Number Reservation

[MMiskoe]

Anyone know details on reserving numbers for '06? I emailed NER registrar and got no response, haven't seen anything on the NER page, but that doesn't mean I didn't miss it.

Thanks

[dickita15]

Narrc/ Nerrc and NE div nationals are handled by
Marianne Lyons "nediv.points(at)charter.net"

[Greg Amy]

My guess is that she's probably not ready to deal with this until after the first. It's no doubt a frustrating exercise in futility, trying to make all (or any?) competitors happy...

She usually makes a call for numbers in January; I'd certainly wait until after New Year's before bothering her...she will appreciate it... - GA

[dickita15]

actually greg if you are renewing you need to do it now. there was a delay in starting as the groups were reworked this year.
there is a post on the scca site. dave must be busy he usually posts here as well.

[emwavey]

Thanks for the info guys. :023:

[MMiskoe]

Thanks.

I remembered it going on before the new year, which is why I was surprised I hadn't heard of it yet.

Does the change in classes mean that ITS will not be running w/ ITB anymore? Back to ITS/AS/ITE?

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by MMiskoe@Dec 14 2005, 11:28 AM
Thanks.

I remembered it going on before the new year, which is why I was surprised I hadn't heard of it yet.

Does the change in classes mean that ITS will not be running w/ ITB anymore? Back to ITS/AS/ITE?

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Nope - from what I understand:

SSM and SM will get split

SSM to run with ITC
SM to run with SSB and SSC
ITS to run with ITB
ITA to run with 'small bore'...(exact defintion I do not know)

AB

[dpc]

Gee, I heard that ITA was going to run with ITS???????? love dave, Hi dick.

[RSTPerformance]

mistake, sorry...

[MMiskoe]

Andy - does small bore mean you'll be running w/ formula Vees & F500s or w/ legends, baby-grands & 7/8 pro-stocks?

More likely the smaller bore production & GT classes (HP, GP, GT3,4,5)? Just guessing. The other SM changes were run at least once that way this past season.

[dickita15]

Ok I will probably regret posting this but the Regions that run at lime rock are trying to get some consistency in the race program between regions. The goal is that as a racer you will not see a large difference between weekends no mater what region happens to be putting on the event. We are trying to have the race groups and the supps pretty much the same every time we go there. We also have looked at participation numbers in different classes and which way they are trending.

There is also an effort to reduce the number of race group to the lowest number
possible. We cannot do much to lower the cost to race at LRP but if we can
reduce the number of groups we can at least give drivers the most track time
possible for the money.

There is no central authority so negotiating this is not easy. A draft of race
groups have been proposed that would get us to 8 groups. The number person
is going to use this grouping this year even thought the regions have not
formally adopted it yet. This effort is for regional only. If we get this done we
will talk about nationals later. The proposed groups are


Slow Formula: FV, F5, Club Ford, Narrc Club Ford
Fast Formula: All the rest and all the sports racers, except SRF
SRF: SRF and SPU
SSM: SSM and ITC
Small Bore and ITA: F, G, HP, T2, T3, and ITA
Big Bore: GT*, T1, AS, EP, SPO, ITE
SM and SS: SM, SSB, SSC
ITS, B: Well, ITS and ITB.

An added benefit of standard groups is we can agree to rotate the order so some classes don’t always run first or last.

These grouping are Lime Rock only. My guess is NHIS groups will be decided in January based on analysis of participation numbers there.

[dickita15]

Originally posted by dpc@Dec 14 2005, 06:49 PM
Gee, I heard that ITA was going to run with ITS???????? love dave, Hi dick.

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Gee dave good to hear from you. I was not expecting it as I had not typed the M word :D

merry christmas

[ulfelder]

:023: to the regions for seeking run-group consistency - a great example of customer focus.

Steve U
05 ITS

[benspeed]

:023: I second Mr. Ulfelder and commend those who seek to create a consistent racing experience across the different tracks.

[p99ro]

Hi happy Snow then rain.
ITA runs fine with ITC.
ITS is a large group up to 20-30
ITA Ia A large group. Then we will have no room to run. Speeds now days are close front & middle will be in each other`s :119: way. ITB is a great companion for ITS.
Thats my 2 cents or with inflation 19cents. :023:
Scott ITA CRXsi 07 NER. Hope to run a few more NER events this year.

[JLawton]

Just my personal thoughts.....

I thought ITB and ITS ran well together. As an ITBer, I didn't like running with the small bore Prod cars at the NARRC. Fast on the straights, slow in the corners........with some "interesting" lines.

However, I'm all for equal sized run groups, more track time and any attempt to improve things!!

[RKramden]

Well, here is an update. (Finally) We were (are) "backed up", and things on the home front have been rather busy.

As Dick said, while we normally start doing numbers on November 1st, we had to wait two weeks until after the NEDIV meeting. In that time, we had maybe 150 to 200 requests for numbers pile up (NARRC and Nationals).

We always start on November 1st, so if you forgot, or were wating for some notice, don't expect any sympathy. If Ken Payson and Peter Andregehtti both can remember to call on November 1st every year, then so can you. It's been the same for maybe 10 years. If you have been there before, you knew the rules, if you are new, you have to wait until January 1st in any case.

Put a note in your 2006 calendar for next year as well.

Marianne asked that I not post until we got dug out from all the mail in the inbox.

Groups are changed for the year, and Dick has it (almost) right.

Slow Formula: FV, F500, Narrc/Club Ford
Fast Formula: Everything else and the Sports Racers
Sports Renault and SPU
ITC and SSM
ITA, FP, GP, HP and T2 (NOT EP)
SM, SSB, SSC, T3
ITS, ITB
Big Bore: *GT*, T1, AS, EP, ITE, SPO

This year, we are holding numbers from the previous year until January 1st, last year it was December 1st, due to some driver feedback. And, we added two weeks to the end, we will take requests until the Ides of March.

While ITB ends up with "Smaller bore", there isn't really much choice. We need to have the race groups almost full to get the most track time for each driver, and look at reasonable mixes, and try to be fair to everyone at the same time, while not going over the magic "25 per mile", so people don't get bumped. It isn't always nice, and it's like engineering, a compromise at best. The formula guys are whining about Fords in with Atlantics, and their speed differences and cornering speeds are way off, but there is no way to justify three full formula groups. (Sports Renault doesn't count as a formula car group.) They got squished to just two, and the GT and Production guys got a shuffle as well so the IT and SM guys could have another group!

IT and SM have half the groups, and they deserve it, as they are about half the entry.

Laurie Sheppard came up with this list, and did the homework of looking at every race group for every race to get the real car counts from last year. IMHO, she did a really good job.

If things don't change too drastically, it will work out well. If some race gets more of some class, then the regions have some room to shift a class or two, or (I hope not) split the group. I don't like splits, because it A: makes for a long worker day, B: takes away track time (practice and qualifying) from all the drivers. "Track Time is King".

We will be at the NER meeting in January, the NEDIV meeting in February, and if you did well in NARRC this year, we might deliver your trophy.

----

The bus is leaving now, see you later.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by RKramden@Dec 18 2005, 09:58 AM
Groups are changed for the year, and Dick has it (almost) right.

Slow Formula: FV, F500, Narrc/Club Ford
Fast Formula: Everything else and the Sports Racers
Sports Renault and SPU
ITC and SSM
ITA, FP, GP, HP and T2 (NOT EP)
SM, SSB, SSC, T3
ITS, ITB
Big Bore: *GT*, T1, AS, EP, ITE, SPO

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What did Dick have wrong? I can't see it...

AB

[Tkczecheredflag]

ITC and ZOOM ZOOM. I better start working on my back up car now. We raced with them this year - a few "cowboys" in SSM indeed. One SSM family that has stated "racing is intended to be a contact sport". Oh well - looks like we'll need a little "giddy up" for sure.
Happy Holidays!

[dickita15]

Originally posted by Andy Bettencourt@Dec 18 2005, 06:05 PM
What did Dick have wrong? I can't see it...

AB

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look likes I got T3 wrong. <_<

I sure hope that guy is not mad :lol:

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by dickita15@Dec 18 2005, 06:03 PM
look likes I got T3 wrong. <_<

I sure hope that guy is not mad :lol:

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[lateapex911]

See why Dickita is so much fun around the track Andy?

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by lateapex911@Dec 18 2005, 09:05 PM
See why Dickita is so much fun around the track Andy?

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ITA is gonna be soooo much fun next year...

[dpc]

Dicksm/ssm has always been the fun one around the track. Happy Holidays everyone. dave

[Greg Amy]

Originally posted by RKramden@Dec 18 2005, 09:58 AM
We always start on November 1st, so if you forgot, or were wating for some notice, don&#39;t expect any sympathy...
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Dave, didn&#39;t know that, so impossible to remember. Has that ever been published? Matters not, I know it now.

I don&#39;t envy Marianne&#39;s (and your?) job or sorting this out...thanks! - Greg

(Not-directed-at-Dave-and-Marianne P.S.: I dislike how these National drivers are sucking up reserved numbers for the ITA/FP/GP/HP/T2 et al group. I reviewed the results from last year and *very few* of them ever showed up to a Regional event but they snatch up the numbers for the real Regional racers? In fact, the FP guy that has the number I used in ITA last year *never* showed up to any NER Regional listed on mylaps.com. One T2 guy reserved a number wanted by an ITA competitor so he&#39;d be the same as the BMW Club if/when he drives SCCA! That&#39;s just not right. I suggest that the Regional classes should get first dibs on Regional numbers and the National kids can use duct tape on their cars for the one or two times they show up...)

[RKramden]

Long private reply sent to Greg, here is the bottom line:

If you want the rules changed, then talk to your represenitive on the NARRC committee. It won&#39;t change this year, but it can have an effect on next year.

But, you may end up having to send your request by mail (no e-mail or phone calls allowed), and to get the number you may have to pay a fee.

The numbers are done to help the drivers. If you want it changed, then ask and get enough people to agree with you. You can have what you want, but be careful what you ask for, as you just may get it.

And Greg,

Thanks for the offer to take over doing numbers. :P

[Greg Amy]

Originally posted by RKramden@Dec 22 2005, 08:59 PM
Thanks for the offer to take over doing numbers. :P

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Hah, your ass! I&#39;d be kicked out of this organization, oh, about 15 milliseconds after the first one of you (me?) bitched and moaned!!! You guys have the patience of saints, and don&#39;t think we don&#39;t appreciate it. - GA

[jrem72]

Greg,
Don&#39;t know you but I am the guy who reserved my number. Sorry but I did exactly what I was supposed to do which was request the same number I had last year. I certainly have had problems with numbers when groups are changed in the past as we all have. When groups are changed this happens. And yes I did keep the same number, why, because I race the car in two different associations and had to request both at the same time. Don&#39;t really want to change everytime I race in a different associatin. The number request this year will be difficult with the groups changing and sorry if you got caught in the change.

And by the way we all are members of SCCA whether we race Natinals, Regionals or both.

I checked the results for ITA last year and couldn&#39;t find anyone with #34? Can&#39;t really see that I have someone&#39;s number??
Best of luck in 06.
JR

[Greg Amy]

JR, my number last year was #33. We added a team car this year which coincidentally had #34 on it since 1999, a number which we found out was not used last year in ITA. Seemed like everything was going to work out easy for us for &#39;06.

Well, due to not knowing about having to reserve numbers so early (fine: we didn&#39;t know the process, our bad), a primarily-National-class F Production car snagged my #33 that I ran last year in ITA and you in a primarily-National-class T2 car snagged the #34 that we were going to put on the sister ITA car, all for a primarily-Regional-class series. My stated "concern" is in regards to someone that reserves a number with the "possibilty" that they "may" show up to race once in a while and are worried about being inconvenienced that one or two times, taking away numbers from the series&#39; consistent regular competitors.

Hey, it&#39;s first-come, first-served and in the end we&#39;re talking about thirty bucks in vinyl. Further, I&#39;m the last person to have any superstitions about specific numbers (after nearly 20 years of racing, I&#39;ve had just about every one of them anyway, even "unlucky" ones...) Bottom line, if you or anyone else who reserves a number for Regional racing actually show up to race, then no one - including me - can or should have any concerns, gripes, or complaints.

Looking forward to seeing you out there.

Greg