOT a good reason... A sprint race has far more risk/action and people travel just as far and spend just as much money on an entry. I think a novice is more likely to vet in trouble Ina sprint race than an enduro. I hate to say it (and do not keen to degrade or insult) but I think an enduro is more like a super long practice session as a majority of the race most people are just making consistant solid laps, not battling door handle to door handle. Endoros are a TEAM effort not a driver effort.

To me the risk is not on the novice but rather the stewards. The stewards should Be doing thier job and should pull a novice or expirenced driver off the track if they are a hazard. As a steward I have done it, nope it wasn't fun but I agree, safety is number one.

Stereotyping a "novice" as a bad driver is poor business and As I hope someone has realized for the future hurts entries and will not help bring back this or any race to the stature it once had. I would say this if was our friend or not.

Please feel free to continue a debate, I think the people in this region read this and I hope will use the feedback for future events and members... Let's face it by the time another event comes along like this our friend will have a full regional, so my complaining really won't help me, but maybe the next guy.

Raymond "am I way off on this?" Blethen

[Bill Miller]

Well... I respect everyones thoughts and after much thought I agree that having a novice on a team certainly adds risk to the team, and I would not pay for a ride on a rental if one of the members was a novice, HOWEVER... I don't think that an experienced team should be turned away just because they are willing to give a "novice" a try. An enduro is a great way to get someone into SCCA racing whom wants a good value (track time) for the buck.

I do agree an entire team of novices should not be allowed as they might be a risk to others and/or themselves as a collective group lacking experience. I also might agree that when we have the demand (as a club) that some races of higher level should have some restrictions on experience. I am not aware of any current SCCA races that have full fields though.

Lack of experience in driving alone is NOT a good reason... A sprint race has far more risk/action and people travel just as far and spend just as much money on an entry. I think a novice is more likely to vet in trouble Ina sprint race than an enduro. I hate to say it (and do not keen to degrade or insult) but I think an enduro is more like a super long practice session as a majority of the race most people are just making consistant solid laps, not battling door handle to door handle. Endoros are a TEAM effort not a driver effort.

To me the risk is not on the novice but rather the stewards. The stewards should Be doing thier job and should pull a novice or expirenced driver off the track if they are a hazard. As a steward I have done it, nope it wasn't fun but I agree, safety is number one.

Stereotyping a "novice" as a bad driver is poor business and As I hope someone has realized for the future hurts entries and will not help bring back this or any race to the stature it once had. I would say this if was our friend or not.

Please feel free to continue a debate, I think the people in this region read this and I hope will use the feedback for future events and members... Let's face it by the time another event comes along like this our friend will have a full regional, so my complaining really won't help me, but maybe the next guy.

Raymond "am I way off on this?" Blethen

Raymond,

On one hand, you say 'safety is number one', but on the other you mention how races don't have full fields. It sounds as if you would be willing to compromise safety in the interest of filling the field. If that's not what you meant, I apologize for putting words in your mouth, but that's the way it comes across.

And there are restrictions on driver experience at every National race. No National license, you don't race. I don't agree w/ the National / Regional license distinction, but it's there. And who would you consider to be more experienced, someone that runs 2 races a year, just to keep their license, or someone that runs 8, 10, 12, or more races a year?

I think maybe you're a bit too close to this issue, and seem to have lost a bit of your objectivity. I also disagree w/ your assessment that an endurance race is 'one long practice session'. Sure, consistency is key, as is not using up the car too soon, but when you've got people that are still on the same lap, after 12+ hours of racing, I think that's a bit more than casually clicking off laps.

To me, having someone with no racing experience on a long (12+ hour) endurance team, is a real baptism by fire. As Matt pointed out, you're throwing a LOT more at them than they saw in school. You could just as easily overwhelm them, and turn them off to racing.

This comment has me scratching my head.


I would not pay for a ride on a rental if one of the members was a novice,

I thought you had said that your friend w/ the novice permit was the car owner for the car that you were going to run @ Nelson. Are you guys not paying for that ride?

[mtownneon]

Dave, I will most likely be running the next day as well. Let me know if you guys need some extra crew help, I have done a few 24rhour nelson races working over the wall. Figure I my as well come up for the whole weekend.

Chris

Heck yeah we could use extra help! I'll let Chad know. Thanks a bunch for the offer.

This is looks like it's going to be a very fun weekend. I love the idea of drawing for starting position in the qualifying races, shade of Saturday night short track racing! It'll put on quite a show!

[Knestis]

I did my first ESCORT enduro on my brand new "pro" license, on the strength of two schools, three regionals, and a double national weekend.

And it was a bad idea.

I knew it was a bad idea while I was doing it, but of course I still did it. I also got lucky and didn't have any "bad things" happen.

I've also been the victim of novices in enduros - most recently the "Hella incident" at VIR, where they do by the way let novices in on their permit.

Traffic has an entirely different dynamic in an enduro. In a 20 minute sprint race, it's VERY clear who is lapping whom, the fast guys might catch the slow guys twice at the most, and groups are generally way more homogenous in terms of performance than in an enduro. The cars' performance also changes over the course of the race, with brakes going to crap, cars slowing, lights not functioning, etc.

Add darkness to the mix. And a greater likelihood of CHANGING weather conditions over the course of one stint. Doing a sprint race in the rain is nothing like going from dry track, to wet, back to dry on slicks at someplace like Nelson. (I did it at the 24 - ask Greg how scared I was. And I LOVE the wet.)

...plus fatigue, long stints, heat, and dehydration. All affect judgment. Without some reserves gained by experience, that can be a major issue.

And its NELSON LEDGES. Room for error in most places approaches "zero," while the cost of that error approaches infiniti. :)

And the vague suggestion that an enduro is somehow safer because we're all out there milling around at 90% represents a HUGE misunderstanding of what most of us are doing. The fastest laps Pablo has ever turned at Summit and VIR happened late in their enduros - and in the case of VIR at night.

I'm personally impressed that Novices won't be allowed.

K

PS - if you are interested in the Nelson 12 please email me, even if you have in the past and haven't heard back recently. I've been living out of a suitcase for nearly a month and my traveling laptop doesn't have all of my past correspondence saved on it...

[callard]

+1 with Kirk and Greg. I'd been racing for 13 years before my first enduro and still couldn't believe the difference. In your early races, the ability to focus and manage adrenaline for 20 minutes is hard enough. Now try it for 2+ hours with multi-class speeds, dehydration, fatigue, changing conditions and vehicle dynamics while maintaining team strategy and using car saving tactics. Not an appropriate environment for a recent driver school graduate to hone his/her racecraft. Decision making skills deteriorate......Safety becomes an issue.
Regards,
Chuck

[Hahn63]

On a different note, It looks like our Corvette will not be ready for the 12 hour. I will be at the track so if anyone needs a crew chief I would be avalible.

Roland

[gpeluso]

again......any entry list available? just want to see what and who is showing up so far.... would really like to give it a try.

greg

[slopok]

How many entries are there so far? Is anyone looking for a driver ?

[Hahn63]

Last I heard we have around 20 or so entries. I have been sort out of the loop this year. I'll see if I can find out anything.

Roland

[ITA_honda]

How many entries are there so far? Is anyone looking for a driver ?

I believe Kirk Knestis with Team Conover (ITB VW) is looking for funded drivers and wants to get a team together so they can come back to Nelsons....
Id check with him.

[LarryWinkelman]

I got this from the Dorothy Harrington, chief registrar:

Volume 6 Issue 6
June 22, 2009

OK time is getting short. We are no longer taking "Intents to Enter". Now we need entry forms completely fill out and either a check for your balance or full payment if you have not sent in an intent with the $100 deposit. OK, so if you already put your Intent in the mail, we will still take it, but time is getting short and we need to get things under control.

We have add a few more names to our, hopefully growing, list of possible entrants.


Tom Abbott 3 Generation Racing SM Westcliffe, CO.
John Schmitt HART 1 ITE Sunbury, OH.
John Schmitt HART 2 ITS Sunbury, OH.
Michael Lattanzio (how about a team name) ITS Coraopolis, PA.
Dan Harding Margarita Motorsports SM or SSM Dover, OH.
John Walsh 3 J's/Wild Child ITA or SM Honeoye Falls, NY.
Andy Doyle EAC-Doyle Racing SSC Fishers, IN.
Kurt Thiel Gang Green ITA Canandaique, NY.
Andy Cotyk 5:01 Motor Sports ITS Galesburg, MI.
Myron Perry 1 Press Racing ITA League City, TX.
Greg Schings Race Car Supply SM Lexington, KY.
Thomas Minuto Rhinoceros Racing SM Thomaston, CT.
Ron Copeland Honda Ron Racing ITB Maumee, OH.
Serge Tousignant Bimmershop ITE St. Lambert, QC.
Jon Staudacher Rowleys SM Kawkawlin, MI.
William Caswell Purple Eagle Racing ITE Kenilworth, IL.
Bill Miskoe Iron Dragon Racing SM Pittsfiels, NH.
Chad Murfin Murfin Racing ITA Ft. Wayne, IN.
Rob Piekarczyk Team PCR STU Parma, OH.

Welcome to our new comers. I am sure you will have fun at this event. Remember, it all started here, at Nelson Ledges over 20 years ago.

As you can see there is plenty of room for more. I have a lot of promises so we are looking for YOU. Don't make me start naming names here. OK, so I'm begging. Did I say Hippie Racing ?

Supps and entry are on-line at the Neohio web site. Click this to take you there.
neohio-scca_dot_org
Be sure to read them. As I stated before, nothing really has changed but the entry fee down to $500 and no limit on the number of drivers as long as they are within the number of drivers/crew you are allowed.

If your looking for a ride or a driver for your team, drop me a note here and I will post with the next newsletter.

Also pass the word about the Double Regional to be held on the Sunday after the 12 hour. Registration will be open for the first 40 in each of 6 race group. Your drivers or crew (must be an SCCA licensed driver per the GCR & Supps) can bring their own car (SCCA Teched) for more seat time. Low cost, 2 sanctions numbers, and a really quick races. This will start with a qualifying race first. The grid order will be random draw at registration. The first feature race will be gridded by those results. The second feature race will be grided by the results of the first feature race. As of right now, we are looking at 10 lap races.

The Supps and entry form for that will be posted at dlbracing_dot_com for on-line registration and at the Neohio web site for downloading. Just a note here. Do to the low entry fee, cash or check will only be accepted for either race. There is no on-line registration for the 12 Hour and the supps will only be posted on the Neohio web site.


If you have any questions, please feel free to give us a call. 440-933-8420


Dorothy Harrington
Chief Registrar
LD 2009

[gpeluso]

looking for a ITS car to run..... hopefully we will find something. This race sounds like a real challenge....

greg

[xr4racer]

Greg, I spoke to Bret Mars today about a car for you email me [email protected]

matt

[callard]

A whole IT-S Mercedes Benz enduro racing package for sale in the for sale section below.
Chuck

[gpeluso]

picking up a SM tomorrow.....wanted ITS but it will do..

Greg

[gpeluso]

Any updates on entry list? Just asking since we are past the entry deadline without payning a late fee.

Greg

[cjb25hs]

Can't wait till the 12hr, I was just going to crew for Murfin Racing in their ITA neon but now I am the 4th driver:eclipsee_steering: Then I will be running the Sunday double in my car.

[cjb25hs]

So anybody seen a final entry list? Anybody know the final car count?

[ITA_honda]

Can't wait till the 12hr, I was just going to crew for Murfin Racing in their ITA neon but now I am the 4th driver:eclipsee_steering: Then I will be running the Sunday double in my car.

Oh man, do you have a long weekend!
im one of the pace car drivers for the 12 hour.:D

[LarryWinkelman]

Haven't seen a final entry list, but there will be two Spec Racers there... Renault-powered!

LW

[jay05]

Speaking of Renault powered Sports Racers. Here are some old photo's to get everyone in the mood.
http://mwphoto.smugmug.com/Cars/5939

[cjb25hs]

Boy. that brings back alot of memories. I remember alot of the cars from the '85 and '86 years. In 1985 that was the year that the 944 Turbo was there prior to being released in the US. They were actually european spec cars IIRC. Also in 85 was the peugot station wagon of course we called it the grocery getter:D

Actually my age is catching up to me it was actually '83 when the factory used sewickley as well of a couple other dealers, bedford and I think motorcars and entered a prototype of what was to be the 944 turbo.

http://mwphoto.smugmug.com/gallery/1295652_8ch4H/1/60956278_aSmuk/Medium