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R2 Racing
03-22-2006, 01:38 PM
This off season has been rough and I'm counting down the days until we start up again. So, that being said, who's planning on going to IRP in May?

I will be there in my ITA Integra. I have also talked with all of these guys and they're all planning on being there: Ian Green in his ITA CRX Si, Matt Downing in his ITA Civic EX, and Scott Lunder in his ITA Civic Si. Only 6.5 weeks left, but who's counting?

I still need to add about 25lbs to my Integra before then. It'll all be in additional rollcage! :023:

Racerlinn
03-22-2006, 05:24 PM
I'm counting, trust me. Half of me says that's too long and the other half says how am I gonna get all this stuff done.
Ugh, all these frickin Hondas....... :D

Here's a small part of the Supps which will be in the mail by then end of this week:

SCHEDULE
Times subject to change by SOM
REGISTRATION HOURS
Friday………………………………..............4:00p-9:00p
Saturday……………………………...............7:15a-10:30a
Saturday PM (for Sunday Races)……………3:00p-6:00p
Sunday……………………………………….7:15a-10:30a
TECH HOURS
Friday……………………………………….4:30p-9:30p
Saturday AM………………………………..7:15a-11:30a
Saturday PM (NO Annual Tech)……............3:30p-6:00p
Sunday………………………………............7:15a-10:30a
Scales ……………………………………8:00a-11:00a
SATURDAY & SUNDAY On-Track Schedule
Begin 25 Minute Qualifying, Groups 1 thru 5 ……..8:00a
Followed by Race 1 before lunch (15 Laps)
Followed by lunch (1 hour)
Followed by Races for Groups 2 thru 5 (15 Laps)
Followed by our Special Feature Race (Sat only)
The Party (Sat only)……………………… ……... 6:00p

IRP Gates Open at 7:00am on Saturday & Sunday.
Track Closes at 10:00pm Friday & Saturday, 7:00pm Sunday.
NO Racing Engines After 8:00pm.

Indianapolis Raceway Park’s
OPEN TEST DAY
Friday, May 5, 2006
Contact IRP @ 317-291-4090
This is an IRP event that is not sanctioned by the SCCA

RACE GROUPS:
Group 1 SM, ITB, ITC, SSB, SSC, GP, HP
Group 2 ITE, GT1, GT2, GT3, AS, GT1, GT2, T1, T2, SP
Group 3 ITS, ITA, BG, T3, SPU, EP, FP, GTL
Group 4 FA, FM, FS, FC, CFC, FF,S2, ASR, CSR, DSR
Group 5 SRF, CFF, FV, F5, FST


EVENT FEES
DEADLINE TO AVOID $25 LATE ENTRY FEE IS MAY 1
DEADLINE TO AVOID $50 CANCELATION FEE IS MAY 5
One Regional Only $ 200
Both Regionals – One Car/One Driver $ 250
Both Regionals – One Car/Two Drivers $ 300
Both Regionals – Two Classes, One Car/One Driver $ 350
Late Entry Fee - add if postmarked after May 1 $ 25
Compliance Fee (SR, FSCCA, SCCASR - Each Race) $ 10
Saturday Evening Party Donation (Voluntary) $ 10
Late Cancellation Fee $ 50
NSF Check Fee $ 50

And for everyone's Saturday afternoon entertainment:Special Feature Event
1. On Saturday there will be a Special Feature Event - The Miata Mayhem Dash for Dollars. This event will be open to SM cars only. It is not a points event for any series
2. To enter, sign up at Driver Information. Entry fee will be $20, ALL of which will go into the purse, along with additional funds to be determined by the Race Chairmen. Minimum purse will be $500.
3. Purse Distribution: 30% to First Place, 20% to Second place, 10% to Third Place, 20% to Most Improved Position , 20% as Hard Luck Award. Most Improved Award will go to the driver who improves most upon his starting position (tiebreaker will be highest finish). Hard Luck Award to be determined by the Race Chairmen and Operating Stewards. Payout will be in cash after the event. Top three finishers will also receive Champaign, podium photo session, and winner will have their own umbrella girl (or guy if requested) prior to the Sunday Race.
4. Race will be 15 laps. Starting positions will be determined by the fastest single lap turned in either practice or race on Saturday (running as either SM or ITA)

Eagle7
03-22-2006, 06:15 PM
Not me. See you at Grattan.

R2 Racing
03-23-2006, 12:08 AM
Thanks for all of the info, Steve. It's always pleasing to see that I haven't been classed with SM. :)



Marty, it looks like we may have the ITC Civic, the ITA Integra, and the ITS Prelude at Grattan. :119: You actually might be seeing much more of the Prelude this year as we've picked up an additional team member who will be driving it. It'll just be me at IRP though.

Racerlinn
03-23-2006, 10:26 AM
Thanks for all of the info, Steve. It's always pleasing to see that I haven't been classed with SM. :)
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Hey, feel free to bring that little orange ITC car over instead instead of the big ITA one!
:happy204:

R2 Racing
03-23-2006, 12:12 PM
Hey, feel free to bring that little orange ITC car over instead instead of the big ITA one!
:happy204:
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It's not nearly as much fun to drive! Besides, I feel the need to knock a couple more tenths off of that record. ;)

So, a SM dash for cash, huh? That should be interesting. I also hope we'll be treated to some Saturday night roundy-round action too - beer goes down remarkably quick when watching that stuff. :023:

Racerlinn
03-23-2006, 02:26 PM
We have been told that there will be NOTHING on the oval that weekend. Sorry, but that's the way we need it to be. It's bad enough when they run the roundy-rounds on Saturday night as it puts delays in our afternoon schedule when we have to hold for groups of the oval racers to enter the oval. And last years Indy-car ride-along cr@p was even worse (we dodged a bullet with getting our race group moved to Sunday morning - I know I didn't want to come out of 15 on to that snot-slick front strech). Don't get me wrong, I love the oval and have spent a lot of time down on the turn 1 hill (for many years before I even knew about SCCA), but the facility is simply not designed to accomodate multi-use when the road course is involved.

If you think the SM Dash is interesting, wait till you hear what we have planned for the Oct. race weekend. It's a type of specialty race that last run about 10 or 15 years for all closed wheel cars. Very entertaining.

R2 Racing
03-23-2006, 03:33 PM
And last years Indy-car ride-along cr@p was even worse (we dodged a bullet with getting our race group moved to Sunday morning - I know I didn't want to come out of 15 on to that snot-slick front strech).[/b]
A yes, I remember this. That was a pain - we sat there hopeless in our cars while a storm was rolling in. I seriously don't think I would've raced if they made us with that storm.


Originally posted by 'Racerlinn' date='Mar 23 2006@ 01:26 PM' post='77589'
If you think the SM Dash is interesting, wait till you hear what we have planned for the Oct. race weekend. It's a type of specialty race that last run about 10 or 15 years for all closed wheel cars. Very entertaining.
Awesome. Make it something good since I haven't decided if I want to go to that weekend or not yet. ;)

iagreen
03-24-2006, 10:06 AM
Indianapolis Raceway Park’s
OPEN TEST DAY
Friday, May 5, 2006
Contact IRP @ 317-291-4090
This is an IRP event that is not sanctioned by the SCCA
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Sweet. I'll have to call about that. Then I can break the engine in before qualifying. And get a idea of the course!

Kevin, we should probably "share" your trailer since your dad isn't going. Do you want to go to the Friday tets day also if its resonably priced?

R2 Racing
03-24-2006, 10:20 AM
Kevin, we should probably "share" your trailer since your dad isn't going. Do you want to go to the Friday tets day also if its resonably priced?
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Yea, I agree on us just taking my trailer. I wouldn't need the test day for any reason but pending my ability to take the day off of work, I'd probably be willing to go over early.

Racerlinn
03-24-2006, 01:08 PM
Sweet. I'll have to call about that. Then I can break the engine in before qualifying. And get a idea of the course!
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Ian, I will be happy to show you the wrong way around the course and help break your engine....
:D

RacerBill
03-24-2006, 03:26 PM
If you think the SM Dash is interesting, wait till you hear what we have planned for the Oct. race weekend. It's a type of specialty race that last run about 10 or 15 years for all closed wheel cars. Very entertaining.
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Is this going to be like the handicap race Indy region used to put on? Damm, I am going to have to make that one. Imagine 30-40 cars handicaped so that potentially they would all finish a 10 lap race at exactly the same time. The field starts out spread WAAAAAAYYYY out and compresses as the race progresses, instead of the other way around! Hold your breath while the GT1 cars all try to pass the rest of the field on drag strip on the last lap!!!!!!!

R2 Racing
03-24-2006, 05:18 PM
^^^ I'M IN!! :smilie_pokal:

C. Ludwig
03-24-2006, 05:30 PM
Have a deal to drive an SM car that weekend. My car is still in storage somewhere. Where did I leave it?

There is an open track day at IRP on April 20th. It's supposed to be an RX-7 gathering but there are always different marks. $250 for the day. Here is the guy's contact info.

[email protected]

Racerlinn
03-24-2006, 05:50 PM
Is this going to be like the handicap race Indy region used to put on? Damm, I am going to have to make that one. Imagine 30-40 cars handicaped so that potentially they would all finish a 10 lap race at exactly the same time. The field starts out spread WAAAAAAYYYY out and compresses as the race progresses, instead of the other way around! Hold your breath while the GT1 cars all try to pass the rest of the field on drag strip on the last lap!!!!!!!
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(In best dead-pan voice)
I have no idea what you are talking about Bill......
:smilie_pokal:
(we need a wink-wink smilie)



Have a deal to drive an SM car that weekend. My car is still in storage somewhere. Where did I leave it?
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Well, there's one less ITS car I don't have to watch out for!

Racerlinn
03-27-2006, 11:36 AM
Entry forms now available at:

http://www.indyscca.org/RaceFiles/entries/...ntry%20Form.pdf (http://www.indyscca.org/RaceFiles/entries/2006/2006%20Spring%20RR%20Entry%20Form.pdf)

R2 Racing
03-27-2006, 01:20 PM
Steve, two quick questions.

1 - IRP will be on CST, right? I can never remember.

2 - Have there been any more improvements to the track on top of what was already there last May?

Only 40 days to go. :rolleyes:

Racerlinn
03-27-2006, 01:39 PM
We have finally been able to pull central Indiana out of the stone-age and we will be observing Daylight Savings Time, so we will be on EST, not CST.
Unfortunately no additional track improvements since the July race (that I am aware of - haven't been out since last fall). There were patches improved at several apexes between May and July.
New carpeting in the T&S building B)

DENNISC020
03-28-2006, 04:37 PM
I'll be there - first race...hopefully ! taking drivers school @ Blackhawk April 20-23. Car is 99.9 % done. Waiting on my shocks and struts from BSI. I've been attending races at IRP since the mid-sixtys when USAC stocks ran the road course. Can't wait

Drew Aldred
03-28-2006, 05:05 PM
Hey Dennis,

So I'm on my own if I go to St. Louis that weekend ?? Make sure you have some extra tape to put that big ol' X on the side of your ride !!!!! :023: Watch out for the dip on the back straight near the oval........ :eclipsee_steering: That SM Dash for Cash sounds interesting, maybe I'll come down and check it out.

Only a few weeks till school.

DENNISC020
03-28-2006, 08:25 PM
big yellow X... :dead_horse:

R2 Racing
03-29-2006, 09:30 AM
What kind of a car do you have, Dennis?

Good luck on your first event! :023:

DENNISC020
03-29-2006, 01:19 PM
83 Scirocco ITB #99 -

iagreen
03-30-2006, 03:22 PM
I just spoke to IRP about the test day May/5. Here's what I know.

Gates open 7am
1st group out ~8:30am
1 hour lunch break
Registration closes at 3pm
Sign-up/Register upon arrival
20min alternating open/closed wheel groups
Enter thru Gate 8
Full day $125
1/2 day $75

Kevin, any ideas? I think a half day would be good. Maybe make a relaxed leave from cbus Friday morning to run in the afternoon. Assuming it doesn't fill up. (no limit known to IRP)

Prophet
03-30-2006, 03:45 PM
I'll be there with my "slow" Escort. I'll be joining 2 other Neons, one of which wrecked last year which Steve caught on tape. :cavallo: :happy204: :o

-JD-

Racerlinn
03-31-2006, 01:26 PM
I just spoke to IRP about the test day May/5. Here's what I know.

Gates open 7am
1st group out ~8:30am
1 hour lunch break
Registration closes at 3pm
Sign-up/Register upon arrival
20min alternating open/closed wheel groups
Enter thru Gate 8
Full day $125
1/2 day $75

Kevin, any ideas? I think a half day would be good. Maybe make a relaxed leave from cbus Friday morning to run in the afternoon. Assuming it doesn't fill up. (no limit known to IRP)
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That's the normal deal they usually have.
The afternoon sessions are usually not too full.
Just depends how much track time you want.



I'll be there with my "slow" Escort. I'll be joining 2 other Neons, one of which wrecked last year which Steve caught on tape. :cavallo: :happy204: :o

-JD-
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I promise to try and not catch any more such incidents this year!

R2 Racing
03-31-2006, 05:40 PM
Kevin, any ideas? I think a half day would be good. Maybe make a relaxed leave from cbus Friday morning to run in the afternoon. Assuming it doesn't fill up. (no limit known to IRP)
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That sounds good to me. If we load up Thursday night, we can leave my house around 7 or 8am and be easily there and ready to go by noon. For $75 I may even take a couple sessions myself.

Racerlinn
04-24-2006, 11:54 AM
Two weeks and counting.
Avoid late fee's by getting your registration in by May 1.
http://www.indyscca.org/RaceFiles/entries/...ntry%20Page.pdf (http://www.indyscca.org/RaceFiles/entries/2006/2006%20Spring%20RR%20Entry%20Page.pdf)

R2 Racing
04-24-2006, 04:48 PM
I'm adding ballast to my car tonight so I can meet my new weight. After that I'll be corner weighting, checking toe, and all that happy stuff. I should be about ready after that. :023:

C. Ludwig
04-24-2006, 08:33 PM
I'll be heading up Friday morning with my new ride. Can SM guys still post here? :D Going to take a few laps Friday to see what this SM craze is all about before jumping in the deep end. Stop by and say hi!

R2 Racing
04-25-2006, 10:02 AM
Chris, did you sell the RX-7? Are you planning on making a run at nationals this year in SM?


I got the new ballast in my car last night and got it all corner weighted. It's going to be wierd having to actually worry about making weight now since that's something I've never had to worry about before.

(insert cheap shot by Steve here) :P

Racerlinn
04-25-2006, 10:06 AM
Chris, did you sell the RX-7? Are you planning on making a run at nationals this year in SM?
I got the new ballast in my car last night and got it all corner weighted. It's going to be wierd having to actually worry about making weight now since that's something I've never had to worry about before.

(insert cheap shot by Steve here) :P
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhh, nevermind. :birra:

Racerlinn
04-25-2006, 10:42 AM
After that I'll be corner weighting[/b]

What's corner weighting? Oh, you must mean what happens when you are waiting for the car to actually make it through the corner. I know all about that.



checking toe[/b]

I checked all my toes. The big one on my right foot has a hangnail.

C. Ludwig
04-25-2006, 05:00 PM
Chris, did you sell the RX-7? Are you planning on making a run at nationals this year in SM?
I got the new ballast in my car last night and got it all corner weighted. It's going to be wierd having to actually worry about making weight now since that's something I've never had to worry about before.

(insert cheap shot by Steve here) :P
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My car is still just as it came off the track after the last weekend at M-O. I made the side work I had been doing into a legit business last fall and have had zero free time since. I toyed with the idea of selling the car but will keep it. I decided a few months ago I would just mothball it for at least this year. Aside from being too busy the price of gas just has me not wanting to even think about pulling the trailer.

A buddy of mine built the SM car last year. He's new and offered me a drive or two to shake the car down and see where it's at. Lets me keep my license in good standing and have some fun.

R2 Racing
04-29-2006, 08:26 AM
Forecast:
Saturday, Sunny, 70°/51°, 20% chance of precip

Sunday, Mostly Sunny, 69°/54°, 10% chance of precip


I sure do hope it remains like that. :023:

wsmith
04-30-2006, 12:27 AM
Chris,

I ask you to drive my car , I introduce you to attractive 24 year old blonde females, do you have any better friend? I only hope that Jared doesn't spend the Sunday of this weekend at Indianapolis Methodist Hospital like he did last year at this event weekend.

Win

C. Ludwig
04-30-2006, 01:38 AM
Chris,

I ask you to drive my car , I introduce you to attractive 24 year old blonde females, do you have any better friend? I only hope that Jared doesn't spend the Sunday of this weekend at Indianapolis Methodist Hospital like he did last year at this event weekend.

Win
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Nothin but love man! :D

R2 Racing
05-01-2006, 08:41 AM
Car's done and ready to go! Now I just need to get all of this damn work stuff out of the way.

RacerBill
05-01-2006, 10:39 AM
Good luck, Kevin. Wish I was going, but it would have been a real expensive weekend, and I did not feel comfortable driving that far for the first race on the car, and the shift linkage is not done.....

We're looking forward to seeing you on the hill at Mid-Ohio in July (that would be FTW since you will be in Indy the first weekend).

Racerlinn
05-01-2006, 12:39 PM
I only hope that Jared doesn't spend the Sunday of this weekend at Indianapolis Methodist Hospital like he did last year at this event weekend.

Win
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Win, I'm pretty sure we all feel that way. Is Jared still running the FV?


I'll try and get some a copy of the early entry list to post.

R2 Racing
05-01-2006, 01:47 PM
I'll try and get some a copy of the early entry list to post.
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I had actually planned on asking you today if you could do that. :023:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("RacerBill&#39;)</div>
]We&#39;re looking forward to seeing you on the hill at Mid-Ohio in July (that would be FTW since you will be in Indy the first weekend).[/b]
Yup, I won&#39;t get to try out the new track until the end of July this year. I&#39;ve actually been there twice already but I have yet to turn a lap on it.

trd77
05-01-2006, 11:42 PM
Steve, do you have any idea how the entry list looks?

Racerlinn
05-02-2006, 12:01 PM
Sorry, nothing yet beyond round numbers we had last week which included 14 in Group 1 (ITB and C) and 18 in Group 3 (ITS and A).
I don&#39;t have anything that would include the typical giant load we receive the Monday before an event.

R2 Racing
05-03-2006, 10:29 AM
I don&#39;t have anything that would include the typical giant load we receive the Monday before an event.
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Anything yet? :P

Weather looks dry and sunny, but a bit cold. I&#39;ll take it!

R2 Racing
05-04-2006, 09:23 AM
Friday, May 5th: Mostly Cloudy, 66°/45°, 10%

Saturday, May 6th: Sunny, 63°/44°, 10%

Sunday, May 7th: Sunny, 67°/48°, 20%

:023:

Prophet
05-04-2006, 10:25 AM
Nervously waiting for Saturday morning practice. Getting the car aligned today and packed. Its as ready as it will ever be.

-JD-

R2 Racing
05-05-2006, 07:33 AM
Leaving in a minute so we can catch the afternoon test sessions.

Steve, if you read this today, could you please call me at 614-214-0792. I think I may have a favor to ask from you. Thanks.

Racerlinn
05-08-2006, 10:48 AM
Kevin, sorry, just now reading this, did you ask me the favor?

Thanks to all that came out and raced. Great to see everyone.

Kevin&#39;s car is faster than ever and the son-of-a-gun not only won the ITA races both days but managed a new track record even though he backed the car into the T9 tirewall during Sunday&#39;s race! Needless to say the corner workers awarded him the hard charger award on Sunday.

There should be a whole lot of pictures posted up on the indyscca.org website by weeks end.

R2 Racing
05-08-2006, 02:42 PM
Kevin, sorry, just now reading this, did you ask me the favor?

Thanks to all that came out and raced. Great to see everyone.

Kevin&#39;s car is faster than ever and the son-of-a-gun not only won the ITA races both days but managed a new track record even though he backed the car into the T9 tirewall during Sunday&#39;s race! Needless to say the corner workers awarded him the hard charger award on Sunday.

There should be a whole lot of pictures posted up on the indyscca.org website by weeks end.
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It all got sorted out so don&#39;t worry about it. I couldn&#39;t find my SCCA membership/license upon leaving Friday morning and just needed someone who had access to a fax machine that could accept a fax from the SCCA offices showing that I was legal to race. Luckily during the test day on Friday, I was able to get a really nice lady in the IRP main office to help me out. She waited for my fax, called me to tell me she got it, and I went over and picked it up. :023:

Old record: 1:50.5 (mine from last year)
New record: 1:49.3

The video of me backing into the tirewall is pretty good. That was a heck of a hit and I&#39;m shocked that it didn&#39;t do any real damage to my car. Luckily I still had 12 laps to make my way back up through the field. I&#39;m still kicking myself though for making a couple of stupid, mental mistakes this weekend. I blame the six month off season. :P I loved how the girl handing out the awards Sunday afternoon awarded me the Hard Charger Award. "Yea, and you won the Hard Charger Award too. Apparently you qualified on the poll, ran hard into a tirewall, had the whole field pass you, and still came back to win."

But once again, more awesome weather at this event, a good dinner Saturday night, and some of the best trophy&#39;s of any race, anywhere. I really don&#39;t know why more people don&#39;t do this event.

C. Ludwig
05-08-2006, 09:13 PM
So I wasn&#39;t the only one that sat on the pole and stuffed the car into a wall? I feel better now. Unfortunately my ride didn&#39;t hit soft and fluffy tires. :wacko:

Racerlinn
05-09-2006, 09:48 AM
I loved how the girl handing out the awards Sunday afternoon awarded me the Hard Charger Award. "Yea, and you won the Hard Charger Award too. Apparently you qualified on the poll, ran hard into a tirewall, had the whole field pass you, and still came back to win."
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Well, she didn&#39;t award it to you, the corner workers did after you massacered us after your shunt.
That video was pretty amazing.
Vicky is Pete Hylton&#39;s daughter and is also a racer (SRF). She&#39;s having some medical problems so she could not race this weekend.
Yes, it was a big disappointment that the car count was low. Our only guess at this point is that $3.00 gas is impacting folks pretty hard. It will be intersting to see what car counts are like at events this summer.

R2 Racing
05-09-2006, 04:10 PM
Yes, it was a big disappointment that the car count was low. Our only guess at this point is that $3.00 gas is impacting folks pretty hard. It will be intersting to see what car counts are like at events this summer.
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Well, I can say that the $175 worth of gas I put into the RV on the way home hurt a lot. That was even at only $2.66 a gallon.

Steve, I was watching my in car camera from Sunday&#39;s race and do you realize that when I caught up to the back of you and Matt coming out of turn 15, you pulled about 3-4 car lengths on me down the front straight before turn 1? Especially once I hit 5th gear, you rocketed away from me. Damn SR20&#39;s... ;)

Chris, where you piloting one of the Miata&#39;s that came in with about 7" of toe out in the rear? Was that from turn 15?

paulydee
05-09-2006, 04:32 PM
Steve, I was watching my in car camera from Sunday&#39;s race and do you realize that when I caught up to the back of you and Matt coming out of turn 15, you pulled about 3-4 car lengths on me down the front straight before turn 1? Especially once I hit 5th gear, you rocketed away from me. Damn SR20&#39;s... ;)
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I am wondering the same thing myself. Getting pulled handily by an ITA Sentra makes me wonder <_<

Makes it tough to get passed a non-class car. :bash_1_:


It must be that my car had a bad set of plugs in it.....

ITS51RX7
05-09-2006, 08:29 PM
Paul,
I thought everyone knew that RED cars just look faster :D ---- except when they put a wheel off at the exit of turn five and bad things start to happen quickly!!! I rolled it off the trailer , stuck it in the garage and shut the door. :(

Sorry if I screwed up the flow of the race with the full course yellow.

Anyone have a rust free, 2nd Gen RX-7 roller they need to unload.

R2 Racing
05-10-2006, 08:19 AM
I am wondering the same thing myself. Getting pulled handily by an ITA Sentra makes me wonder <_< [/b]
:lol: I&#39;m not implying in any way that there&#39;s anything illegal about it, just pointing out that those SR20&#39;s are freaking torque monsters, even when stock. Last year at the ARRC, a fully built SR20 showed up that would solidly whoop my ass down the straights every lap. It&#39;s quite awe-inspiring to watch. Kind of like watching the Doyle&#39;s hit the straights in their ITS TR8&#39;s - vroooooom!

Michael, I&#39;m glad to see that you&#39;re ok. I didn&#39;t see the accident but it looked like it was a pretty serious hit. I heard later in the day that you were seen up walking around the paddock afterwards, which was a little relieving. I&#39;m sorry about the car, but I think I can speak for everyone when I say it&#39;s great to see you were ok. :023: How hard is it to find those RX-7 tubs?

C. Ludwig
05-10-2006, 09:37 AM
Chris, where you piloting one of the Miata&#39;s that came in with about 7" of toe out in the rear? Was that from turn 15?
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Yeah. Mine was the red one. Upper and lower control arm bent. Knuckle broken. Subframe bent. Motor mount broken. Wheel broken. And two tires torn up. Fortunately the car owner had enough of a sense of humor about the whole thing to call me Monday and tell me IRP had sent him a bill to repaint the wall "you tried to knock down".


And $3/gal of gas had a LOT to do with my car being parked this year. I said last year if it went over $2.50 I&#39;d park the car. I finished out the year but won&#39;t get it out this year. Unfortunately where the economy is headed as the result of those gas prices doesn&#39;t make the future look too bright for fivolous and expensive activities like racing.

ITS51RX7
05-10-2006, 04:56 PM
Kevin,
I was glad one of my off season purchase&#39;s was a HAN&#39;s device, I was a little sore but nothing to complain about. I should be able to pick a tub fairly cheap, just a whole lot of labor moving everything over.

I was crewing on Sunday for my brother ( group 4 ) , I came down early to the grid to watch the ITS- ITA race. I have to say that it was entertaining to watch the orange Acura move back to the front after your off at T9. :happy204:

Paul,
I just seen the results for Sunday&#39;s race, The one BMW that ran ITS was almost 2 seconds quicker than last year. It does not look like the SIR slowed them down any.

paulydee
05-10-2006, 08:15 PM
I am still sceptical about Chris&#39;s drop in lap times from Qual to Race. He dropped 3 seconds. Selby must have given him some good advice or something else shaddy was going on :D

R2 Racing
05-10-2006, 10:08 PM
Kevin,
I was glad one of my off season purchase&#39;s was a HAN&#39;s device, I was a little sore but nothing to complain about. I should be able to pick a tub fairly cheap, just a whole lot of labor moving everything over.

I was crewing on Sunday for my brother ( group 4 ) , I came down early to the grid to watch the ITS- ITA race. I have to say that it was entertaining to watch the orange Acura move back to the front after your off at T9. :happy204: [/b]
I really need to stop fooling around and get a H&N restraint system. Luckily my hit was into a nice, soft tirewall...and backwards. :D I&#39;m glad my race was entertaining for the crowd, but I&#39;m still doing this :bash_1_: over it.

Racerlinn
05-11-2006, 11:59 AM
:lol: I&#39;m not implying in any way that there&#39;s anything illegal about it, just pointing out that those SR20&#39;s are freaking torque monsters, even when stock. Last year at the ARRC, a fully built SR20 showed up that would solidly whoop my ass down the straights every lap. It&#39;s quite awe-inspiring to watch.
[/b]
Kevin, just think what Greg A. will have up his sleeve this year with his built car. I was pretty surprised at how well the motor ran this weekend considering it&#39;s the original 135k motor and has mismatched rockers and shims on it after I tried to blow it up last year at IRP with a missed shift. The idle and timing was a swag as well as I could not get the car in timing mode and did not have time to have someone with a Consult fix it. Guess I swagged it right, although I kept waiting for it to go poof going into T1 (red line in 4th) and T9 (red line in 3rd). They are damn stout little motors!



Paul,
I thought everyone knew that RED cars just look faster :D ---- except when they put a wheel off at the exit of turn five and bad things start to happen quickly!!! I rolled it off the trailer , stuck it in the garage and shut the door. :(

Sorry if I screwed up the flow of the race with the full course yellow.

Anyone have a rust free, 2nd Gen RX-7 roller they need to unload.
[/b]

Michael, I was glad to see you walking to the ambulance when I cam back by the first time. I was following you and got to watch the whole thing as I came around T5. Glad the car didn&#39;t climb the wall any more than it did and VERY happy it didn&#39;t come back across the track in front of me. Caught the end of it and the giant dust/debris cloud on the in-car video. Once I get my PC set back up at home (moving in to a new house right now) I&#39;ll post it up for you to see. Ian Linn called me from Florida last night to lament the passing of the car. :(

R2 Racing
05-11-2006, 04:51 PM
Kevin, just think what Greg A. will have up his sleeve this year with his built car.[/b]
Believe me, in a straight line, he was pleanty "built" in that department last year. I know he&#39;s throwing a lot of suspension at the car this year and if he gets it to handle anywhere close to my car, we&#39;re all in big, big trouble. I&#39;m still going to try my best though to act like this guy in November ---> :smilie_pokal:


They are damn stout little motors![/b]
Well, they are freaking truck engines, after all.

downingracing
05-12-2006, 09:49 AM
Great weekend and good running with everyone! Looking forward to Grattan at the end of the month. If I can figure out this qualifying thing, it should be a good time. But starting way back is fun too! And nothing gets you motivated like seeing :018: coming from the car you&#39;re trying to pass... :P

Racerlinn
05-12-2006, 10:48 AM
Great weekend and good running with everyone! Looking forward to Grattan at the end of the month. If I can figure out this qualifying thing, it should be a good time. But starting way back is fun too! And nothing gets you motivated like seeing :018: coming from the car you&#39;re trying to pass... :P
[/b]

Oh, you are just not going to get over that are you!!! :P
I&#39;m so glad I did that!
Now it&#39;s a tradition. Expect more. Here&#39;s one to tide you over:
:018:

Racerlinn
05-12-2006, 11:02 AM
Results as well as LOTS of pic now available at www.indyscca.org
(Great one of Ian sideways thru T4)

Can we have a contest to see who&#39;s car leans more on it&#39;s crappy suspension?
http://www.indyscca.org/photos/Race/2006/ssprints/Sun/dr3/images/7Race%203j_JPG.jpg

iagreen
05-12-2006, 11:57 AM
Sweet. I should post the video of the slide.

ITS51RX7
05-14-2006, 08:56 AM
Caught the end of it and the giant dust/debris cloud on the in-car video. Once I get my PC set back up at home (moving in to a new house right now) I&#39;ll post it up for you to see. Ian Linn called me from Florida last night to lament the passing of the car.[/b]


Steve,
When you get the video on your computer please send me a link , Thanks

R2 Racing
05-15-2006, 10:29 PM
Can we have a contest to see who&#39;s car leans more on it&#39;s crappy suspension?
http://www.indyscca.org/photos/Race/2006/ssprints/Sun/dr3/images/7Race%203j_JPG.jpg
[/b]
Ok, I have to say that I really did physically "laugh out loud" to that! :D

Also, Steve, it&#39;s ok, I&#39;ve finger waived people before too. :023:

I&#39;ll go over and check out the rest of the pics now...

R2 Racing
05-15-2006, 10:42 PM
That&#39;s awesome! Ian Green, future Japanese dorifto star!
http://www.indyscca.org/photos/Race/2006/ssprints/jww/sat_grp3Race/images/ITA%2099jh_JPG.jpg

downingracing
05-16-2006, 07:27 AM
Ok, I have to say that I really did physically "laugh out loud" to that! :D

Also, Steve, it&#39;s ok, I&#39;ve finger waived people before too. :023:

I&#39;ll go over and check out the rest of the pics now...
[/b]

No, No, No... We were just running the &#39;rain&#39; setup! Our cars are just big boned! It was a bad camera angle! :P

Racerlinn
05-16-2006, 09:18 AM
No, No, No... We were just running the &#39;rain&#39; setup! Our cars are just big boned! It was a bad camera angle! :P
[/b]

I think I can see you lighting up a smoke thru the windshield.
Must be hard for you to not drop your lighter at the apex...
:P

Racerlinn
06-11-2006, 07:11 PM
Steve,
When you get the video on your computer please send me a link , Thanks
[/b]

Try this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3327084428034862071

Racerlinn
06-11-2006, 07:21 PM
Great weekend and good running with everyone! Looking forward to Grattan at the end of the month. If I can figure out this qualifying thing, it should be a good time. But starting way back is fun too! And nothing gets you motivated like seeing :018: coming from the car you&#39;re trying to pass... :P
[/b]

Matt, here&#39;s a video that you probably wish did not exist.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1571531869252388451
"Where&#39;s the apex?"

And the wag...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4110796909284068108

downingracing
06-12-2006, 10:47 AM
Yea - nice video! That guy in the Civic needs to go back to drivers school!!!!! Nice line into T1! :bash_1_:

Looking forward to Mid-Ohio and you can be sure that if I&#39;m in front of you (at any point), you will be getting the :018: right back at ya! Either way, I&#39;ll have a :birra: for you guys on Friday night - come and find me in the grass!

paulydee
06-12-2006, 07:48 PM
I don&#39;t know about you guys but this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6013609103179396784

is the most blantant violation of start protocal that I have ever seen on the yellow TR8.

Come on Andy, it&#39;s bad enough you can blow everyone away on only horsepower but making a third lane
before the start is a bit much don&#39;t you think :rolleyes:

Makes it a lot easier to get to the front of the field at the drop of the green flag doesn&#39;t it?

trd771
06-12-2006, 11:03 PM
paul, I talked to the steward about the start. The reason I moved over was because I thought I might be loosing a clutch. I was concerned that at the start if I went to shift up a gear and loose my clutch people would run into the back of me. I would rather take the chance of being blacked flag or seeing the steward than causing a accident at the start. I was also right about the clutch. I lost it in turn 2 and could only run in 4th and 5th. As I also explained to the steward, when I moved over I did not move up to pass but help my position to until the green. I had also expressed my concerns to some other racers prior to start. The steward agreed that it was acceptable do to the fact of mechanical problem. However, I must admit he did not check with you. Also you mentioned that it is only becaue of horsepower that a can beat people. Well, it is actualy torque. Many ITS cars have more horspower. If thats the only reason I beat you, with only 4th and 5th gear and no clutch might I add, than maybe you should switch cars. However, would have to point out the the winning car is the same as yours, and if I were you, I would be asking why I was 6 seconds behind him

paulydee
06-12-2006, 11:23 PM
However, would have to point out the the winning car is the same as yours, and if I were you, I would be asking why I was 6 seconds behind him
[/b]


Trust me Andy, I ask myself that everytime I get in the car. I have found that guys with unlimited budgets
and 30 years racing experience (Tim Selby) go a long way to making for better track position and lower lap times. My three years have got me this far but I know that I have a long way to go. Every race is a learning experience for me.

Your mechanical problems aside (which I didn&#39;t know about), the video poses a negative point of view. Your second place finish didn&#39;t seem to be hindered by your clutch issue. Go figure.

I was obviously misguided in my perception on the video. I guess I will have a pint of STFU and concentrate on my driving from now on. Cheers

<_<

R2 Racing
06-12-2006, 11:42 PM
I knew about Andy&#39;s car issues before the race (I mean come on, it&#39;s British! :P ). I don&#39;t have a problem with the way he started, in light of the problems with the car. He didn&#39;t jump the start or anything, yet still even flew by my ass into turn 1 - at least it sounds good when it does. It&#39;s got a Ford V-8 in it so it&#39;s straight line speed shouldn&#39;t be a surprise to anyone. Also remember that the Doyle&#39;s have been racing TR8&#39;s for yeeeeears. But, the only reason it was ever even classed in ITS with that huge engine and torque is because everyone and their brother knows that no one will ever make one handle or brake.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("paulydee")</div>
I guess I will have a pint of STFU and concentrate on my driving from now on.[/b]
If I ever write a book on how to make a racecar faster, "Shut up and drive!" will be Chapter 1. Recognizing the differences from one car versus another, one driver versus another, is all part of the game. Pauly, remember what I said, and race accordingly. :023:

trd771
06-13-2006, 12:06 AM
Paul, I did have mechanical problems, the clutch slave is some where out on the track still. I was please to still get a 2nd only using 4th and 5th. The clutch was a legit problem, thus the reason I had to be towed to impound from the pit lane. Did I know I was running a risk of being called out by the steward for moving over, yes. I would rather have that, than a mess at the start. IRP has such a wide straight, I felt that if I had to I could pull over out of the way at start. Had I been on the otherside at the start were it is tighter at the start, I probably would have pulled over on the pace lap and started at the back.

JeffYoung
06-13-2006, 03:43 AM
I race one (a TR8). Cars handle just fine. Braking is an issue. Buick/Rover V8 by the way, with LESS stock hp than an SR20 (135). Andy is right, the torque is the car&#39;s advantage.

I can pull most anyone from corner exit to the about 1500 ft. If the straight is longer than that, the hp and aero advantage the BMWs and the RX7s have take over. Andy can tell you the same thing I am sure.

There is NOTHING like a full prep (Bimmerworld, Sunbelt) 325is motor. NOTHING. Those cars pull me 10-15 car lengths OR MORE on the long straights at VIR.

JeffYoung
06-13-2006, 04:14 AM
And I am also going to say after watching that video several times, that it looks to me Andy did nothing wrong. He didn&#39;t hit the gas until the green -- passing that many cars at the start is possible due to torque. If he was off line like that for a reason, I would think that it&#39;s ok so long as there was no start jumping and it sure did not look like there was to me.

R2 Racing
06-13-2006, 06:53 AM
Buick/Rover V8 by the way[/b]
Whoops, my bad.

Racerlinn
06-13-2006, 09:19 AM
I was rather perplexed as to what Andy was doing on that start as well. Andy, you probably should have told the guy that was starting right behind you about any mechanical issues. When I saw who I was starting behind, I knew where I was going to be going - right behind you.

Would anyone like to comment on the actions of the Blue ITS BMW during Mr. Flocks encounter with the wall after T5? It&#39;s difficult to see on the Google version of the vid, but the corner worker at T5 drivers-left does throw the yellow flag. I saw it just as I came thru the corner. The Blue Bimmer was in-line behind me. I was rather dismayed that he choose to race past me between Mike&#39;s crashing (grinding?) car and myself. I had to soft pedal it when I caught up to the red Bimmer that was in front of me as the blue one was fully up beside me and I figured the red one would move left (and he did).
Did he time it right that he passed AFTER the scene (a rolling one at that) of the accident? Yeah, probably.
But I did not think it was a safe move.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3327084428034862071

Andy Bettencourt
06-13-2006, 09:32 AM
This is an interesting topic (the start of the TR8) and the starts of races are so different (and important) every race I try and learn whenever I can. For one, the car should have been black flagged and a stop and go applied. I wonder all the time what goes through stewards heads during the decision making process on wave-offs vs. black flags.

Secondly, if the issue was one of such concern, starting from the back of the grid would have been the &#39;safest&#39; solution or not even taking the green.

The BEST solution in my mind would have been to inform ALL your competitors in the run group. Without any knowledge of what you were doing, drivers have no idea what to expect. I personally would have thought you were yeilding to everyone else as you had a known mechanical and I would have made racing moves based on that assumption - only driven by your positioning that has no good explanation for. You at least owe it to your competitoirs to inform them - because some (like Paul) think it was an advantage.

I also believe 100% that the TR8 got ZERO advantage from that move (because he could have just as easily popped out at the green and taken the exact same line. The only issue is that you technically &#39;blocked&#39; that slot for others who may or may not have gotten a run on the pack.

Bottom line for me? The motivation was pure, no advantage was gained and the final results were not tainted. HOWEVER, why would the stewards allow a start like that without a wave or a penalty to the TR8? It makes no sense to me.

paulydee
06-13-2006, 03:44 PM
Andy B. I am glad you chimed in as a voice of reason. That was a very concise point of view.
Thanks for coming to visit the MidWest Forum for a logical and level headed post.

Racerlinn
06-14-2006, 08:31 AM
And it appears we may have to change the title of this particular thread to &#39;Is it ORP time yet?"
Looks like the NHRA has to decided to follow the crowd and is selling the naming rights to the facility to O&#39;Reily Auto Parts.
Thus, we will have O&#39;Reily Raceway Park. Maybe that should be "ORRP"?
ick. :wacko:

Marc Henry
06-14-2006, 09:54 AM
As I was working in the starters stand for this weekend, we did see that the TR8 was out of line at the start. We called it in as soon as race control called for held calls. The steward asked us to write up the incident, and we did. As a competetor myself, I personally would like to see at least, a drive thru penalty on anyone that improves their position or out of line, before the green flag is displayed. It would show me that the stewards know about the infraction, and have taken action.

Drew Aldred
06-14-2006, 10:42 AM
At every driver&#39;s meeting I&#39;ve been to the last few years, the start is always the main topic. Anyone getting out of line from the car in front can expect a stop and go penalty. Not sure why the TR8 wasn&#39;t given some type of penalty as he was way out of line before the green.

A known problem with the clutch should have started at the back to avoid any possible problems balking the start.

R2 Racing
06-14-2006, 12:42 PM
Thus, we will have O&#39;Reily Raceway Park. Maybe that should be "ORRP"?[/b]
O&#39;RRP? Hmmm, being O&#39;Reily Raceway Park, I might have to get super drunk at the Saturday night party and start a fight with someone. :D



(Disclaimer: If you&#39;re of Irish decent and took offense to that comment, save it and lighten up, because so am I. :023: )

Racerlinn
06-14-2006, 12:46 PM
O&#39;RRP? Hmmm, being O&#39;Reily Raceway Park, I might have to get super drunk at the Saturday night party and start a fight with someone. :D
(Disclaimer: If you&#39;re of Irish decent and took offense to that comment, save it and lighten up, because so am I. :023: )
[/b]

Oh great, now I gotta hire bouncers for the fall Double Regional to keep the Ruck family in line.....
:birra:

iagreen
06-14-2006, 10:02 PM
Since I now know about the cool google.video that Steve is using, and since there is no reason to let a thread about a race a month ago die, I&#39;ll add my video from to accompany the pic on page 4.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8246213790856962445

Bob Burns
06-22-2006, 12:11 PM
Would anyone like to comment on the actions of the Blue ITS BMW during Mr. Flocks encounter with the wall after T5?[/b]
Unsafe? Maybe. The backstraight at IRP is a scary place. Concrete on one side and a chain-link fence on the other. And at the end is a turn that can either make or break your race. I never felt comfortable racing down the backstraight at IRP.

But, if he timed the pass until after the incident, it was a perfectly legal pass under our current rules.

The interesting aside here is that if we had FIA flag rules, which some folks have proposed for SCCA Club Racing, the track would have been yellow until the first green flag, which would have been at Turn 6. Therein lies the fodder for an interesting debate. Would the the FIA flag rules have made this situation safer? Or would it have taken away a prime opportunity for the guy in the blue BMW to take advantage of a situation?

As for start penalties, we stewards debate this ad nauseum. If you do a stop and go penalty, you provide instant feedback to the offending driver that you don&#39;t like jumped starts and you provide instant gratification to the other drivers in the field who might feel wronged by the jumped start. On the other hand, in sprint races like we typically run, a stop and go takes away a guy&#39;s race.

I&#39;m sure Andy was much happier with the outcome in this situation than the alternative of being black-flagged for a stop and go. And if Andy was really in the wrong and the Chief Steward chose to take some action after the race, the guidelines from our Executive Stewars say the minimum penalty is 1 position in class. Would Pauly and the rest of the guys in ITS been satisifed with that?

Personally, I&#39;m not in favor of stop and go penalties. I&#39;d rather sort things out after the race.

Bob Burns
13 years as an SCCA Club Racing Steward
3 years as an SCCA Runoffs Operating Steward

paulydee
06-22-2006, 02:33 PM
And if Andy was really in the wrong and the Chief Steward chose to take some action after the race, the guidelines from our Executive Stewars say the minimum penalty is 1 position in class. Would Pauly and the rest of the guys in ITS been satisifed with that?
[/b]

Thanks for the comments here Bob. It was good to get a stewards perspective.

I have opted not to comment further on the subject because I know no good will come of it. :rolleyes: