Conover Motor Sports build, 1990 ITA Civic EX Sedan

[Xian]

Figured that some of you over here hadn't seen/heard about the new car build that Conover Motor Sports http://www.raceconover.com is doing for me. CMS was also instrumental in the build of Kirk Knestis' ITB VW Golf... anyone who has seen that car understands the level of prep they deliver.

The car is being built for ITA as the chassis is spec'd at the same weight at the 88-91 Civic/CRX Si.

Before gutting/cage/etc but with a test fit of the suspension and race wheels/tires

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/shippcivic1.jpg

Out comes all the interior, glass, engine, tranny, and most of the body panels

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/strip2.jpg

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/intfront.jpg

Test fit of the race seat and mounts

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/seat.jpg

[Xian]

Custom cage courtesy of Chris Schimmel with Competition Cages http://www.competitioncages.com/

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/cage6.jpg

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/cage7.jpg

It'll have a Speedway style rear bar... here Chris is welding in the custom mounts

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/ccwork1.jpg

Dry-break fitting for the 22 Gallon Enduro style fuel cell

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/cell1.jpg

[Xian]

Wiring will be inspected re-installed per IT Rules

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/wiring.jpg

The engine bay, wheel wells, and underside of the car are all being cleaned up

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/undercoating1.jpg

http://www.raceconover.com/images/shipp/undercoating2.jpg

The chassis will be painted with a white epoxy base paint on a rotisserie ("body in white"). The body panels will then go on and the exterior painted Laguna Blue. The car is currently at with the painter. Feel free to check the build site here for updates: http://www.raceconover.com/buildcivic.htm

Christian

[JeffYoung]

That's gonna be a NICE race car. Down to the tub and build it back up.

[Ron Earp]

Christian, that is going to be one heck of a nice car. Chris Schimmel at Competition Cages does great cage work. I'm looking forward to the day when I get to do a car the way yours is getting done now - ground up.

Now when you put it back together be sure to get the motor pointed the right way and connect it to the right set of wheels!

R

[Xian]

Thanks!

After racing a pre-built car (Richy Gonalez's old CRX) for a couple of seasons, I realized that there were some things that I wanted to do "differently" on the cage... after juggling figures on freshening the entire car and changing some of the cage design, it turned out to not be not much more expensive to sell the existing car as a roller and build new.

Ron, I'll see if I can get the rear end mini-tubbed and turn the engine 90*... that's IT legal right? ;)

Christian

PS
If either of you guys get interested in running the longer 13-24hr enduro's, let me know... going to have some rental seats available next year...

[iambhooper]

by the looks of the car, it wouild appear to be 3 extra seats at that!

looks interesting, i can't wait tosee it on the track.

hoop

[Knestis]

The BEST part is when the newly painted tub comes back from the body shop. It's like opening a Revell model kit, taking out the big pieces, and laying out all the little ones that get stuck on. :)

K

[JeffYoung]

Intorturation! Sorry, had to say it.

For a wheel driven handicapped car, I have to say, that thing is way cool. Christian, I would be interested in running an enduro in that thing with you. Keep us posted on the build. If you end up under weight, maybe a wet bar in the back?

[Ron Earp]

Christian

PS
If either of you guys get interested in running the longer 13-24hr enduro's, let me know... going to have some rental seats available next year...

Heck yeah, I'd love to give that car a go with you. It looks cool. We have been running the 13 hour for a few years, this could be a change of pace.

My ex-girlfriend, whom I called "The Northern Aggressor", had one of those in light blue. Was pretty neat to drive. I especially liked it in the snow to go get beer in when my Mustang wouldn't move an inch.

Why not add a second seat back there, or two? Carry around the extra drivers in the car? The drivers just rotate, they never get to exit the car for the duration of the race.

[Xian]

Too funny Kirk! The sad thing is that I can actually imagine it looking exactly like a Revell model... :happy204:

Hoop, with any luck I'll be at the SIC Test Day next month. No plans to run the SIC... just using the Friday before as a shake down run for the new car.

Jeff & Ron, I'll let you guys know when I get to the point of putting stuff together for next season. We could also sort something out for a test/acclimation day to get both of you up to speed in a FWD chassis. Trust me, it'll be easy. :smilie_pokal:

[Xian]

Just got some more pics of today's progress!

Some final cleaning before the primer goes on...

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01523Large.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01525Large.jpg

Epoxy primer coat:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01535Large.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01532Large.jpg

[Ron Earp]

I'm gonna have to stop in over there and have a look sometime. I grew up in Burlington, my folks live there now, and I know where the shop is from the address but I've never visited. Looks great!!!

Should meet up with you at the SIC test day. I'm planning to be there and I bet Jeff will as well.

[Xian]

Give Cameron a call and tell him I helped crew for you and Jeff at Daytona. I'm sure he'll show you around the project cars at the shop.

I'll be paddocked with the rest of the CMS guys for the SIC weekend. Feel free to track us down or if you can get paddocked nearby, I'll be happy to help out some during the weekend. :)

[IPRESS]

That looks like it will be a super build. I just bought a donor to retub mine this winter. Derek at Saferacer and I are planning on including improvements we have seen on other cars. I have looked at cars while at SP and RAtlanta that were pretty well done. Those Conover cars always look professional prepped.

[trobbins]

Wow , great looking car so far . I can't wait to see it finished .
I raced that gen Civic Standard hatch in ITC , it was a blast to drive .
Do you have any ideas for suspension ? Spring rates , etc .
I've always wanted to build one of these like yours .
Good luck and keep up the good work .

[bonespec]

With the bigger EX brakes, this might be a BIG plus for an enduro car!

[lateapex911]

Christian, you know what I think... Awesome!. there's a little BTCC in that car, isn't there?

[JLawton]

Just got some more pics of today's progress!

Some final cleaning before the primer goes on...

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01523Large.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01525Large.jpg

Epoxy primer coat:





If that top picture ain't a "Hey Ya'll, watch this" moment, i don't know WHAT is!!

:lol:

[Xian]

That looks like it will be a super build. I just bought a donor to retub mine this winter. Derek at Saferacer and I are planning on including improvements we have seen on other cars. I have looked at cars while at SP and RAtlanta that were pretty well done. Those Conover cars always look professional prepped.

Good luck with the build! A large part of the reason I chose CMS for the build of the new car was the fact that all the other cars they've produced have been top-notch. They know exactly what needs to be done to make the car right the first time out of the shop.


Wow , great looking car so far . I can't wait to see it finished .
I raced that gen Civic Standard hatch in ITC , it was a blast to drive .
Do you have any ideas for suspension ? Spring rates , etc .
I've always wanted to build one of these like yours .
Good luck and keep up the good work .

One of my old co-drivers used to run a Civic Standard in ITC and loved it too. Great car for the class! Yep, shocks, springs, bar have all been sorted out:

Koni revalved single adjustable's at the 4 corners. Lee Grimes with Koni helped with some of the valving and shock tuning info. GREAT guy and company to work with!

Simple Ground Control coilover set up. Upping the spring rates from my "old" ITA CRX... will now be running 700F, 1000R.

Rear bar will be a custom Speedway type bar. Rate will be roughly equivalent to a 3/4" solid bar but it will have significantly more adjustment options.


With the bigger EX brakes, this might be a BIG plus for an enduro car!

Hey Bone! Yep. That was a big reason why I picked this chassis. I don't think that it will necessarily be any faster than a Civic hatch or CRX Si on any single lap of the race but it will be more consistent over the course of the race. Being able to go down deep into 10A at Road Atlanta on lap 19 of a 20 lap race when your competitor is nursing somewhat frazzled brakes isn't going to hurt things!


Christian, you know what I think... Awesome!. there's a little BTCC in that car, isn't there?

Maybe a little bit... :happy204:


If that top picture ain't a "Hey Ya'll, watch this" moment, i don't know WHAT is!!

:lol:

Kinda my same thought on it... at least it's not me under the car with a power washer! :shrug: ;)

Good news is that the top-coat of paint should be completed Friday or over the weekend at the latest!

[R2 Racing]

Christian, you know what I think... Awesome!. there's a little BTCC in that car, isn't there?
Has Christian written a letter yet asking if he can run 17" Team Dynamics? I'd allow it.:cool:

I still say I wouldn't have done it, but I continue to wish you luck on your odd adventure.:D

[Xian]

Hmmm... maybe I can the request to run 17's in at the same time I ask to tub the rear end and switch the car to RWD. Maybe the ITAC would overlook the wheel request? :blink:

Thanks Kevin, I know you think I'm crazy for building it but I think it will be a spectacular and competitive car for the class. Hell, it's not like I've got the mad-skillz to be on the podium at the ARRC anytime soon even if I had kept the CRX!

[Richy Gonzalez]

Can't wait to see this thing together. You should set up a web-cast for the final reveal of the car :)

[Xian]

LOL! Well, I've got this short clip of Cameron walking into the shop while Bernard is painting... not quite a web-cast but it's a start ;)

Youtube

[JeffYoung]

Four weeks to the SIC...you gonna make it?

What color? BMW Laguna Seca Blue? Pretty color that....

[spnkzss]

LOL! Well, I've got this short clip of Cameron walking into the shop while Bernard is painting... not quite a web-cast but it's a start ;)


Cheating. You are suppose to be out there with the spray can and a sore finger ;)

[Xian]

Four weeks to the SIC...you gonna make it?

What color? BMW Laguna Seca Blue? Pretty color that....

Mmmmm... not exactly. It's a color that Honda started using on their S2000 around 2006. Laguna Blue Pearl. Nifty color that actually changes a bit depending on the light. Here are some pics I found online:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e395/mattfeet/trunkafter.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e395/mattfeet/afterfull.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e395/mattfeet/diagafter.jpg

[lateapex911]

Everybody always gives me crap for using a two coat metallic paint, glad to see another joining the metallic/pearl team...looks cool!

[Xian]

You know, I have no idea if it's a two step metallic... honestly didn't think to ask. :shrug:

It wasn't appreciably more expensive to use this paint than any of the other paints I looked at...

[Gregg]

Very nice...the plan for my CRX has always been to move from the stop-gap rattle-can black on my car to Kinetic Blue Pearl, which is one of the current TL-S colors. I've had the paint since last September and just haven't pulled the trigger yet.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/bjtexer/tls10.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/bjtexer/tls9.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/bjtexer/tls12.jpg

Good luck w/ the project, guys!

[Xian]

Nice color Greg! Go ahead and get painting! You can have it all pretty looking for the ARRC :)

[shwah]

Metallic / pearl paint on a race car?:shrug:

I use 'work truck white' on mine. Leaves more duckets for parts and entry fees, and there is a can of touchup paint at every hardware store in North America.

[Sandro]

get your paint color matched to vinyl or a very close color. You appreciate it down the road :026:

[Xian]

I can get it in rattle-can for quick touch up. I also have a gun/compressor at home and could so minor work on it myself. :) I figure for any more major damage, it'll go to CMS for bodywork and paint anyway.

I worked on the cost estimates for paint with both CMS and Bernard (the paint guy)... it wasn't appreciably more for the paint I wanted vs. doing the entire car/cage/tub in a base white :shrug:

[lateapex911]

They have a point...don't do this:

Candy apple green (3 coat process after primer)(color source: House of Kolors, then customized) over a Toyota metallic...just the darn taping took nearly 8 hours.

But the metallic aspect is easy...

[Xian]

They have a point...don't do this:

Candy apple green (3 coat process after primer)(color source: House of Kolors, then customized) over a Toyota metallic...just the darn taping took nearly 8 hours.

But the metallic aspect is easy...

Oh no, no, no, no. I'm not going to do anything nearly that labor intensive. The car is going to be all one color and anything else it gets will be vinyl. I toyed with the idea of going white for the whole thing and then just getting it vinyl "wrapped" once every year or two. In the end the vinyl started to sound like more trouble than it was worth.

[pgipson]

get your paint color matched to vinyl or a very close color. You appreciate it down the road :026:

I've found it's always best to get the paint matched to the racer tape I intend to use.:D

[Xian]

Recvd some more photos... these show the beginning of the white base coat going on.

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01545Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01548Large.jpg

The fender still has some cosmetic rust repair that will be taken car of before final paint work is completed. The rear fenders will also be "rolled" per IT rules. Also, notice the end of the custom rear Speedway swaybar mount.

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01550Large.jpg

Below is a good shot of the rear swaybar mount again along with a good view into the rear cage area. The massive hole is where the fuel cell will be mounted.

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01551Large.jpg

The top coat of paint should be going on shortly!

[bonespec]

So with the 20-30 pounds of expoy paint, how heavy will the car be?

What FD will be needed to move that slug???? 6.0:1

:024:

Oh yeah, I've been eyeballin a 88-89 Sedan locally, hrm. VIN rule?

[lateapex911]

At first I thought that RARB mount wasn't really tied in well, then I looked at the second picture, and heh heh heh, it's tied in...oh yea, no issues there!

[Xian]

So with the 20-30 pounds of expoy paint, how heavy will the car be?

What FD will be needed to move that slug???? 6.0:1

:024:

Oh yeah, I've been eyeballin a 88-89 Sedan locally, hrm. VIN rule?

:middlefinger: ;)

4.7 FD will work fine. The car is weighted the same as the "regular" 88-91 Civic and CRX Si. The bare shell and cage before paint weighed in at 733#'s. With all the parts back on the car and a little fuel, it should weigh in right at or just under the min weight of 2250. Figure it this way, my CRX had all it's undercoating and needed 50lbs of lead, 20lbs of spare tire, and about 5 gallons (35lbs) of fuel to meet min weight. That's a total of something like 120-125#'s of weight that the Sedan won't need. :D

I believe that the VIN rule is set to go into effect for 2009. The chassis would be fine with the exception of bolt on parts like the master cylinder, front spindles, proportioning valve, front calipers. I know some others have looked at taking advantage of the VIN rule and building a similar car.


At first I thought that RARB mount wasn't really tied in well, then I looked at the second picture, and heh heh heh, it's tied in...oh yea, no issues there!

Yeah, Schimmel did a good job fitting it in there and making sure it wouldn't go anywhere. ;)

[Xian]

Well, slight delay with the painter (death in the family). The base white is done and the suspension is starting to go back on. Should be a roller in the next couple days.

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01637Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01646Medium.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01639Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01660Large.jpg

Good news is that everything looks great so far! Bad news is that it won't be ready for the SIC test day. A simple case of not enough time to have it all done right. At this point it makes much more sense to take a couple weeks more and have the car 100% for it's first outing. I'd hate to rush and miss something then have problems on track.

Christian

[bonespec]

"Great White Hope"

I'm loving the build!

[iambhooper]

perhaps it will be at the VIR test day in another month? looking great! i cant wait to see how the final producat turns out.

[raffaelli]

loooks great! all suspension parts new or just painted?

[Xian]

"Great White Hope"

I'm loving the build!

Thanks Bone!


perhaps it will be at the VIR test day in another month? looking great! i cant wait to see how the final producat turns out.

Possibly... VIR is a serious haul for me. I'm down in FL but the car is in NC.


loooks great! all suspension parts new or just painted?

A combination of new and painted. The uprights, hubs, bearings, upper control arm/balljoint assembly, and tie rods are all new. The radius rod, subframe, lower shock fork, and LCA have all been stripped and painted.

[ekim952522000]

Car is looking a amazing!

[Xian]

Car is looking a amazing!

Thanks! :)

A couple more shots:

Pass front A pillar down tube
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01659.jpg

Driver side rear node
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01654Medium.jpg

Another shot of the whole enchilada
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01638Large.jpg

[Xian]

We hit a few painter related snags but here is the update!

Mmmmmm... nice!
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01750Large.jpg

Damn, that's clean!
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01761Large.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01757Large.jpg

Beautiful looking (IMO)!!
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01751Large.jpg

The final product is a result of a local painter doing the tub/cage and Tom Landock of Kernersville, NC doing the exterior paint. A completely top-notch job by CMS and their painters!!

Christian, who's gonna feel kinda guilty after the first door donut.

[quadzjr]

You can almsot make the arguement that it is to prety to beat up.. nice build.. very through.. I like :happy204:

jsut thinking.. how much did that paint cost you per pint/quart?

[Xian]

Hi Steven,

Thanks!! That was the "goal" with this build... 100% thorough and done "right" the first time.

I'm not sure the exact cost on paint per quart but can check it out and get back... in the meantime, here are a few more pics:

During body work and final prep:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-2/646896/efracecar001.jpg

Finished product:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01763Large.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01749Large.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l52/Shiftlink/DSC01765Large.jpg

[raffaelli]

looks great!

[quadzjr]

Dont' worry about the price. Teh car is just beuatiful.. possilby a new color for the next fox body drag car I build.

I currently spent all day painting the interior of our ITA civic coupe. I feel there pain. I look like big bird.. yellow from head to toe.

[Xian]

Here's the latest progress...

engine/tranny going in:
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01851Large.jpg

What's that in the trunk?
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01858Large.jpg

Ahhhh... fuel cell...
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01854Large.jpg

[trobbins]

Very nice , clean .
I don't know if any of you guys know Edwin Ho from Detroit Michigan . But he ran the ARRC several years ago in an ITC 4th gen Civic Hatch that had the "same" color blue paint on it . Also a very well prepped car .
In fact he won the 3 hr enduro back in 05 I think .
Keep up the great work . I can't wait to see the finished product .

[quadzjr]

I haven't pulled an honda engine from the top in a long time. I am glad that some one still does it the old fashion way. This build is exceptionally clean. I like it.

[Xian]

Very nice , clean .
I don't know if any of you guys know Edwin Ho from Detroit Michigan . But he ran the ARRC several years ago in an ITC 4th gen Civic Hatch that had the "same" color blue paint on it . Also a very well prepped car .
In fact he won the 3 hr enduro back in 05 I think .
Keep up the great work . I can't wait to see the finished product .

Hmmm... I know Edwin's name but never saw the car. There's another car in the SE... GTL Scirroco I believe that has a very similar color off the Acura RSX's.


I haven't pulled an honda engine from the top in a long time. I am glad that some one still does it the old fashion way. This build is exceptionally clean. I like it.

I've never tried dropping it out the bottom but have heard of plenty of other folks doing it that way... guess an old-school car needs some old-school wrenching ;)

[quadzjr]

With the transmission bolted inplace it is an art that has been developed at the junkyard. A jack and a 4x4 to jack the car off the drive train and suspension. With another person I can usually have the motor, tranny and suspension out in an hour or so with tools in my bag for the junkyard.

I can't wait to see this car in action. I purposely pulled Chip O'toole away from his tasks to see your build. Is there an expected completion date? Fist time on track PDX? HDPE? Regional Race?

[Xian]

Sounds like you've got engine pulling down to an art ;)

Chip? Have I met him at the track? No "final" date for the car... plans originally were for September-ish but some delays put that behind schedule. Realistically, the car should be wrapped up sometime December-January timeframe. I'll have to look and see what events are going to be on the calendar in 09 and what my schedule looks like.

[quadzjr]

Yeah you have met him.. his car should be finished soon. He will be working tech with his dad Herb at the ARRC.

Hopefully he will be dropping off a 240sx and picking up a GTI on the way home. :)

[Xian]

Ahhh... now I remember! I'm terrible with names...

I'm planning to head up to hang out and spectate for the ARRC. Should be some great racing to watch!

Christian

[20CiviC02Si]

Great build! What has the cost been so far?

[Xian]

Great build! What has the cost been so far?

Only cost so far has been time and money ;)

[JLawton]

What has the cost been so far?


If ya hafta ask.................

[20CiviC02Si]

If ya hafta ask.................I know i can't afford it! LOL! I'm just trying to get an idea how much cash i need to set aside in order to build a car, if i cannot find one already built.

[quadzjr]

You can build a IT car for much cheaper than this build. This is what you would consider a 10/10ths build thus far.

[joeg]

Would depend on how much you have to "farm" out. Even doing literally everything myself, for example, I will be well over $10,000 of purchases in my new car build:

Shell--$400.00

Seat--$1,100.00

Steel for cage-$200.00

Paint and primer--$500.00

Sand for sand blaster:$100.00

Body work supplies--$1,000.00

Machine Shop work--$1,300.00

Quaife--$1,300.00

Transponder--$325.00 (used)

Cage padding--$100.00

Belts--$100.00

Window net--$50.00

Windshield--$120.00

Butyl Kit--$20.00

Struts--$1,200.00

Springs (custom rate rear coil overs and standard front coil-overs)--$600.00

Sway bar--$150.00

Bushings--$200.00

Kill Switch and wiring--$100.00

Fire Extinguisher (halon hand held)--$120.00

Gas tank--$120.00

Aeroquip--$500.00

Accusump--$175.00

Dump tanks--$75.00

Fenders--$150.00

Air Dam--$35.00

Brakes--150.00

Radiator--400.00

Fan--$150.00

Etc., etc. etc.

(I do all my own bending, welding, body work, painting, sand blasting motorwork, tranny work, assembly and wrenching. Shop facilities are $100.00 per month) and I have a year into the new car). All other parts are new but are spare stock purchased at fle markets, ebay, NOS OEM houses, dealers, etc. and are not listed.

Can go on and on...

[raffaelli]

Damn.:eek:


You had to list it didn't you. I have been successfully been keeping myself (and my wife) in the dark about the running totals.


I like living ignorant.:happy204:

[Streetwise guy]

I made the horrible mistake of adding up my Neon build, which still needs lsd and revalving of the shocks, plus a proper IT build on the motor, plus that 4:12 gearset, and paint......The only thing that made me happy was if I left out the stuff I had laying around, I didn't quite hit ten grand. And as always, counting my labor as free.http://forum.ssccracing.org/images/smiles/eusa_wall.gif (javascript:emoticon('](*,)'))There was a better prepped CRX on this site a while ago for $8500.

[Xian]

I think what everyone is saying is to either buy a built car and go from there or go into this expecting to spend more than you'd like ;) To farm out and duplicate my build "from scratch", you'd be looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of $20k. If you have some of the expensive parts already (like I did) or can do some of the work (which I'm going to do), then that figure will be lower.

Take a look at the classifieds and buy something there for pennies on the dollar. That's what I did for my first car... then I reached a point where I wanted the car 100% the way I wanted it AND I wanted something that had never been built. The result is what you see in this thread...

[20CiviC02Si]

Yeah i currently have my eye on a 1988 CRX Si ITA car for sale in my area. He wants $6500 for it, which is reasonable, now by the time i save up that kind of cash it'll be February. Sucks having a car payment on top of trying to save up. That and overtime has been dead, normally i can get well over 24 hours worth of overtime a pay period. That'll pick up again in January, i'll be able to work as much overtime as i want!

So with some will power and available overtime i'll be able to pull this off. Hopefully he doesn't sell the car by then! LOL!

[iambhooper]

Would depend on how much you have to "farm" out. Even doing literally everything myself, for example, I will be well over $10,000 of purchases in my new car build:

Shell--$400.00


Can go on and on...

and $400 for a "shell" can be generous... that $ all depends on what you build.

example, want to build a:
ITA Integra RS... $1000 for a donor
Miata... $1000-5000 and depending on model plus $1000 for a hard top.
ITA CRX.... about $800-1200
ITS RX7... probably around $500
ITS Z car ?
Any other popular builds that I'm missing?


these are all ball park figures

[JLawton]

Yeah i currently have my eye on a 1988 CRX Si ITA car for sale in my area. He wants $6500 for it, which is reasonable, now by the time i save up that kind of cash it'll be February. Sucks having a car payment on top of trying to save up. That and overtime has been dead, normally i can get well over 24 hours worth of overtime a pay period. That'll pick up again in January, i'll be able to work as much overtime as i want!

So with some will power and available overtime i'll be able to pull this off. Hopefully he doesn't sell the car by then! LOL!

And you do realize that the cost of the car is jack shit compared to the expense of running it?? This past season I spent three times what I actually paid for the car. :(

[joeg]

That "shell" was perfect, but I got in a bidding war on eBay over it. I was looking to pay about $150.00.

Why perfect? It could steer and roll but had no motor!

I have more fun building than actually racing the cars, but a build can be very expensive.

[spnkzss]

To farm out and duplicate my build "from scratch", you'd be looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of $20k.



Personally, I think that is a little conservative. I'd believe $20k in labor. LOL I stopped counting around $10k last year. I'm not saying that number doubled by any means, but I just stopped counting cause I was depressed. BUT, I did count up all my labor and it came in around 300 hours. At 300 hours your looking at around $20k at just $65/hour. Now you may be able to get that number down quite a bit since you are paying someone to do an entire car. Let's say you pay someone $10k to build you a car top to bottom, plus parts. My $10k did not include cage labor or any real paint labor/material, my suspension or any safety equipment as I stole it from my old racecar, and my motor wasn't a full cost adventure. Now I know some of that could be included in the $10k labor but still.

I don't know, maybe I'm looking at this all wrong. I'm trying to break it out in an hourly rate and maybe that's not the way to do it. Do racecar builders charge by the car like $5k or something for the whole deal? I couldn't imagine they do as you look at pepole like Piper who charge $3500 just for a cage.

BTW, 1.) I'm talking about a 10/10th build like Christians, and 2.) Mine was not a 10/10th build.

BTW2, I only pick on Christian because if it were only $20k, not for him to replicate, but to pay someone to replicate that beautiful piece for you, I'm doing my stuff really wrong. :shrug::lol:

Edit: BTW3, I have had 4 parts cars, 2 of which turned into racecars, and paid $50/each for 4 and $250 for 1 at an auction cause I REALLY needed it at the time. Not saying that is typical, or expected (especially for a Civc), but it happens, you just need to stop looking for it, then it happens.

You can view the build in my sig, just not on this site so be forwarned.

[Xian]

Some updated random pics:

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01955Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01965Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01961Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01967Large.jpg

[Xian]

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01969Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01968Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01956Large.jpg

[Xian]

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01978Large2.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01973Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01971Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01981Large.jpg

[Xian]

Personally, I think that is a little conservative.

You're probably right... I don't really want to add up the receipts either but I will if someone really, truly wants to know. :rj:

Christian, who'd rather be ig'nant.

[bonespec]

Spiffy rotors :)

[Xian]

Spiffy rotors :)

Yeah, the guy I got 'em from really hooked me up ;)

Thanks Bone! You da' man! :toast:

[bonespec]

Yeah, the guy I got 'em from really hooked me up ;)

Thanks Bone! You da' man! :toast:

Still got 3-4 pairs left......Hoppe PM'd me about them but never replied back.

Wish I would have bought more at the price I got!

[Chris Wire]

That fuel cell installation alone has to be 20% of the build total so far....definitely not cheap. Nicely done, however. Very nice indeed.

[Xian]

Thanks Chris :) The cell and related assembly weren't cheap but will be perfect for some of the longer races. FWIW, I'm hoping to make it out to Daytona at least once in 09 and also possibly the new Moroso for some sprint or ECR weekends.

[JeffYoung]

Whole car is top notch.

[Dano77]

Two questions. Where does it say you can modify the deck lid for fuel cell install,filler. And how is the rear sway bar mount not "reinforcing"the rear suspension pick up points, As tGA said so well "Just Sayin"

[Xian]

Good questions :)

#1-
2008 GCR - 9.3.26.1.B and 9.3.26.3
Fuel filler location is unrestricted with installation of a safety fuel cell.

Fuel filler necks, caps, or lids shall not protrude beyond the bodywork of the car.


#2- The bar mount has the minimal attachment needed to safely mount it at the rear of the car. No reinforcement to the pick-up points has been performed.

Christian

[Xian]

Some updated pics from Cameron...

Window net bar mounting and kill switch mounting:

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01998Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01999Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01995Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01993Large.jpg

[Xian]

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC02002Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC02004Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC02007Large.jpg

:cool:

[Xian]

Whole car is top notch.

Thanks Jeff. This shit costs too much even when you're doing it on the cheap. May as well put the time, effort, and funds into it to do it right... :D

[quadzjr]

Still got 3-4 pairs left......Hoppe PM'd me about them but never replied back.

Wish I would have bought more at the price I got!

Other than being not blued yet is there anything special about the rotors?

[iambhooper]

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC01971Large.jpg

Proof that the secret to a truely fast Honda is the classic Billet oil filler cap! How much weight savings over the OEM plastic does the aluminum one offer? :D BTW, looking nice!

[bonespec]

Other than being not blued yet is there anything special about the rotors?

Nope, OEM replacements, has the Honda Number stamped onto the outer edge.

[R2 Racing]

Proof that the secret to a truely fast Honda is the classic Billet oil filler cap! How much weight savings over the OEM plastic does the aluminum one offer?
Is that legal? I don't see anywhere in the ITCS that says we can exchange oil fill caps with lightened, and more pimpy colored versions. I also don't see a washer bottle anywhere underneath that hood. Tsk-tsk.

[iambhooper]

Is that legal? I don't see anywhere in the ITCS that says we can exchange oil fill caps with lightened, and more pimpy colored versions. I also don't see a washer bottle anywhere underneath that hood. Tsk-tsk.


And don't forget the Turn Signal Stalk... gotta have that too. Personally, I recomend a the glove box as a good safe locaton to store it.

[RexRacer19]

Is that legal? I don't see anywhere in the ITCS that says we can exchange oil fill caps with lightened, and more pimpy colored versions. I also don't see a washer bottle anywhere underneath that hood. Tsk-tsk.

Friggin' radiator cap it gone too. :rolleyes:

[chewy8000]

Red is faster! :eclipsee_steering:

[Xian]

Crap. I forgot to photoshop the pics before posting them... now everyone knows about my soooooper lightweight radiator cap! :o yeah, the billet engine oil cap looks "nice" but is a real PITA. I had plans to replace it with a stock one off my spare engine as the billet piece gets seriously hot. But, hey, at least it's sharp too and cuts your knuckles at the same time it burns you...

Christian, who'd like to note that the oil cap was originally silver...

[lateapex911]

Hey, that oil filler cap is aluminum, which is a GREAT heat sink. Oil coolers are FREE, so it's just peachy legal! AND it'll burn your hand in a second!

[spnkzss]

, at least it's sharp too and cuts your knuckles at the same time it burns you...


Sweet. Perfect flesh cutting tool. Cauterizes as it goes. :smilie_pokal:

[Xian]

You wanna buy it? ;)

[spnkzss]

You wanna buy it? ;)

I dunno. I think the Red will clash with the Copper.

[Xian]

You could always paint the car a different color so it'd match...

[iambhooper]

So, not only is it a waste of $50, it's dangerous at the same time!

hoop

[bbreon]

Proof that the secret to a truely fast Honda is the classic Billet oil filler cap! How much weight savings over the OEM plastic does the aluminum one offer? :D BTW, looking nice!

Power steering?

[Xian]

Power steering?

Yes, mine came with PS.

[Chip42]

Yes, mine came with PS.

Is it just me, or is that rule a really good way to invite a lot of unneeded slippery fluids to the track surface?

[Xian]

Is it just me, or is that rule a really good way to invite a lot of unneeded slippery fluids to the track surface?

So is not requiring a full fluid containment structure underneath the engine (think superbike/supersport series) and allowing non air cooled cars to run on track... ;)

[lateapex911]

yea, because power steering systems are ALWAYS blowing up on all the non maintained grocery getters running down the highways. And the hoses are very rigid and will crack in our high stress racing environment.

Listen, if there's a crash big enough to rip open a power steering system, there's a lot of other fluids on the ground already.

[SATURNRACER]

HOLY CRAP Christian!
That is a beautiful piece of work! Hats off to Conover.....
I am just starting my build and now I am jealous very jealous...lol SWEET
Bring her down here to Daytona I'd be more than happy to give ya a donut! ...lol kiddin bud
Great work!
O.B.

[Xian]

Thanks OB! Yes, the car has taken a bit longer than anticipated but it's lookin' GOOD. :cool:

Nice offer on the door donut but you'll have to catch me first! ;) Are you going to be racing while the new car is under construction? Any plans for the 09 Season?

[Xian]

UPDATE:

The car ran under it's own power today! Cameron got the fuel system, wiring, and brakes done up and got everything up and running without a single hiccup.

Engine bay:
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC02016Large.jpg

Here are a couple of pics of the interior and brake bias adjusters:
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC02018Large.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC02017Large.jpg

And, finally, the driver's floorboard:
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/DSC02008Large.jpg

[iambhooper]

WoW! Looking awesome! I wish I could find the time to reshoot my engine bay and enterior.

hoop

[Ron Earp]

That thing looks really nice, really nice fellows. I'm impressed! Still got a lot of work to do though - did you know the motor is hooked up to the wrong wheels?

[Xian]

did you know the motor is hooked up to the wrong wheels?

Ummm... Ron, you've gotta get out more. I would have thought that you'd know it's attached to the right wheels... the current plans are to race it using Reverse only. :eclipsee_steering:

[JeffYoung]

Ron the floorboard of Christian's car looks better than the exterior of ours.....

[Ron Earp]

Well, there are reasons for that....like Christian's car hasn't been raced yet!

Man, turn in with this thing is going to be unbelievable.

[lateapex911]

Christian, you know what I think, that thing is awesome. Well done, and props to Conover and his boys. Glad your ECU is mounted on studs above the floor. In rain races, I've seen little mice surfing 4" waves in my car over there.

[iambhooper]

Glad your ECU is mounted on studs above the floor. In rain races, I've seen little mice surfing 4" waves in my car over there.

Let me put my rules nerd hat on :blink: are those factory ECU mounting studs in the factory ECU mounting location? One would tend to think that would get in the way of a passengers foot in a street car... rules nerd hat off :p I like the touch, makes sense.

hoop

[Xian]

Unfortunately the ECU location is necessitated by the roll cage... one of the forward attachment points interferes with the stock ECU mount.

[Xian]

Ron the floorboard of Christian's car looks better than the exterior of ours.....


Well, there are reasons for that....like Christian's car hasn't been raced yet!

Man, turn in with this thing is going to be unbelievable.

True! It's easy to keep clean when it isn't driven ;)

Yeah, it'd be like taking a vintage 911 and trying to steer it from the back end only... Be easy to do donuts though! :eek:


Christian, you know what I think, that thing is awesome. Well done, and props to Conover and his boys. Glad your ECU is mounted on studs above the floor. In rain races, I've seen little mice surfing 4" waves in my car over there.

Thanks Jake! Yeah, the finished project is looking nice. Still some detail work to do... guages, belts, airdam, windshield/windows/rear glass, possibly mount up the oil cooler (still undecided on that item).

Good point about rain and water... you can see the only remaining stock mounting boss on the passenger side underneath the forward most roll cage mounting plate. In the stock location it was semi-vertical so water wasn't as big of a deal... where it is now though... :shrug:

[Spinnetti]

Looks like you have x bars and gutted doors? That's not a legal combo is it? I thought you could only gut doors if the cage was of "NASCAR" style that break the plane of the inner door? I mention this because I have x bars on mine, and if this is legal, I won't have to re-do my cage, which I was planning to do in the next couple weeks.

[Xian]

Sorry but no. The door bars are decidedly not an X design. They are discreet, un-cut upper and lower tubes that angle outwards and do, in fact, break the plane of the door. A traditional "X" doesn't have nearly the extension outward into the door cavity that mine does.

[lateapex911]

Looks like you have x bars and gutted doors? That's not a legal combo is it? I thought you could only gut doors if the cage was of "NASCAR" style that break the plane of the inner door? I mention this because I have x bars on mine, and if this is legal, I won't have to re-do my cage, which I was planning to do in the next couple weeks.

Actually, even an X bar is fine in the "NASCAR allowance" situation to gut the door.

Read the rule with an open mind, and read the definitions.

Simply, the rule requires one horizontal bar to break the plane of the inner door panel, if you want to gut the door.
An X bar uses one horizontal bar. (There is no standard in the GCR for what is, and what is not "horizontal". I'd wager 2% of the cars out there have bars that are truly horizontal ANYwhere in them.) So, using a bar in the x as horizontal is fine. It's obviously closer to horizontal than vertical.

So, bend the X enough to break the plane.

Done.

(I would recommend other connecting bars in addition to the X, as recent events have shown weaknesses in the pure X design, but regardless, an X can fulfill the requirements. And certainly on the driver side, I'd solve the problem differently than on the pass side.)

[ekim952522000]

Any picture updates?

[quadzjr]

Any picture updates?

When is it's first planned outing?

[Xian]

Sorry guys! I missed Mike's post last weekend (I was working) and just saw yours Steven.

The car is coming together but I've been tied up with some personal commitments lately... here are some shots of it with the bumpers on:

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/IMG_3435.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/cbshipp/Civic%20Build/IMG_3429.jpg

I've still got some stuff to do before a logbook... rear fuel cell bulkhead, front and rear glass, tow straps, window and right side net, harness, decals, fire system and then it'll be ready to go. There are a few other details to have it really track ready... guages, DL1, rear sway bar, alignment, brake bleed.

I haven't figured out a first track date yet... probably hit a Seat-Time track day at Roebling as a shake down and then catch a race at Daytona later this year.

Christian

[iambhooper]

looking good! i like the blue on white... looks like it needs a rear window?

[Xian]

Yep, front and rear glass needs to go in. Getting closer! :)

[R2 Racing]

I can't wait to put some orange paint on that thing. I just have to hope that Bowie doesn't beat me to it.

[Steam Corners]

I can't wait to put some orange paint on that thing. I just have to hope that Bowie doesn't beat me to it.

Cameron's gotta weld my old front clip on the pumpkin first. . .

[R2 Racing]

Cameron's gotta weld my old front clip on the pumpkin first. . .
So it'll be a race to see who can fix their busted orange ball first, and THEN hit Christian.:D

[Xian]

LOL, yeah, even if it doesn't end up with orange on the bumpers from you or Bowie, I've been thinking about adding some orange accents or possibly orange number panels. My only concern is that down here, some folks might think it's a "UF Gator's" fan car :(

Got most of the rear bulkhead formed and installed yesterday :eclipsee_steering:

[iambhooper]

My only concern is that down here, some folks might think it's a "UF Gator's" fan car :(

I was thinking Edmonton Oilers, and therefore was very jealous of the potential color combination! But that's the way I look at it.

hoop

[Ron Earp]

Yo, dat thang is off da hook! Nice work, just in time for the domestic V8 swap!

I like it, nice job and I hope to see it out on track soon. How are you on weight, checked yet?

[JeffYoung]

Definitely ITE with a Rover V8 swap. Or maybe a Lotus Esprit Turbo 2.2 four cylinder, for some madd tea time old chap!

Seriously, looking good! Can't wait to see that car race.

[Xian]

Jeff, I'm glad you replied to this thread... any chance that the ITAC would allow an engine swap spec line so I could run competitively in ITS (the 2.2 Turbo sounds perfect!)? After all, I'm sure you've noticed that there aren't enough FWD ITS cars... ;)

I did some rough weight calculations when I picked it up (also weighed it) and I expect to see it come in about 10-20#'s under the spec line weight with driver and an empty tank. :)

[JeffYoung]

That's about perfect -- 10-20 under. You put 50 lbs ballast in and you are good to go and "safe."

Is the weight distribution better with the sedan than with say a CRX or a Civic Si hatchback?

[Xian]

Yep, a little ballast OR a cool suit setup will get me exactly where I want to be. The other option is to run some extra fuel for ballast... it'll get the weight further toward the rear. Remember, I've got a 22 gallon cell in this so running a few gallons "over" is an easy weight fix :)

Weight distribution is quite a bit better front:rear than the CRX and a touch better than the Civic Hatch. You can credit most of that to the longer/larger trunk structure. The wheelbase is exactly the same as the Civic Hatch (about 8 inches longer than a CRX but 2 inches shorter than an Integra like Ruck's). Basically the car's formula is CRX drivetrain, (larger) Integra brakes, a wheelbase in between the CRX & Teg, better weight distribution, and the same weight as a CRX (2250 vs. the Teg at 2595). I'm really hoping it's as good of a pick on the track as it looked like on paper.

[Ron Earp]

Is this when I should say "VTEC Yo!"?

[Xian]

Man, dat's what I needz!!!! Vtec, YO! ;)

[Ron Earp]

Cool, I'm learning!

VTEC just kicked in, Yo!

[Xian]

LOL!! Yep, that's the one! My head assplode with the Vtech fastedness!

[JeffYoung]

You sirs play fast and loose with the king's English. Mad VTEC indeed.

[Xian]

Did you notice the thread over on The Sandbox about the RRR open track day at the end of March? $99 for the day... I'm hoping to have the car ready for a shakedown run by then. Any chance that you'd be interested in taking your jalopy down for some suspension tuning? Shultz was making some noises about running his street S2k if he's allowed. Kessler is talking about coming down with his "new toy". Should be a decent turnout and fun in the "expert/open passing" group.

[JeffYoung]

I did, and that is an astounding price. Made my wallet assplode.

BUT, we are racing at CMP this weekend.

[Xian]

Gotcha. Racing is definitely way more fun than a track day... unless you want to test out different spring/shock setups. ;)

[Ron Earp]

Man, that is a good price for a test day. I'd love to go, but as Jeff says CMPing that weekend.

I wouldn't think $99 would cause a a wallet Assplosion, but I could be wrong.

[JeffYoung]

You've seen my wallet.

Plus, it would be an assplosion of joy at the low price.

Wait a second, I don't like where this is going...better stop.

[Xian]

LOL... yep, only 64 Pounds Sterling for a track day is a steal! I finished up the bulkhead yesterday (need to cut holes for the fuel lines and wiring) but things are looking do-able for a test day next month.... assuming the Trifeca of Evil doesn't keep me from going ;)

[lateapex911]

Tanks for bringing all that to our attention Christian. I hadn't realized about the brakes. but don't worry, that's only a 50 pound adder. And it'll take months to hit the books.

;)

[Xian]

No way!!! FWD is too slow already! ;)

[JeffYoung]

I ran your car through LapSim. It came out 3-4 seconds a lap faster than a Radical.

So, looks to me it will need:

+100 Car looks too good to be a race car adder
+300 Car worked on/built by Cameron Conover adder
+100 Car is in Florida and therefore faster than similar makes and models in other regions adder (just kidding Florida guys!)
+500 VTECH Ass-whupping adder
+200 We don't like Christian adder
+250 Skateboard tape adder
+50 Just cause adder

So, looks like 2250 + 1500 equals 3750. Sounds about right!

[Tristan Smith]

So, looks like 2250 + 1500 equals 3750. Sounds about right!

Dear God Christian, you have a ZX now!


Hey that little ring at the trunk lock, does that release the trunk lid? I like it. Where would one find something like that, or what did you need to put it together?

[Xian]

I ran your car through LapSim. It came out 3-4 seconds a lap faster than a Radical.

So, looks to me it will need:

+100 Car looks too good to be a race car adder
+300 Car worked on/built by Cameron Conover adder
+100 Car is in Florida and therefore faster than similar makes and models in other regions adder (just kidding Florida guys!)
+500 VTECH Ass-whupping adder
+200 We don't like Christian adder
+250 Skateboard tape adder
+50 Just cause adder

So, looks like 2250 + 1500 equals 3750. Sounds about right!

To quote Curt: "F*ck!"

FWIW, I only aspire to have V-Attack, YO! Mine is old-skool... just like your Triumph. :happy204: Actually, funny fact, I've got larger brakes than your TR8... yeah, have fun with that. ;)


Dear God Christian, you have a ZX now!


Hey that little ring at the trunk lock, does that release the trunk lid? I like it. Where would one find something like that, or what did you need to put it together?

Yep, it's a trunk release. Cameron @ CMS put that together... pretty simple arrangement really. Take some wire with a plastic sleeve and swage it into a loop. Feed the loop out the old keyhole. I'm sure Cameron could let you know where he picked up the materials... might have been from McMaster?

[Andy Bettencourt]

Love the build, love the thought that went into the pick, love the fact it's not a Teg, CRX or Miata. Nice job all around.

[iambhooper]

Dear God Christian, you have a ZX now!


Hey that little ring at the trunk lock, does that release the trunk lid? I like it. Where would one find something like that, or what did you need to put it together?

I was thinking the same thing... Great Idea! I might have to knock that off at some point.

hoop

[quadzjr]

I was thinking the same thing... Great Idea! I might have to knock that off at some point.

hoop

We installed one on out ITA civic a few weeks ago (That it's first time on track will be this weekend in sebring.. hopefully). All ours is saftey wire, and a piece of vacuum tubing. Works like a champ! We also isntalled one in a friend of ours car that glove box handle broke. :D

[Xian]

Love the build, love the thought that went into the pick, love the fact it's not a Teg, CRX or Miata. Nice job all around.

Thanks Andy. I've still got my fingers crossed that it'll be as good as I think it will be (i.e. at least decently competitive in sprints). ;)

Finished up the rest of the rear bulkhead this evening and a few other small items. The list is definitely getting shorter with the only time consuming items left for me to do being the fire system and guages. Might be able to get everything knocked out this weekend :fingers crossed:

[Xian]

Well... car is up for sale here:

http://www.improvedtouring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27338