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JeffYoung
01-10-2008, 08:38 PM
Well, here goes. I can essentially get, for free, an 82 5 speed 928. We looked at this car when creating ITR, and if the V8 Ferds and Bitchin' Marrows go in, then the 928 has near identical raw numbers.

I know the motor is an expensive nightmare, and that the car is probably underbraked.

But, I hesitate to even ask, does anyoen have track experience with one of these?

JimLill
01-10-2008, 08:44 PM
But, I hesitate to even ask, does anyoen have track experience with one of these?
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I've seen 2 of them tracked with Trackmasters at WGI

JoshS
01-10-2008, 08:59 PM
Jeff, you would not believe the number of 928 race cars that show up out here in ITE. A couple of them are former world challenge cars.

In any case, I'm sure they have some feedback they can give you. The guy you probably want to talk to is Mark Kibort. I'll get an e-mail address for you, but here is his website (http://www.electricsupercharger.com/racing.html).

JeffYoung
01-10-2008, 09:22 PM
Thanks man. I will check it out.

erlrich
01-10-2008, 11:04 PM
Damn Jeff - I assume you already know how tough it is to find a 928 with a stick? You oughta put that car in a garage and wait about 10 years, by then it'll be a candidate for Barrett-Jackson (with a little tlc I'm guessing).

JeffYoung
01-11-2008, 12:53 AM
Earl, right now, if I moved it, I'd be putting a family of squirrels out of house and home apparently. It's in ok shape. I actually drove it from Goldsboro to Asheville (it's my g/friend's dads car) 10 years ago. Has sat since. It's looking a lot like a race car to me...

lateapex911
01-11-2008, 03:02 AM
:dead_horse:

Need I say more?

(The most expensive race car builds always start with a free car...........)

(Seemed like a good idea at the time.........)

(Hey, I have to replace everything on it anyway........)

Should I continue?? ;)

Knestis
01-11-2008, 09:13 AM
But, Dude - this is el Jeffe Quiote we're talking about...

http://castletapestry.com/customtapestry/quixote.jpg

:)

K

JeffYoung
01-11-2008, 11:22 AM
Exactly!

And I am actualy getting that windmill to tip!

Some.

A little.

I think.

I can see it, anyway.

Chris Wire
01-11-2008, 12:37 PM
http://itforum.improvedtouring.com/forums/...=12195&hl=s2000 (http://itforum.improvedtouring.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12195&hl=s2000)

Link above shows an ITE 928 that makes itself known at about the 9 minute mark.

JoshS
01-11-2008, 12:45 PM
http://itforum.improvedtouring.com/forums/...=12195&hl=s2000 (http://itforum.improvedtouring.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12195&hl=s2000)

Link above shows an ITE 928 that makes itself known at about the 9 minute mark.
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That's one of the ones that I race with that I mentioned above. I was in that same race group for all of 2007.

dj10
01-11-2008, 02:03 PM
Well, here goes. I can essentially get, for free, an 82 5 speed 928. We looked at this car when creating ITR, and if the V8 Ferds and Bitchin' Marrows go in, then the 928 has near identical raw numbers.

I know the motor is an expensive nightmare, and that the car is probably underbraked.

But, I hesitate to even ask, does anyoen have track experience with one of these?

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I hope you have a lot of disposable income. :D If your got that kind of money, just go PRO.

Ron Earp
01-11-2008, 02:52 PM
A hint from me to you - put a Ford or Chevy V8 in it and keep the hood closed. That is all I have to say on the matter.

:D

Limey
01-11-2008, 03:59 PM
Jeff,

I'm having a deja vu......don't you own a ITS TR8???

Ron Earp
01-11-2008, 06:03 PM
Hey, is that Chitbox coming out to play at CMP? I'll be ready to give you a :bash_1_: :lol:

Z3_GoCar
01-12-2008, 02:28 AM
Well, here goes. I can essentially get, for free, an 82 5 speed 928. We looked at this car when creating ITR, and if the V8 Ferds and Bitchin' Marrows go in, then the 928 has near identical raw numbers.

I know the motor is an expensive nightmare, and that the car is probably underbraked.

But, I hesitate to even ask, does anyoen have track experience with one of these?
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Uh, not to be a downer on the classing, but you do realize that it was a World Challenge GT car? I'd think it'd be more appropriatly classed with the e-36 M3's which are also in the GT class.

James

JeffYoung
01-12-2008, 03:49 AM
I'm talking about the 219 hp US version that was not in GT. Less stock hp than the 3.0 BMWs, the 300ZX, the Supra, etc. etc. etc.

That's not the downer about it, the downer is I even considered this. Doesn't say much for my thought processes..........

lateapex911
01-12-2008, 04:15 AM
I understand Jeff, really I do. You can't tear yourself away from V8s! And yours..isn't it American (Olds?) in origin?

It only make sense then, that you are migrating into what many refer to as the "German Camaro"....the circle keeps repeating.

Ron Earp
01-12-2008, 10:48 AM
many refer to as the "German Camaro"....the circle keeps repeating.
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Never heard that one, I like it. Think the PCA faithful will agree?

Knestis
01-12-2008, 10:52 AM
Just as much as the BL guys would agree to call the TR8 a British Camaro.

K

Z3_GoCar
01-14-2008, 01:49 AM
I'm talking about the 219 hp US version that was not in GT. Less stock hp than the 3.0 BMWs, the 300ZX, the Supra, etc. etc. etc.

That's not the downer about it, the downer is I even considered this. Doesn't say much for my thought processes..........

Hey Jeff,

I'm not really up on the 928 so I went to wiki and found this:

219hp '78-'79
229hp '80-'82
239hp '83-'84
288hp '85-'86
316hp '87-'91 (S4)
326hp '89-'91 (GT)
345hp '92-'95

So it looks like 219hp only gets you the first couple of years, your '80 already has 229hp. Looks like the '84 is about as new as can be classed. Also note that the 4.7 makes about 295hp in the rest of the world, so the S motor in the '83 and later cars would probably blow the class away if they were allowed in. Then you're left with only the 4.5l cars of '78-'82 only, with the weight set for 229hp. Sounds about like a 3300lbs to me, right about the curb weight of the car.

James

JeffYoung
01-14-2008, 08:49 AM
I think that is *roughly* right. 78-82 only, at around 3300 lbs.

BlueStreak
01-14-2008, 12:05 PM
I think with the weakening economy, someone building a 928 race car may be just what we need to help ward off the recesssion!

Seriously, I think the car will be loads of fun, I'd do it if I wasn't broke!

lateapex911
01-17-2008, 03:23 PM
Just as much as the BL guys would agree to call the TR8 a British Camaro.

K

No, the TR8 is more the British Mustang. A little more compact, with odd packaging.

So, Jeff, I bet if you get that car your FIL (oops! ) will love you forever!

Pulled the trigger yet?

JeffYoung
01-17-2008, 08:40 PM
The TR8 is the British Cosworth Vega, in reverse. Crap Brit car, decent American motor = TR8. Crap American car, decent Brit motor = Cosworth Vega!

If FIL is father in law we gots a long ways to go before that ever happens, but that car will be sitting in Asheville for years I am sure, unless I grab it. Cool car, about 10 years ago I drove it across the state and it cruised at 90 mph like no other car I have ever driven. Not that big either. I liked it.

iambhooper
01-17-2008, 10:15 PM
Ok, lets look at this objectively...

1) You race a TR8. Neat, fun, green, fast, but how many trips to post race impound has it made?
2) You bought the fiber glassed tube framed death trap of a CanAm Lola for enduro's... nice!
3) You sold the reliable, easy to maintain, competetive, but "common" Spec Miata :confused:
4) You have a really sweet Lotus that would make an excellent race car, reliable, sexy, you name it! :smilie_pokal: and now, now you want to go build an expensive, oddball porsche that few (i can't ever remember any IMSA versions) people race in this hemisphere?

Jeff, you know finishing the race is more fun than just taking the start (I know... remember the Fiat? :eek: )... I tell ya what... let me find you a nice Integra? :D

Actually, for some reason, it all makes sense!

hoop

JeffYoung
01-18-2008, 12:23 AM
Hoop, your post is logical, rational and makes sense. But what is objective about Racing!? LOL....besides Miatas suck.

I won't do this, I won't. It'd be dumb. But damn that car would sound good.

lateapex911
01-18-2008, 02:12 AM
Pssst! 911SC!

JLawton
01-18-2008, 07:56 AM
You've got to keep up the mantra of all owners of odd ball race cars:

"But it's a really cool car, but it's a really cool car, but it's a really cool car"

Follow those words and you can talk yourself into ANYTHING!!





(OK, so a Saturn isn't that cool.......)

924Guy
01-18-2008, 10:49 AM
Amen! Oddball Porsches don't exactly suck! ;)

dj10
01-18-2008, 11:08 AM
Pssst! 911SC!

Jake, how's your gear box in that?:cool:

lateapex911
01-18-2008, 08:51 PM
well, I actually have a 915 box in my 911E, but with an upgraded 2.7 motor in RS trim, and it's just peachy, actually!

iambhooper
01-18-2008, 11:21 PM
You've got to keep up the mantra of all owners of odd ball race cars:

"But it's a really cool car, but it's a really cool car, but it's a really cool car"

Follow those words and you can talk yourself into ANYTHING!!





(OK, so a Saturn isn't that cool.......)

I can't tell you how cool my Fiat X1/9 was... those 3 cylinders sounded spectacular under the bridge at Nelson Ledge's and VIR... just one problem... in the only race it finished was it was running off the starter in the pit lane crossing so it could cross the line after the checkered flag!

But it was really cool!

hoop

oh yeah, I didn't forget... the block has 4 pistons.

luckett
01-20-2008, 06:18 PM
I'm a little late to the thread, but go find mark kibort on the 928 section of rennlist and he'll tell what a great racecar the 928 is. I don't believe him ;)

chewy8000
01-20-2008, 08:26 PM
The 928 is a nightmare to work on! I've had my 81' US 5-speed for 7 years and have replaced just about everything and it's only at 65,000 miles. These cars don't sit well for long periods of time and if you find one cheap be prepared to sink a fortune into it just to get it started. Throw the stock brakes in the garbage and run something better, but legal. IIRC I spent about $500 just on gaskets to rebuild the top end. The cars only worth 3k if that.:blink:

Thats why I run a rabbit. Cheap, easy, and fun.

924Guy
01-21-2008, 02:20 PM
I support 100% what Chewy's said...

...helps keeps the used car prices down! ;)