Lime Rock...

[Andy Bettencourt]

ITS: 8

ITA: 18

ITB: 8

ITC: 1



SM: 20

SSM: 11

[Jeremy Billiel]

Ouch... I think I am going to be signing up though!

[JLawton]

And the coolest part? There is a Laser signed up for ITA!! Can't wait to see it! We certainly have a cross section of cars! I see 10 different models!! Plus, three of them are domestics!! That's what IT racing is all about!!




Ouch... I think I am going to be signing up though!
[/b]


I'm sure you'll give the mid pack ITBers a run for their money!!! :023:

[Tkczecheredflag]

I'm starting to look like a question mark. Car is still in pieces not sure if it will finished before Saturdays race.

[Jeremy Billiel]

And the coolest part? There is a Laser signed up for ITA!! Can't wait to see it! We certainly have a cross section of cars! I see 10 different models!! Plus, three of them are domestics!! That's what IT racing is all about!!
I'm sure you'll give the mid pack ITBers a run for their money!!! :023:
[/b]

Ouch Jeff - That hurts!

[RSTPerformance]

And the coolest part? There is a Laser signed up for ITA!! Can't wait to see it! We certainly have a cross section of cars! I see 10 different models!! Plus, three of them are domestics!! That's what IT racing is all about!!
[/b]

Jeff you are right, that is the greatest thing about it!!! :023:



I'm sure you'll give the mid pack ITBers a run for their money!!! :023:
[/b]

lol :cavallo:


Raymond

[Andy Bettencourt]

Ouch... I think I am going to be signing up though! [/b]

Don't do it. You will ruin your string of no-shows!

[GregM]

And the coolest part? There is a Laser signed up for ITA!! Can't wait to see it! We certainly have a cross section of cars! I see 10 different models!! Plus, three of them are domestics!! That's what IT racing is all about!!

[/b]
Wow what a great car count. Looks like fun.

[lateapex911]

I'm starting to look like a question mark. Car is still in pieces not sure if it will finished before Saturdays race. [/b]

Thats not a good look Tim, straighten up!

Wait, you mean those 3 loose lug nuts found in IMPOUND AFTER the race two weeks ago are STILL loose!?

;)

(Couldn't resist.....sorry!)

And jeez Jeff, lots of love there! Remind me not to get on your bad side!

[JLawton]

And jeez Jeff, lots of love there! Remind me not to get on your bad side!
[/b]


Don't worry about it Jake, I only bust on the guys who are all talk, no action......Just ask Jeremy how many races he's done!! And he's chirpin' about how well he'll do!! :rolleyes:

And I'm glad your not waiting until the ARRC to get out there this season!!

Tim,
Get your ass movin' and get the car fixed!! We want to have that 5-6 way race for second place!! :lol: How many ITA cars do you think will get into the :02s?? I'm predicting 5 if you show up!! (not including Andy!) And I remember seeing races that were won with a 1:03!!!!

[Jeremy Billiel]

Don't worry about it Jake, I only bust on the guys who are all talk, no action......Just ask Jeremy how many races he's done!! And he's chirpin' about how well he'll do!! :rolleyes:

[/b]

Where did I say anything about how well I'll do? I will tell you how well I will do. Mid to back of the ITS pack and front of the ITB pack.

My prediction is 1:05's

:P :P

[Andy Bettencourt]

Where did I say anything about how well I'll do? I will tell you how well I will do. Mid to back of the ITS pack and front of the ITB pack.

My prediction is 1:05's

:P :P [/b]

Mid 1:05's doesn't win you ITB....FOCUS!



UPDATE:




ITS: 10
ITA: 19
ITB: 10
ITC: 1

SM: 21
SSM: 11

[/b]

Still no Jeremy... <_<

[Jeremy Billiel]

There I fixed it for you.

Class Count for &#39;ITS&#39; is 11
Last Name First Name Class Make/Model Entry Date
Maynard David ITS BMW/325i 5/15/2007 12:49:10 PM
Sabatello Michael ITS bmw/E30 325i 5/19/2007 9:47:36 AM
Driscoll Rob ITS BMW/323i 5/21/2007 9:21:04 AM
Harding Jeff ITS Mazda/RX-7 5/21/2007 3:50:26 PM
Gregory Mark ITS mazda/rx7 5/29/2007 4:12:35 PM
Dedrick Jay ITS Mazda/RX-7 5/31/2007 8:06:27 AM
Henderson Jeff ITS BMW/323i 6/1/2007 11:20:59 AM
Willis Robert ITS Acura/Integra GS-R 6/1/2007 7:52:11 PM
Ulfelder Steve ITS Mazda/RX-7 6/7/2007 8:13:16 AM
Lovell Mark ITS Mazda/RX7 6/7/2007 10:01:01 AM
Billiel Jeremy ITS Acura /Integra GSR 6/7/2007 12:01:42 PM

[raffaelli]

This is for next weekend?

[Andy Bettencourt]

This is for next weekend? [/b]

June 16th. The day after the Friday school.

[raffaelli]

Great. See you then.

Anyone need a pit slave? errr.....I mean pit help

[dominojd]

There I fixed it for you.

Class Count for &#39;ITS&#39; is 11
Last Name First Name Class Make/Model Entry Date
Maynard David ITS BMW/325i 5/15/2007 12:49:10 PM
Sabatello Michael ITS bmw/E30 325i 5/19/2007 9:47:36 AM
Driscoll Rob ITS BMW/323i 5/21/2007 9:21:04 AM
Harding Jeff ITS Mazda/RX-7 5/21/2007 3:50:26 PM
Gregory Mark ITS mazda/rx7 5/29/2007 4:12:35 PM
Dedrick Jay ITS Mazda/RX-7 5/31/2007 8:06:27 AM
Henderson Jeff ITS BMW/323i 6/1/2007 11:20:59 AM
Willis Robert ITS Acura/Integra GS-R 6/1/2007 7:52:11 PM
Ulfelder Steve ITS Mazda/RX-7 6/7/2007 8:13:16 AM
Lovell Mark ITS Mazda/RX7 6/7/2007 10:01:01 AM
Billiel Jeremy ITS Acura /Integra GSR 6/7/2007 12:01:42 PM
[/b]

Jeremy was just waiting to register where he will finish DFL. :D

How ya like that one Jake. ;)




I&#39;m starting to look like a question mark. Car is still in pieces not sure if it will finished before Saturdays race.
[/b]

That&#39;s OK Tim take all the time you need to get the car right. :D

[RKramden]

We have about a dozen cars that have entered via snail mail, so right now we are looking at about 160 cars (if they all show up.)

Hopefully, we will pick up a few more from the school as well. :023:

ITS: 11 ITA: 19 ITB: 10 SM: 22 SSM: 19

[lateapex911]

Dave, I love the sig! Maybe you can have a legend, or links to their most famous (infamous) posts?

[RKramden]

Dave, I love the sig! Maybe you can have a legend, or links to their most famous (infamous) posts?
[/b]

That was very tactful of you.

[ulfelder]

Hey, will this be Robert Willis&#39;s first ITS run in that former EP Integra? Cool! I spent much of last season threatening to buy the car from him and convert it - very curious to see a strong FWD car in ITS.

Steve U
Flatout Motorsports

[Tkczecheredflag]

Thats not a good look Tim, straighten up!

Wait, you mean those 3 loose lug nuts found in IMPOUND AFTER the race two weeks ago are STILL loose!?

;)

(Couldn&#39;t resist.....sorry!)

And jeez Jeff, lots of love there! Remind me not to get on your bad side!
[/b]
Lug nuts was the begining of the post car inspection. Remember no third gear too so the tranny got a look see - still in progress. The bigger issue - I was down a quart plus a little of oil and we found a small amount of copper shavings in the oil filter upon inspection - changing the rods and mains - requires a litttle more than "slap em in" and hope.

I might ask Anthony S if Lorenzo is intested in renting the CRX - short of that I will not know until next Friday.

Looking at the field, it&#39;s a race I do not want to miss.

Joe - I pictured you and me drafting into Big Bend - come on partner :rolleyes: .

Jeff - I&#39;m peddlin&#39; as hard as I can

[gran racing]

Willis is going back into ITS? Wow, that surprises me. I thought he liked run in the Prepared class.

[Jeremy Billiel]

Hey, will this be Robert Willis&#39;s first ITS run in that former EP Integra? Cool! I spent much of last season threatening to buy the car from him and convert it - very curious to see a strong FWD car in ITS.

Steve U
Flatout Motorsports
[/b]

Same here... I am very curious! :happy204: :happy204:

[Tkczecheredflag]

Willis is going back into ITS? Wow, that surprises me. I thought he liked run in the Prepared class.
[/b]
Roert said his car was faster when it was prepared for IT and he ran in "S" - He&#39;s staging a come back - no more porduction.

[lateapex911]

Same here... I am very curious! :happy204: :happy204:
[/b]

Just get on his bumper and don&#39;t let go...he&#39;s a quick one.

Sorry to hear of all the issues Tim! Seems like that car has tested your patience.

[lateapex911]

Don&#39;t do it. You will ruin your string of no-shows!

[/b]

This just in, and from the horses ....ummm....mouth... ;)

http://www.roadrace-autox.com/bbs/forums/t...posts=1&start=1 (http://www.roadrace-autox.com/bbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4189&posts=1&start=1)


However, it&#39;s not confirmed here...

http://www.nescca.com/registration/current...sp?ID=165352698 (http://www.nescca.com/registration/currentcount.asp?ID=165352698)

But the good news is that ITA is up to 20, and there are ZERO prod cars!

[Jeremy Billiel]

This just in, and from the horses ....ummm....mouth... ;)

http://www.roadrace-autox.com/bbs/forums/t...posts=1&start=1 (http://www.roadrace-autox.com/bbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4189&posts=1&start=1)
However, it&#39;s not confirmed here...

http://www.nescca.com/registration/current...sp?ID=165352698 (http://www.nescca.com/registration/currentcount.asp?ID=165352698)

But the good news is that ITA is up to 20, and there are ZERO prod cars!
[/b]

Look again Jake... I am there! June 7th (The second GSR)

[RKramden]

Willis is going back into ITS? Wow, that surprises me. I thought he liked run in the Prepared class.
[/b]

He scratched today. Broke the Motor.

[RKramden]

1: (SRF, Mid Bore) 26
2: (ITA, Small Bore) 20 (all ITA)
3: (Fast Formula) 12
4: (SM, SSB, SSC) 32 (only 2 SSB)
5: (Small Formula) 22
6: (ITR, ITS, ITB ) 31
7: (Big Bore) 29 Including car #82
8: (SSM, ITC) 20 (only 2 ITC)

192 cars plus about 25 school cars

[JLawton]

Jeff - I&#39;m peddlin&#39; as hard as I can
[/b]

Of course, Timmy has been know to tell a "story" or two...........If I was a betting man, I&#39;d put my money on him showin&#39; up!!



20 ITA only cars, that&#39;s cool!!

[Tkczecheredflag]

Of course, Timmy has been know to tell a "story" or two...........If I was a betting man, I&#39;d put my money on him showin&#39; up!!
20 ITA only cars, that&#39;s cool!!
[/b]
Unfortunately I probally will not know until Friday afternoon - the school is savin&#39; my butt.

[Jeremy Billiel]

Today was a good day. I worked on painting some more of the interior, I got my new hoosiers mounted, I mounted my power window and mirror switches. I also washed the car, ran it for a bit, added more cage padding, mounted the ECU.

Life is good. The car is off jackstands and the only thing left to do is put on the brake ducts.

[dominojd]

Today was a good day. I worked on painting some more of the interior, I got my new hoosiers mounted, I mounted my power window and mirror switches. I also washed the car, ran it for a bit, added more cage padding, mounted the ECU.

Life is good. The car is off jackstands and the only thing left to do is.......
[/b]

is learn to drive the car!

Fixed it for ya Jeremy. :P

[Jeremy Billiel]

is learn to drive the car!

Fixed it for ya Jeremy. :P
[/b]

Hey now don&#39;t go bashing me... I was watching your incar video of LRP last summer and I don&#39;t think you hit all of your apexs right in one lap the entire race!! :P :P

Be careful of what you distribute to people. Jeff gave me the video as I wanted to see where you guys were braking. Come to find out you need to learn the line at LRP.

:blink: :blink:

[Andy Bettencourt]

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/49105main_popcorn.jpg

[jpvonoy]

Add one more entry for ITA, if I ever stop procrastinating and sign up! Seriously though, I&#39;ll be there. I&#39;ve been looking at some in car videos trying to learn the track. The downhill looks pretty scary, especially with all those bumps. I can&#39;t wait! :eclipsee_steering:

[JLawton]

Add one more entry for ITA, if I ever stop procrastinating and sign up! [/b]

Um, I hope you mailed in your entry..........a WEEK ago!!!!!

Every hear of a late fee???

:unsure:

[jpvonoy]

Every hear of a late fee???

:unsure:
[/b]
I like to think of it this way: I&#39;m helping to support our region!

[Andy Bettencourt]

Awesome. You will love the place if it is dry. Wet paddock is tough to deal with.

[Andy Bettencourt]

And lets not forget Mr. Gulick hasn&#39;t hit the track in New England since July...of 2005...

We welcome you with open arms....<evil laugh>

[16v]

have fun this weeknd guys. I&#39;m going west


http://www.the16v.com/usgp07/07usgpghost.jpg

[Tkczecheredflag]

have fun this weeknd guys. I&#39;m going west
http://www.the16v.com/usgp07/07usgpghost.jpg
[/b]
nice Doug!

[Zephyr]

Put one more name in for ITB. If all goes to plan I&#39;ll be running in ITB with my CRX.

[RacerBill]

have fun this weeknd guys. I&#39;m going west
http://www.the16v.com/usgp07/07usgpghost.jpg
[/b]

PM me and give me a call as you buzz thru Columbus, OH.

[R2 Racing]

And lets not forget Mr. Gulick hasn&#39;t hit the track in New England since July...of 2005...

We welcome you with open arms....<evil laugh>
[/b]
Smells like blood in the water.


Put one more name in for ITB. If all goes to plan I&#39;ll be running in ITB with my CRX.
[/b]
Awesome! Good luck, Zephyr! :023:



I&#39;ll be at Indy as well, but I&#39;ll be looking for results on Monday. Someone beat Andy! :smilie_pokal:

[Andy Bettencourt]

I&#39;ll be at Indy as well, but I&#39;ll be looking for results on Monday. Someone beat Andy! :smilie_pokal: [/b] Mental note, scratch Ruck off Holiday list... :snow_cool:

[lateapex911]

Sorry, but after the test day I just had, the only way I&#39;m beating Andy, is with a stick, LOL>

[R2 Racing]

Mental note, scratch Ruck off Holiday list... :snow_cool:
[/b]


Sorry, but after the test day I just had, the only way I&#39;m beating Andy, is with a stick, LOL>
[/b]
That&#39;s fine. Just get video and be an internet "Supa Star"! B)

[JLawton]

I just had, the only way I&#39;m beating Andy, is with a stick, LOL>
[/b]


I&#39;m OK with that!!

[gran racing]

Sorry, but after the test day I just had, the only way I&#39;m beating Andy, is with a stick, LOL>[/b]

That bad? I mean, besides your leaky rims.

[dazzlesa]

ideas to beat andy <_< punt him, supercharger, take out the lead, nitrous. any other ideas?

[gran racing]

Oh, I don&#39;t know. Maybe a few bottles of this before the race might do the trick?

http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/82232/200.jpg

[Andy Bettencourt]

Funny stuff! Let&#39;s race!

[dpc]

So with that many ITA drivers showing up, what is the finishing order going to be? dave

[JLawton]

So with that many ITA drivers showing up, what is the finishing order going to be? dave
[/b]



Bettencourt (by 60 sesonds)
Benazic
Klvana (if he shows)
Hunter (if he shows)
Bogart (if he finishes)
Diminno (if he doesn&#39;t crash)
Lawton
Chandler
Vigliotti
Breault (if he doesn&#39;t get in a fight before the race....)
Maynard (no idea how he&#39;ll do, but it&#39;s a cool car so he deserves to do well!!)

The rest (as is the list above) is just a crap shoot

Another prediction: Jake shows up late and misses qualifying

[gran racing]

Jake late? Noooooo. LOL But he&#39;ll be sure to have a great story to tell why.

[andrew240z]

What time do the gates open on Friday afternoon?

[dpc]

Does that mean Andy should spot you 45sec, he could start at turn three. that would be a race....dave Everyone chip in $10,everyone he passes the $10 is his. that would be foun to watch......

I guess spell ck f---ed up...sorry-dave

[Andy Bettencourt]

It&#39;s only a 15 lap race...60 seconds - come on!

I am thinking the Benazic/Hunter/Lawton/Klvana race is gonna be the one to watch. Bogart/Diminno/Chandler right there ready to take advantage of misteps.

Take a look at the mix of cars - 13 seperate models!

Miata

Gen 2 Integra

Gen 3 Integra

318is

Z3

RX-7

SE-R

Laser

240SX

Neon

Saturn SC

Civic Si

CRX Si

[JLawton]

Take a look at the mix of cars - 13 seperate models!

[/b]


And only one that has a rats ass of winning......... <_<

Real cool.................. :rolleyes:

[Tkczecheredflag]

It doesn&#39;t look promising for CPM Motorsports TEG #11. I pulled out my F&C Whites - Maybe I could work a corner for you guys. I have not given up hope yet - I do believe in miracles.

[Andy Bettencourt]

And only one that has a rats ass of winning......... <_<

Real cool.................. :rolleyes: [/b]

If you don&#39;t plan on winning, you never will.

http://www.ernieball.com/private/ads/grow_some_balls.jpg

You seem to forget that Richie runs LOW 1:02&#39;s there - REMEMBER this race?... (http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=347377&highlight=4)you give up so easily after so little effort. Thanks - you make it easy!

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P

[lateapex911]

Another prediction: Jake shows up late and misses qualifying

[/b]

Well, at this point I&#39;d be happy with even that!

I ran some laps to heat cycle some sticker Hoosiers and as I turned into the paddock, it died. I worked on it all afternoon, and eliminated some stuff, and got it to run for 5 seconds. Then I pushed it to the trailer, and spent the next hour and a half pulling the winch apart to undo the two wraps that somehow got around the gears, just to get it IN the trailer. Where it now sits, awaiting my attention, which it will get in 50 seconds....

Still planning on running, but......

[JLawton]

If you don&#39;t plan on winning, you never will.[/b]

I&#39;m PLANNING on having a date with Paris Hilton; don&#39;t mean I have a rat&#39;s ass chance in hell of it happening...


...you give up so easily after so little effort. Thanks![/b]

And your wager for my win is...? (I&#39;ll double or nothing you on it...)

[Andy Bettencourt]

http://www.funkyafro.com/junk/reply_pics/Easy%20Target%20photo%203.gif

[dpc]

Notice I said 45 sec, this is looking like Pinks on Speed. dave

How about you start at the up-hill. thats fair?????? dave - Iwill pay $10 just to watch.

[gran racing]

How about Andy brings that car down to the ARRC. ;)

[Andy Bettencourt]

Oh, it&#39;s going.

[RSTPerformance]

It&#39;s only a 15 lap race...60 seconds - come on!
[/b]

Come on... Give andy credit... surely he can do better than that!!! 1 lap on the entire field... Each person whom doesn&#39;t have car issues (or driver issues = spinning/off track) should pay Andy $10 for each lap he puts on them :)



I&#39;m PLANNING on having a date with Paris Hilton; don&#39;t mean I have a rat&#39;s ass chance in hell of it happening...
[/b]

If you do get a date this kiss goodnight thorugh the glass probably wont be the same... Good Luck anyhow, your a race car driver so your chances are at least doubled right?

Have a great weekend everyone, I am looking forward to stories and videos :)

Raymond

[jimalley]

If everything is perfect I think I can get a top 25 :D

[RKramden]

What time do the gates open on Friday afternoon?
[/b]

Officially, the plan is for 7 PM.

Marianne plans to open registration at about 3ish if she can, but that does not mean that you can get in.

That is up to the track and only the track.

She is also a race chair for the weekend in addition to being the registrar, so she might just be a bit busy right then.

If you POLITELY let the flaggers at west bend know you are there (and only ONE person needs to do it, not each and every one of you) they will pass the word along to her. It may take her a bit of time to finish up whatever errand she is doing and get up to registration. It&#39;s not like she is sitting in a beach chair up on the hill sunning herself.

[gran racing]

your a race car driver so your chances are at least doubled right? [/b]

He drives a Saturn. Need I say any more? Yup, he&#39;s got much better odds of beating Andy.

[R2 Racing]

Can you guys just promise me one thing? Everytime you see the guy who&#39;s racing the Laser, could you point you finger out at him like a gun and go "Pew-pew!" for me? Please?

I&#39;d do it!




(honestly, i&#39;m kind of interested to see what that car will do.)

[dominojd]

ideas to beat andy <_< punt him, supercharger, take out the lead, nitrous. any other ideas?
[/b]

LET IT RAIN. :D

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/busi...ayLink_business (http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/USCT0197?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_business)

[RKramden]

ideas to beat andy <_< punt him, supercharger, take out the lead, nitrous. any other ideas?
[/b]

M-14...... grassy knoll..... conspiracy...... :(

[Jeremy Billiel]

LET IT RAIN. :D

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/busi...ayLink_business (http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/USCT0197?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_business)
[/b]

No Joe... I don&#39;t have any rain tires at the moment!

[Racerboy03]

I&#39;m PLANNING on having a date with Paris Hilton
[/b]


Just don&#39;t let her drive!!

[dominojd]

No Joe... I don&#39;t have any rain tires at the moment!
[/b]

Don&#39;t be a sissy. :P

[Tkczecheredflag]

My friend Tommy from Maine is lending me his &#39;95 Merc Tracer, ITA prepped, for the weekend. I think it&#39;s a wagon. It&#39;s supposed to be a real screamer on the dirt ovals. He&#39;s going to meet me at the track tonight so we can do last minute prep - should be interesting. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

CPM Motorosports lives ;)

[lateapex911]

Damn, I wanted to get that car! My motor seems to be toast... :mad1: :wacko: :rolleyes:

[Jeremy Billiel]

Man this sucks.... It&#39;s only 2PM on Friday. I am nervous as hell and anxious as hell. I have not raced in almost a year and I am looking forward to tomorrow, but also nervous at the same time.

Why do we race again? :P

Jeremy - Who won&#39;t sleep at all tonight...

[gran racing]

That&#39;s exactly what I&#39;ve been asking myself the last several nights working on my Prelude. I keep thinking, at least I&#39;m not Grant whose also working on MY racecar. LOL!!!

I&#39;ll all be worth it tomorrow for you Jeremy. Hopefully for me on Tuesday.

[JLawton]

Interesting ITA race.... I think it was going to turn into a barn burner.......Especially with Andy losing a spark plug wire and only running on three cylinders........

Anybody know the condition of the "7" driver???

Can anybody give a good account of what happened???

[dickita15]

The last thing I heard before I left was the lotus 7 driver was released and on his way back to the track.
The FP lotus started at the back and had passed a couple of cars. As he entered 5 the left rear axle sheared and the wheel fell off. He spun In the middle of the track and was hit in the left door by the white Miata. The Miata really had nowhere to go. The Miata really climbed all over the little lotus. Fortunately the lotus is (was) right hand drive. The blue Miata made it around on the left and the Rx7 tried to do the same but the wreck beat the rx7 to the hole and the rx7 just tapped the white Miata. No damage to the RX7 and he was able to find reverse and continue.
As this was at the rear of the pack, early in the race the workers had a little time to respond. When the pack came back around there was a highly visible waving yellow at 5 and the leaders did a great job of making it thru the carnage. 20 cars or so made it through the incident with no problem however the idiot in the silver Honda spun into the incident under the waving yellow. It was not a hard hit, the Honda was flat towed in, and I am told that he did not contribute to any injuries but I was highly disappointed in this guy’s judgment.
At this point the Red flag came out.
On a lighter not I am told that a letter has been sent to Topeka suggesting all cars be converted to Right Hand Drive as we now have anecdotal evidence that it is safer.

[cchandler]

After video review of the play............................ B)

[dickita15]

The Lotus started in 8th, not exactly in the back.
[/b]
Hmm I thought he started at the rear, if I am mistaken I am sorry



Accident happened in turn 4, the right hander.
[/b]
station 4 is the left hander, station 5, where this happened is the right hander leading on to no name



The white Miata, who incidentally, had a great start, spun trying to avoid the carnage. Viglioti, just in front of me, in his blue Honda, and I snuck thru just as the carnage was taking place.
[/b]
hmm that is inconsistent with the vidio from the rx7, not that it is a real big deal. I place no blame on the white Miata who contacted the lotus, he did the best he could. there was one blue car, a miata i think that passed the rx7 in the left hander that squezed thru and the the rx7 got cought up in it. I can not say who got thru after that but I thought Dom was well ahead of the incident.

[dominojd]

Well I have no input on the incident what so ever but, here is a short video of th eshortest race ever. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CNJxmslCA

[Jeremy Billiel]

Where do I start?

Saturday was an up and down day for me. I have not driven LRP in 3 years and have a lot of new parts on the car. Needless to say I was absolutely horrendous in qualifying! The car was pushing very badly and I needed to loosen it up big time.

After the qual session I was pretty mad with myself....

The race came and so did the threat of rain, which made me nervious as I do not currently have rain tires. The pressure just kept adding up.... The race came and went and for the most part it was uninventful. I had fun racing some ITB and ITS cars, but I was most happy with getting my lap times down 3 seconds from Qual.

Overall a good stepping stone for July 4th race back at LRP.

A couple of funny things over the weekend.

1. I had 3 individuals, who are on this message board, come to me and say man you get beat up a lot on the boards. I noticed your name right away! LOL

2. I did not even come close to my lap time predictions, so its time to check my ego at the door.

3. I am WAY too polite on the track. I mean, watching my incar video and I am way too easy.

Anyone want a good laugh? I am going to upload my video on youtube for all to giggle.

Oh and to add insult to injury, I showed the video to my wife and even she was laughing. Her comment was "You suck in the uphill"

[dominojd]

A couple of funny things over the weekend.

1. I had 3 individuals who are on this message board, come to me and say man you get beat up a lot on the boards. I noticed you name right away! LOL

2. I did not even come close to my lap time predictions, so its time to check my ego at the door.

3. I am WAY too polite on the track. I mean, watching my incar video and I way too easy.

Anyone want a good laugh? I am going to upload my video on youtube for all to giggle.
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1. It wouldn&#39;t be any fun not to beat you up on the forum. :D

2. Ego checked.

3. Haven&#39;t seen the video but, looked pretty good hangin tough on the outside of big bend.

I am already laughin after looking at the DL1 data. :P Seriosly you ran right around where I though you would. I would say that is pretty good for not running LRP for 3 years. As everyone knows to be fast at that bitch of a track you have to be there all the time and have BAWLS the size of grapefruits. :D

[andrew240z]

The lotus started from DFL, he couldnt get his car started so he never filled the eight position. Why was he in the ITA group?

[Tkczecheredflag]

Well I have no input on the incident what so ever but, here is a short video of th eshortest race ever. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CNJxmslCA
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Joe - I had a good run going on Richie at the start - thought he hit the NOS button after start finish - it was you my brother- Thanks Buddy! :rolleyes:

Crazy Joe is back and he&#39;s strong - we should all keep and eye on him. Sorry we couldn&#39;t all finish what we started - congrats to the Andy, Richie and Joe - short run but you earned it. Glad to here everyone else is okay.

Rick B. - Sorry for the bump exiting the esses - totally focused on your bumper - missed the flags - my bad -Sorry.

[dickita15]

The lotus started from DFL, he couldnt get his car started so he never filled the eight position. Why was he in the ITA group?
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the race group was ITA, T3, F Prod and G prod. there is not enough small prod cars to fill a race group.

[jimalley]

Anyone have more information on the driver of the lotus 7? I was the driver of the white Miata who hit him and can say it was frightening to realize how vulnerable he looked sitting in that car when I knew I was going to hit him.

I saw him spin and had quickly slowed and judged the evasive move to avoid him when someone hit me hard in the rear and launched me into him. I did feel the front of the car come up and had visions of having gone up on top if him.

I was quite shocked and surprised that with a saftey worker attending the Lotus 7 driver (who was obviously out cold) that race control did not have a double yellow out, and even more surprised to getting hit again as I was sitting in the car waiting for it to be safe to unbuckle. That corner worker could have been seriously injured trying to attend to and get medical assistance to the accident scene.

I now have a real appreciation for all the lectures and instruction on staying buclked up until instructed to get out of the car.

[dominojd]

Joe - I had a good run going on Richie at the start - thought he hit the NOS button after start finish - it was you my brother- Thanks Buddy! :rolleyes:

[/b]

As in the famous words of Mr. Richie Hunter "Don&#39;t be Hatin Mon" :D If you would have been in front of me you know you could have expected the same help in the HP department.

[dickita15]

Anyone have more information on the driver of the lotus 7? I was the driver of the white Miata who hit him and can say it was frightening to realize how vulnerable he looked sitting in that car when I knew I was going to hit him.

I saw him spin and had quickly slowed and judged the evasive move to avoid him when someone hit me hard in the rear and launched me into him. I did feel the front of the car come up and had visions of having gone up on top if him.

I was quite shocked and surprised that with a saftey worker attending the Lotus 7 driver (who was obviously out cold) that race control did not have a double yellow out, and even more surprised to getting hit again as I was sitting in the car waiting for it to be safe to unbuckle. That corner worker could have been seriously injured trying to attend to and get medical assistance to the accident scene.

I now have a real appreciation for all the lectures and instruction on staying buclked up until instructed to get out of the car.
[/b]
In case you missed Jim, the Chief Steward announced at the end that the lotus drive was on his way back to the track from the hospital. That was really great news. I don’t know if you saw Lou’s video but he was directly behind you at the point of impact at it was amazing how high the nose of your car got. This was not your fault.
As for a full course yellow vs. a the waving yellows that were up the entire field minus one Honda driver found that to be sufficient warning. The flags were very visible.

[jimalley]

"As for a full course yellow vs. a the waving yellows that were up the entire field minus one Honda driver found that to be sufficient warning. The flags were very visible."[/b]

I hope I don&#39;t sound critical, because I am not. The corner worker had been at the drivers side for a good 30 to 40 seconds when the second incident occured, I was very concerned for his safety. I am sure you realize that 30 to 45 seconds seemed alot longer sitting in the car.

It is no fun loosing a new car (or any car for that matter), but the fact that everyone is OK is much more important.

Were do I find Lou,s video?

[dickita15]

Were do I find Lou,s video?
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it is not on the web, I watched it thru his viewfinder.

[stevel]

Glad to hear all involved are OK.

So, who finished where?

[lateapex911]

The silver Honda showed very poor judgement, as I watched it all from the hill. (In hindsight, I guess I&#39;m actually glad my motor chose Tuesday to blow, as this race wasn&#39;t much fun, LOL) Glad the driver is OK. One one hand, thankfully the car was British, and RHD, on the other, if the darn thing wasn&#39;t British, maybe the wheel would have stayed attached!

On an interesting sidenote, if I am speculating correctly, Mr Bettencourts car didn&#39;t start in grid without a bump start. And if he has no fan on the car, he could not leave it idling during the black flag all in the pits. IF the race had restarted, there was a chance he might not have been able to rejoin without outside assistance, which means that....Richie would have won.

But, the race was never restarted, so that bullet was dodged.

This is all speculation, as I don&#39;t know if he has a fan or not, and if the no start condition fixed itself when running.

Joe made some strong moves, esp on the start. And a tip of the hat to Dr Bro, who really stepped up and got into the 4s. Nice job!

[Andy Bettencourt]

On an interesting sidenote, if I am speculating correctly, Mr Bettencourts car didn&#39;t start in grid without a bump start. And if he has no fan on the car, he could not leave it idling during the black flag all in the pits. IF the race had restarted, there was a chance he might not have been able to rejoin without outside assistance, which means that....Richie would have won.

But, the race was never restarted, so that bullet was dodged.

This is all speculation, as I don&#39;t know if he has a fan or not, and if the no start condition fixed itself when running.
[/b]

My car has a wierd hot-start problem but this wasn&#39;t it. My alternator light wasn&#39;t on but it was starting to &#39;glow&#39; and the car might have been running on battery alone. It didn&#39;t want to idle and I was very concerned I would finish. Above 3K rpm it was fine. I have both OEM fans in the car so I never had to shut her down while under red or under black in the pits. I would have been fine for a restart because I never shut the car off. The car was just coming in and ready to rock and roll when the incident stopped action.I am guessing a low 1:02 was in the cards under the warmer conditions.

Glad all are ok. I don&#39;t mind losing track time in the name of safty because one day that will be me who needs to be &#39;saved&#39;.

Big ups to the Doc...it&#39;s amazing how much HP you can find in the corners when you get a real set-up!

[RKramden]

On an interesting sidenote, if I am speculating correctly, Mr Bettencourts car didn&#39;t start in grid without a bump start. And if he has no fan on the car, he could not leave it idling during the black flag all in the pits. IF the race had restarted, there was a chance he might not have been able to rejoin without outside assistance, which means that....Richie would have won.
[/b]

No-one won the race. It never made it to half distance, hence there are no winners, no trophies, and no points.

[dickita15]

dave, didn&#39;t it finish on time?

[Andy Bettencourt]

No-one won the race. It never made it to half distance, hence there are no winners, no trophies, and no points. [/b]

Half the &#39;distance&#39; was more than 10 minutes...

[Jeremy Billiel]

OK everyone... Here it is!

The videos that everyone wants to laugh at...

Please remember that constructive criticism would be helpful as this is only my 3rd race. In the uphill I was using 4th gear, but its doooogs... I need to just go faster.

I got hosed on the start, but I have a couple of good passes here and there.

Video 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-lENUxMnKU
Video 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5yFZo0JxU

[lateapex911]

DId I hear the silver Honda driver called to the tower after the race? Was there any sanction or a talk with the Stewards after the incident, or.............???? Or are the comments and witness reports exagerated?

[dickita15]

I heard the Honda driver was interviewed by the chief steward. I did not hear of anything further.

[RKramden]

Half the &#39;distance&#39; was more than 10 minutes...
[/b]

No, the time factor does not apply for half the race unless it is a timed race ONLY, like the 3 hours race for RAL weekend, which would be official after 1.5 hours in the event of it being stopped (like for a massive thunder storm.)

Red Flag was at just under 9 minutes. IIRC, 11m:10s remaining on my clock (and the Starter keeps the official time.) I remember commenting to the other starters that it wasn&#39;t an official race.

The race is only shortened IF it goes over the 20 minute mark AND the leader hasn&#39;t started his last lap. If the leader crosses S/F with just one second remaining on the clock, the everyone gets another full lap. The final lap has to be started before the time limit. This actually happens a lot more than you would think.

When there is a red flag, the race is also backed off to the last completed lap, so officially, only 5 laps were completed, 2 short of half distance.

[RSTPerformance]

Sounds like an interesting weekend... I am glad that everyone is ok from the accidents.

Couple questions...

Why wasn&#39;t the ITA race re-started?

And most importantly any results for the ITB field?

Raymond

[Andy Bettencourt]

Anyone with the official results that were printed out have an official &#39;time of race&#39; or &#39;total time&#39; for us? I would have thought the official results would have mentioned something about nothing counting and no legal finishers should that have been the case...and the obvious question comes up, if there are no winners, no trophies and no points - do we get a refund? :blink: Doubt it.

For the record, we did get trophies...and I am 99% sure the results showed an official finishing order with a winner and fast lap. I just don&#39;t look at them for irregularities...

Ray, here is what happened from my seat:

1. local yellow

2. fcy

3. red flag

4. black flag all

5. 1 minute to go from pit lane

6. &#39;shut them down&#39; suggestion from pit lane workers

7. chequered flag while in pit lane at about the 15 minute mark

8. impound top 3

9. top 3 weighed and released

10. official results posted with finishing order

11. Trophies handed out

The race was not restarted due to cleanup that needed to be done to keep the schedule moving. Group 4 (SM - ITA was in G2) had no FCY&#39;s, yet was inexplicable shortened to 10 laps. Litterally, when the 5 lap to go countdown on the scoreboard hit, the chequered came out and the numbers went 5-4-3-2-1 in 2 seconds. The rest of the races were 15 laps.

[RKramden]

6.7.5. Shortened Races
A. If a race is stopped at less than fifty (50) percent of it’s scheduled time or distance and is not restarted, it shall be considered incomplete. Championship points shall not be awarded, and organizers shall not be required to distribute trophies or other awards.

"SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED". e.g. they may do it, but don&#39;t have to. But, no points (and no credit for running a race on your license.)


The clock is stopped when the red flag is called for.

If the results put out by T&S have some other time, then they are in error. T&S does not keep the official time for the race, Start does.

[jpvonoy]

I was pretty disappointed to only get 3 laps of racing; I felt a little ripped off. However, I really feel bad for the driver of the 7 car and I&#39;m glad we were red flagged for the sake of the workers and drivers involved in the wreck. Just seems like we had plenty of time for a restart. If I remember correctly, by the end of the day, all the race groups were done by approx. 5:15. BWDIK, I&#39;m new to all of this. I looked quickly in the GCR, but didn&#39;t see anything about refunds or the lack thereof. Are there any rules about that, especially if the race is considered incomplete?

On a positive note, it was so nice to have the workers bring out nice cold waters for all the drivers as we waited in pit lane :happy204:

[Andy Bettencourt]

6.7.5. Shortened Races
A. If a race is stopped at less than fifty (50) percent of it&#39;s scheduled time or distance and is not restarted, it shall be considered incomplete. Championship points shall not be awarded, and organizers shall not be required to distribute trophies or other awards.

"SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED". e.g. they may do it, but don&#39;t have to. But, no points (and no credit for running a race on your license.)


The clock is stopped when the red flag is called for.

If the results put out by T&S have some other time, then they are in error. T&S does not keep the official time for the race, Start does. [/b]

I am all for what is fair. Just trying to learn.

[b]And are you saying that we don&#39;t even get credit for a start? Then we ARE entitled to a refund I would think. I don&#39;t know anyone who was thinking that but given this new info that the race may not have counted...</span></span></span></span>

Again, just learning. An anomoly like this happens every year and its fun to explore the hapenings. Bottom line, everyone was ok and THAT is what is important. I left my offical results in the tow vehicle and I am trying to track them down. I know Joe must have them for his contingency submittal!</span>

[Jeremy Billiel]

Again, just learning. An anomoly like this happens every year and its fun to explore the hapenings. Bottom line, everyone was ok and THAT is what is important. I left my offical results in the tow vehicle and I am trying to track them down. I know Joe must have them for his contingency submittal![/size][/font]
[/b]

Crazy Joe had them alright... That 3rd place 3 lap race was worth $200 bucks in Hancook bucks!

[Andy Bettencourt]

I&#39;m new to all of this. I looked quickly in the GCR, but didn&#39;t see anything about refunds or the lack thereof. Are there any rules about that, especially if the race is considered incomplete?
[/b] If Dave is correct that we get no credit for a start...I would think so. If we get no credit for a start, did the &#39;race&#39; actually happen? Was it &#39;cancelled&#39;? Interesting read on the terms...I don&#39;t think it&#39;s appropriate to not distribute credit for a start and not consider the race cancelled. At the very least, we should get a start credit, no refund and no points. Not super excited about that but it is what it is! Again, we need a read on the official &#39;total time&#39;...I just can&#39;t remember what the sheet said...dang!</span>

[Marcus Miller]

What about NARRC / NERRC points and the rules about having to run at x number of tracks during the year?

(West Coaster, but I remember you guys have some funky bonus points for travelling away from home)


:026:
Marcus

[Andy Bettencourt]

What about NARRC / NERRC points and the rules about having to run at x number of tracks during the year?

(West Coaster, but I remember you guys have some funky bonus points for travelling away from home)


:026:
Marcus [/b]

The rules say that you must qualify OR start to get credit toward double points. So interestingly, according to Dave, we could all get credit for &#39;attending&#39; for the NARRC points chase, yet at the same time, get no offical start for licensing purposes.

[Marcus Miller]

The rules say that you must qualify OR start to get credit toward double points. So interestingly, according to Dave, we could all get credit for &#39;attending&#39; for the NARRC points chase, yet at the same time, get no offical start for licensing purposes.
[/b]

:cavallo:

Nice!

Back to lurking,
Marcus

[Tkczecheredflag]

Andy - I am looking at the sheet and there is no mention of "official time". There are other referrences to time but no referrence to racing time.

[RKramden]

Andy,

T&S cannot provide the time requirements for Start on a "timely" basis. Starters have to do this for themselves. We don&#39;t time the laps (T&S does that), but we do keep the time for the length of the sessions. If we had to ask T&S for an "official time", we would need to call the stewards on the F&C radio, have them ask T&S on the Race Administration radio, and then get an answer back via the reverse path. Way to inaccurate.

The starter has to display the checkered flag on the correct lap, and it can be a real guessing game if the time limit is being reached and the distance hasn&#39;t been covered. More than once, the decision to checker a race on a given lap based on time has come down to a matter of seconds (e.g. less than 1 or 2 seconds).

At tracks like NHIS, the timing line is in front of the timing building in turn 4, and the T&S people don&#39;t really know when the race starts and ends. Officially, the first lap starts when you cross the S/F line and ends at the timing line. Hence the line in the supps that the first lap will not be used for setting fastest lap or track records. At that track, the Starter also scores the final lap for T&S and we call T&S to tell them if there were any position changes between the timing loop and the S/F line.

At Lime Rock, the timing loop isn&#39;t at the S/F line either, but it is only a few ( less than 12) feet past the line so the error is small. However, there have been times where the first car to the S/F line was not the first car to be picked up by the timing loop. (Hint: Keep your transponder as near the front of the car as you can...)

As far as when the race was red flagged, the timing system MAY have the time fairly close, but it is a case of them being told that race was stopped and then the computer system being "adjusted" to reflect what is needed. (Yes, I spent a year in T&S running one of those computers when I had bad knees). Start stops a clock when the Steward calls for the red flag. (I say "A" clock, because we normally have three or four clocks running. If there is a red or black flag all, we stop one and keep another going.)

As far as the list of required equipment goes, you will find there are lots of useless things (equipment) required, and lots of things that are required to do the job that are not listed. The GCR isn&#39;t "up to date", and hasn&#39;t been for years. (see 5.5 for the list for each flag station.) Any request to the CRB to have those parts of it updated falls on deaf ears. For example, you may note that there is no mention of a number board, a "sound" board, a "1" sign, a "pace car" sign, an "ALL" sign for "Black flag all", or the requirements that we have pencils (to do lap charts), paper, a clip board or two, or any of the dozens of other things needed to do the job. The list is neither all inclusive or exclusive.

Of course, at a drivers school, I time sessions with my sundial. B)

[Andy Bettencourt]

I got in touch with my results. No total time listed on there like on the MyLaps format.

So now we enter the GCR. In both the Black Flag All and Red Flag sections, it says drivers shall proceed directly to the pits after being &#39;released&#39; by an official. In this case it was the Pace Car who released me. We were then brought down Pit Lane and held there. While not official by any means, my crew guy (who was standing next to the wall telling me what was going on) said they called the race because the 20 minutes was up.

The officals most certainly had the intention of getting us back out there. They even gave us the one minute sign before they told us to shut down in Pit Lane. We COULD have circled the track under double yellow/Pace Car control for the 20 minutes/10+laps for sure...

What is the right thing to do?

What SHOULD the official results said? No positions, no times? I have a feeling T&S and the Chief Steward havn&#39;t even thought this would come up. No mention of it not being an official race was passed along. Should it have been?

(on edit: Supps say on black flag cars are to report to &#39;pit center&#39;)

[RKramden]

While not official by any means, my crew guy (who was standing next to the wall telling me what was going on) said they called the race because the 20 minutes was up.
[/b]

The decision to checker the race after the red came out was made with about 5 or 6 minutes on the running clock (e.g. the one we kept running, not the one we stopped when the red was called for.)

I must admit, I wondered why the race wasn&#39;t restarted after the cleanup. But, it wasn&#39;t my call, and not something for me to question. You need to ask the Assistant Chief Steward who was actually running that race why he made that choice.

I will bet that his attention was correctly focused on more important issues at that moment.

[Andy Bettencourt]

I must admit, I wondered why the race wasn&#39;t restarted after the cleanup. But, it wasn&#39;t my call, and not something for me to question. You need to ask the Assistant Chief Steward who was actually running that race why he made that choice.

I will bet that his attention was correctly focused on more important issues at that moment. [/b]

Well, if cleanup was complete then the ACS knew that when you did...so the decision was made knowingly to shorten our race. I don&#39;t think the cleanup was done as no cars had come off track while we were on pit lane. I think they knew they COULDN&#39;T get it cleaned up in time so they finished us because time was running out.

[philstireservice]

Crazy Joe had them alright... That 3rd place 3 lap race was worth $200 bucks in Hancook bucks!
[/b]



Were you on the Hankooks buddy? Great drive for 6 minutes or so Joe........I got your next supply of Hankooks ready...:)


P

[Andy Bettencourt]

Were you on the Hankooks buddy? Great drive for 6 minutes or so Joe........I got your next supply of Hankooks ready... :)


P [/b]

He was - saw them with my own two eyes...

[dominojd]

Were you on the Hankooks buddy? Great drive for 6 minutes or so Joe........I got your next supply of Hankooks ready...:)
P
[/b]

Very cool I was going to call you about that this week. Yes as Andy stated I have been running them since day one this year. I also turned my best lap ever at LRP this weekend in qual 1:03.4.

[JLawton]

REMATCH, REMATCH, REMATCH!!!!!


Here&#39;s a little more interesting video than Joe&#39;s from a few cars back.....Unfortunately it doesn&#39;t show how hard Joe and Brad were driving to try in stay ahead of the wolves!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCgUFwBppX4


Man, did I get smoked on the start! I got bottled up behind Reilly in the RX8. But man, I was just waiting for someone to make a mistake!!!


Props to the Doc!! Niiiiiiiiiice!!!!

Glad everyone was OK, thanks for the update Dick.



What&#39;s done is done. No sense crying over spilled milk............... Let&#39;s go have some fun on the 4th........

[Tkczecheredflag]

REMATCH, REMATCH, REMATCH!!!!!
Here&#39;s a little more interesting video than Joe&#39;s from a few cars back.....Unfortunately it doesn&#39;t show how hard Joe and Brad were driving to try in stay ahead of the wolves!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCgUFwBppX4
Man, did I get smoked on the start! I got bottled up behind Reilly in the RX8. But man, I was just waiting for someone to make a mistake!!!
Props to the Doc!! Niiiiiiiiiice!!!!

Glad everyone was OK, thanks for the update Dick.
What&#39;s done is done. No sense crying over spilled milk............... Let&#39;s go have some fun on the 4th........
[/b]
I was so focused on Rick B&#39;s bumper and trying to put a move on him, I almost drove into the wreck - very close - I did miss the flags - my bad. Great video!

[JLawton]

I just got off the phone with the Lotus driver. He is a very, very lucky guy. If this was a left hand drive car, he probably would not have made it.

He doesn&#39;t remember much, was unconscious for a long time. Very sore, has some headaches.....But already thinking about how to get the car fixed.......Typical dumb ass racer....... :lol:

I told him to get rid of the British cars.............

[RKramden]

Well, if cleanup was complete then the ACS knew that when you did...so the decision was made knowingly to shorten our race. I don&#39;t think the cleanup was done as no cars had come off track while we were on pit lane. I think they knew they COULDN&#39;T get it cleaned up in time so they finished us because time was running out.
[/b]

normal procedure is to have the wreckers and tilt bed exit the track at west bend, if that will be the fastest way off the track.

[Andy Bettencourt]

normal procedure is to have the wreckers and tilt bed exit the track at west bend, if that will be the fastest way off the track. [/b]

So they either didn&#39;t get it cleaned up in time or they did and didn&#39;t allow us to go back out. My information is that the race clock ran out of time.

Excellent news Jeff!

[raffaelli]

Was a nice today to be at Limerick. I checked out a bunch of cars collecting ideas. I saw the poster of the Palmer track, looks nice!. I saw Flatout get jump started on false grid....someone shouted "a kink the in armor Andy?"...Not really I supposed as by the Red Flag he had a comfortable gap.

That Lotus started from pit lane. He entered the false grid during the warm up lap. As he pasted from false grid into pit lane, he waved to the workers. The women whom bring the cars off false grid mentioned what a nice guy he is as he made is way down the pit lane. I am glad to hear that he is doing well. His result could have been much worse. I saw the car while it was in the tech area. The cage was fairly distorted. Good thing he was on the right side or he would have received a blow to the rib cage from the horizontal bar. It looked like it moved about 12" at its worst. Fortunate that he was not upside down as the vertical hoop did not look substantial. Glad the driver will heal, not sure about the car though. Under the hood showed lots of stress in the welds.

I understand that the State Police do an investigation. Does the SCCA do an investigation and review of the performance of the safety features of the car and issue a report?

[lateapex911]

Not a report per se&#39; that I am aware of, but, the car is towed to impound, and the tech inspectors go over it and inspect it for damage. Damage is noted in the logbook, and the car will require reinspection before it is allowed to take to the track again.

I observed part of the inpsection process, and there was a ripple in the drivetrain tunnel, but other than that, the driver compartment seemed intact. It felt alot better to have heard his condition was goood when looking at the car.

[raffaelli]

Seems like an opportunity for the inspectors to add to a database of cage and saftey equipment performance for future refinements.

[Jeremy Billiel]

Was anyone there taking pictures?

I still haven&#39;t seen anything on mylaps.com

[gran racing]

In the uphill I was using 4th gear, but its doooogs... [/b]

Just watched some of your video. 4th gear will be fine once you get more comfortable with going into the uphill. I also noticed you lift several times preceeding no name. I did like how you were aware of other cars beside you. I&#39;ll do my best to chase you down on the 4th if my car is survives tomorrows test day. B)

[JLawton]

Kip Moncrief, send me an e-mail:

jlawton at echn.org

[kipmoncrief]

Hello,
My Name is Christopher (KIP) Moncrief. I am the driver of the Silver Honda CRX that was involved in Saturday’s accident.
I would like to apologize deeply for my actions over the weekend. I didn’t see the yellow until I was on top of the incident which was my first mistake. I looked for a place to go and saw the corner worker already attending to the Lotus driver on the inside of the track and that is when I locked it up and spun to the left side of the miata. Seeing as multiple cars had made it through this corner without adding to the incident my late entry has no excuse but poor judgment as was stated earlier. Please except my honest apology for the incident.
I am new to this group and I would like you all to feel comfortable racing with me. I made a big mistake and you can be sure that I have been replaying this chain of events over in my head for the past couple of days and all I can say is that I am thankful that every one is ok. I will be back on the 4th to gain more experience and prove to you all that I can race in this group.
Thank you for your time,

Kip Moncrief
221 South Main st.
Suffield, Ct 06078
860.916.3751

[dickita15]

Kip, you are a stand up guy. I apreciate the apology and more importantly your willingness to learn from the incident.

[lateapex911]

Thats a heck of a first post! I second Dicks comments.

[Andy Bettencourt]

+1. I&#39;ll race with anyone willing to continue to learn. We all make mistakes and we all try and learn. Good show. Glad everyone is OK.

[jimalley]

Great Post Kip! I would like to tell the rest of the group that you were very stand-up and sincere in the paddock area after the incident and that was important to me as I was the car you hit.

You were only responsible for one of the three corners of my car that got damage so I will send you 33% of the bill :D

Just joking I know you have your own problems to fix. Like they say at every NASCAR event " it was just one of those racing things"

Good luck on the 4th. Wish I could be there.

Jim Alley

[JLawton]

Jim,
On a side note, what kind of HNS device were you wearing (if any)? Do you think it did it&#39;s job?

Just curious to see how they stand up to real live situations.

Glad you&#39;re OK, hope the car is repairable!!

[jimalley]

Jeff

I wear a Hahn&#39;s device and yes I think it did the job. I was hit in the rear twice and obviously had a hard frontend crash and I feel fine. I wasn&#39;e sore the day after either. At 61 years old it doesnt take much to make one lame :lol:

We have ordered parts and will repair the car. It will be back :P

[16v]

damn. I go to the USGP and miss all the action :bash_1_: