Andy, What's Up - You Leaving Us?

[Eagle7]

I see your car's for sale. What are your plans?

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Marty Doane
ITS RX7 #13
CenDiv WMR

[ITSRX7]

The PLAN is to move out of ITS. Our team has 4 RX-7's up here in the NE and one of my team goals was to have multiple drivers winning multiple Regionals/Championships (once this driver gets his act together!)

I figure ITA in a Miata or something RWD. The plan is to fully develop a Miata or 240SX. We are also building a Spec Miata this winter...

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region
www.flatout-motorsports.com

[lateapex911]

Great, Andy, just great! http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/rolleyes.gif At least it's not a Honda.....

http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[ITSRX7]

Come on Jake! I'm just a rookie...nothing to worry about http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region
www.flatout-motorsports.com

[7racing]

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
I figure ITA in a Miata or something RWD. The plan is to fully develop a Miata or 240SX.

AB


Hmmm...a 240sx huh? Seems there is some interest in that car recently......

Jeremy

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
Come on Jake! I'm just a rookie...nothing to worry about http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif

AB




Uh huh.....Just a rookie who won... what, his 2nd race?? Against a solid field?

Nothing to worry about indeed! http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/rolleyes.gif


http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[ITSRX7]

Originally posted by 7racing:
Hmmm...a 240sx huh? Seems there is some interest in that car recently......

Jeremy

Great minds thinking alike I would guess... http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif

Jeremy - hit with an offline e:mail. [email protected]

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region
www.flatout-motorsports.com

[lateapex911]

Andy, I think a guy like you needs something a little more unique...a car that's not so obvious. In another thread you seem to be very knowlegable, so why not take the high road and get yourself a Fiero?? We can call you Andy "Iron Duke" Bettencourt!

http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[dickita15]

jake
i disagree, i think andy should run a car that will likely get weight added by the ITAC.
dick

[ITSRX7]

http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif

Dick - I have added enough weight to MYSELF over the past years to do just that!

No ID for this guy. If I went plastic, it would be a V6!

...dreaming of a Miata with 125rwhp...

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region
www.flatout-motorsports.com

[7racing]

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
...dreaming of a Miata with 125rwhp...



Keep dreaming.....

Jeremy

[This message has been edited by 7racing (edited August 15, 2003).]

[ITA240]

I think he needs a 240sx with about 145 rwhp. But that is only my honest, objective, unbiased opinion.

Jim

(edited for spelling)

[This message has been edited by ITA240 (edited August 15, 2003).]

[Tom Blaney]

Hot damn!!

More honda fodder!!!!!

http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif

[Greg Amy]

The top 3 Miatas were dyno'd last Friday at LRP, all were putting out in the range of 88-90 rwhp. Best I've seen to date on a SM-legal engine is 93-95.

30 more horsepower (+30%) with IT-legal mods is a bit too much to ask for...

[carlos e gutierrez]

test

[carlos e gutierrez]

[quote]Originally posted by 7racing:
[B] Keep dreaming.....

No dream. Very much reality.
125-128 h.p. is presently there in ITA configuration. Yes you have to spend the dollars with Sunbelt to acieve it but
120-125 h.p. is very realistic and relatively affordable with Mike at ISC.
The real issue is overall suspension development and setup, not H.P.
Compare on paper with the fastest Spec Miatas: Take off weight, improve suspension
(shock package, springs, sway bars, camber,etc.) change rear gear,put on Hoosiers, dial it in around the Hoosiers and THEN add 10-12 h.p.
Add it all up together as a package. This should yield approx two seconds per lap advantage on the regular tracks over the fastest Spec Miatas (equal drivers a given), with three seconds per lap on the long tracks (Daytona, Sebring, VIR).
So, if Evans, Fowler, Daniels et al do a 2:41.0 at Sebring, a 2:45.6 at Road Atlanta, a 2:27.0 at Daytona, a 1:25.0 at Roebling, etc., take off 2-3 seconds per lap and you have a very competetive front running ITA Miata. Anywhere.
If ARC or ISC comes up with a funded racer in ITA who can also drive, you will see it.

[ITSRX7]

Originally posted by grega:
The top 3 Miatas were dyno'd last Friday at LRP, all were putting out in the range of 88-90 rwhp. Best I've seen to date on a SM-legal engine is 93-95.

30 more horsepower (+30%) with IT-legal mods is a bit too much to ask for...

Tell that to the Honda guys! 108 stock = 91.8 whp using a CONSERVATIVE 15% drivetrain loss calc...125 at the wheels for a built CRX baby!!!

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region
www.flatout-motorsports.com

[ITSRX7]

Originally posted by ITA240:
I think he needs a 240sx with about 145 rwhp. But that is only my honest, objective, unbiased opinion.

Jim


I HEAR you Jim! Trying to make it happen!

AB


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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region
www.flatout-motorsports.com

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
Tell that to the Honda guys! .....125 at the wheels for a built CRX baby!!!

AB




Yup....and can someone tell me WHY these cars are speced at 2140lbs for a p/wght ratio of 17.12?? Compare that to an RX-7 with the same power (good luck!) and a weight of 2380, for a ratio of over 19.

I wish I had HP numbers on other cars in the class that I could trust, but with two exceptions, I think the CRX has a killer ratio, and has the advantage of light weight to boot.


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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by dickita15:
jake
i disagree, i think andy should run a car that will likely get weight added by the ITAC.
dick


HA! Are you sure you want to do that????What if he changes his mind and does what Kirk says everybody in power always does...use his power to promote his self interests? You really think he's....trustworthy???

http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif


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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[ITSRX7]

This ITA stuff is all smoke and mirrors while I try and "backdoor" my proposal to get the 2nd gen RX-7 down to 2450 min weight...

You da man, Jake! http://Forums.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region
www.flatout-motorsports.com

[Eagle7]

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
This ITA stuff is all smoke and mirrors while I try and "backdoor" my proposal to get the 2nd gen RX-7 down to 2450 min weight...

Works for me, although it might be tough to get there. Do you think that would be enuf to make us competitive with the bimmers?



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Marty Doane
ITS RX7 #13
CenDiv WMR

[dickita15]

Originally posted by lateapex911:

Yup....and can someone tell me WHY these cars are speced at 2140lbs for a p/wght ratio of 17.12??


uh because competiveness has never been guarantyed and wieght setting has always been totaly objective in the past. (wink, nod)

[Chris Wire]

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
This ITA stuff is all smoke and mirrors while I try and "backdoor" my proposal to get the 2nd gen RX-7 down to 2450 min weight...

Now I'm really gonna have to go on a diet!

Dr. Atkins, can you help me up there?

Heck, I haven't seen 160# since high school!



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Chris Wire
Team Wire Racing
ITS Mazda RX7 #35
[email protected]

[dpc]

Andy, we should talk about a 240sx. dave

[7racing]

Originally posted by carlos e gutierrez:
[quote]Originally posted by 7racing:
[B] Keep dreaming.....

No dream. Very much reality.
125-128 h.p. is presently there in ITA configuration.
<snip>


Hey Carlos, thanks for the post. I agree that a Miata could be a fast ITA car. I'm actually helping to build one, and after running in SM, it's less that 1.5 seconds off of the fast ITA times. So, with some motor and suspension work, it should be able to get a lot closer.

Jeremy