Golf Version 3.2

[Knestis]

Here it is - ITB Golf v.3.2

http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/images/mk3.2/new3.2.jpg

We got it towed to Cameron's shop this morning - after handling the paperwork and writing checks totaling a whopping $378 to make it ours.

It's a plain-Jane 1994 OBD1 Golf III, without sunroof, air, central locking, or ABS. Somewhat surprisingly, it does have rear discs. It's straight and, after we charged the battery, it started right up and drove fine.

The gearbox is crunchy (it's a 5-speed), and the hood looks like it opened on the highway at some point. The driver's door was also jimmied but we have spares in stock. (Thanks, Bill!) All in all, a hell of a deal.

The plan is to get it stripped right down, get a Competition Cages jungle gym welded into it, and get it painted (fridge white, of course). Then, we'll either (a) let it hang out as a spare, against damage to Pablo, or (B) finish it as a second car, for rentals or whatever. It might even be available as a second team car for the VIR 13 hours in November, if there is sufficient co-driver interest out there.

If/when we do build it up, it will be an optimized ITB car rather than a compromise, multi-purpose tool like our current ride. We've proven the Project GTI concept, by demonstrating that we can run Regionals "there or thereabouts" with a street-legal car - one that can also rally, hillclimb, and rallycross. Now, we're interested to see what a more pure roadracing version of the Golf III is capable of.

Follow the ongoing fun at http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/build4.php

[Bill Miller]

Looks cool Kirk!!! 5-speed? does that mean you don't need a pedal cluster?

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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608

[dave parker]

Kirk
This must be the "orphan" you were telling me about at the 12 hour. Looks like it will be a fun winter project.
Good Luck.

dave parker
wdcr ITC#97

[Knestis]

That's right, Bill. The paperwork indicated that it was an auto but when it arrived at Cameron's, he called me with the good news.

K

[JamesB]

Thats always good news to find a car that clean for so little.

[vwmann1]

Originally posted by JamesB:

Thats always good news to find a car that clean for so little.

Makes my deal look like I got ripped off http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif

Good luck with the build up.



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Doug Hillmann

[VW16VRacer]

Got a 020 Peloquin for you if intrested......

Jon

Congrads on the 2X the race team.......

[JamesB]

really? I have an 020 in need of a diff.

[Knestis]

I think the next 'box will run a spool. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

K

[Bill Miller]

Originally posted by Knestis:
I think the next 'box will run a spool. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

K

Kirk,

You going for one of those high-falutin' VWMS units???



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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608

[Knestis]

Based on the performance of the KAAZ unit that I got this year, I'm thinking that for a roadrace-only build, I might go back to the future and do the actual no-slip, spool part - that emulates a welded diff. Not spending any money on it this week, though.

K

[Bill Miller]

Kirk,

I did see someone selling a used Quaife on Vortex for $500.

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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608

[Knestis]

Eh. Not a huge Quaiffe fan. The more I think about it, the more I think that the narrower parameters defined by a road course setting make a spool the good answer. I'm understanding now that, regardless of how the car is set up on top of the KAAZ, it's still going to behave differently on the throttle than off. Now, Mark C. or someone will probably point out for me that I shouldn't ever BE off-throttle... http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

K

[VW16VRacer]

Off throttle??? you can do that? You don't also use that pedal between the clutch and the gas pedal? Kirk as Rick said "brakes just slow you down"....

James e-mail me if more information

[email protected]

Jon

[racer_tim]

Kirk, a spool is just a light weight "locked" diff. Yes, you need to drive it a little differently than with an open or a LSD.

Brake in a straight line, downshift or brake for the corner, turn in, and mash the loud pedal.

The car won't turn if your not on the gas.

It does take a little more effort to parallel park, or turn 90 degrees into your paddock spot.

I've been running for years, and apart from the usual maintenance of changing out the front hubs and 1/2 shafts every year, I've only had 1 CV failure in 8+ years of running a "locker". That was an inside CV during a practice / qual session.




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Tim Linerud
San Francisco Region SCCA
#95 GP Wabbit
http://linerud.myvnc.com/racing/index.html

racer_tim @ yahoo dot com

[Knestis]

Originally posted by racer_tim:
Kirk, a spool is just a light weight "locked" diff. ...

Exactly, Grasshopper. Remember that when I first stated playing this game, we had esentially two options - the diff that came in the car (and only a tiny number of them had LSDs), and a welded lump of iron. I've always been OK with the second option.

But don't get me wrong - I think the KAAZ unit is pretty good so far. I'm getting ready for the Rally Tennessee and it will be great on tarmac stages and transits. A spool would be a little too much in that situation.

K

[This message has been edited by Knestis (edited July 02, 2005).]

[racer_tim]

http://www.bildon.com/catalog/DetailsList....R.498.100&Nav=5 (http://www.bildon.com/catalog/DetailsList.cfm?ID=BDR.498.100&Nav=5)

Is the spool from Bildon.

Looks like the Kaaz is similiar to the Quaife.




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Tim Linerud
San Francisco Region SCCA
#95 GP Wabbit
http://linerud.myvnc.com/racing/index.html

racer_tim @ yahoo dot com

[Knestis]

I didn't know that Bildon has the spool but I got my KAAZ from them. It functions entirely differently than the Quaiffe.

K

[vwmann1]

Please forgive my ignorance, KAAZ???? What does that stand for??

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Doug Hillmann

[racer14itc]

Originally posted by Knestis:
Eh. Not a huge Quaiffe fan. The more I think about it, the more I think that the narrower parameters defined by a road course setting make a spool the good answer. I'm understanding now that, regardless of how the car is set up on top of the KAAZ, it's still going to behave differently on the throttle than off. Now, Mark C. or someone will probably point out for me that I shouldn't ever BE off-throttle... http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

K

Not for very long, anyways...

http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif

I've never driven a welded diff on a FWD car, I'd like to try it sometime. I have three LSD's: Quaife, VWMS, cam & pawl (Gemini). In terms of pure speed I prefer the diffs in this order: the VWMS, Cam& Pawl (Gemini) and Quaife. The disadvantages of the VWMS unit are that it is expensive, the clutch packs will wear out and the rebuild parts are hard to come by and expensive; the Cam& Pawl is by design a self destructive unit but lightweight and works well; the Quaife is very heavy compared to the other two but is a great compromise, does have some wheelspin issues, and has little to no maintenance.

MC

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Mark Coffin
#14 GP BSI Racing/Action Digital/Airborn Coatings/Krispy Kreme VW Scirocco

[This message has been edited by racer14itc (edited July 05, 2005).]

[Knestis]

KAAZ is a manufacturer of diffs, that has focused on the Japanese market (Honda/Acura, notably) until recently.

K

[OTLimit]

the Quaife ..... has little to no maintenance.

MC

[/B]

That was not our experience. And it wasn't a good one.



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Lesley Albin
Over The Limit Racing
Blazen Golden Retrievers

[racer14itc]

Originally posted by OTLimit:
That was not our experience. And it wasn't a good one.



OK, I'll revise it to say the Quaife has required little to no maintenance (for me so far after 3+ seasons).

MC



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Mark Coffin
#14 GP BSI Racing/Action Digital/Airborn Coatings/Krispy Kreme VW Scirocco

[D. Ellis-Brown]

I'm in the process of building a A3 Model, has anybody had any info on Chips for this car?, Mine is a '95. Thanks

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Dave E-B

[JamesB]

Your best chip out there would likely be from GIAC. The cost vs performance of their recurve beats that of Upsolute. I think Techtonics Tuning gave up and now uses GIAC software on all their chips.

You can call Induktion in Maryland, they are a GIAC dealer and can point you in the right direction.

[Knestis]

I did some shopping around and went with an off-the-shelf Techtonics unit. (Mine first one is an OBDII car.)

After some telephone conversation, they raised the rev limit (not because I'm making power above 6K with an old engine and the exhaust we have, but to get it out of the way), advanced the timing more and earlier, and pretty much left the mixture alone. They don't lean them out for road racing, because we spend so much time at WOT.

They indicated that, once we get the spec settled and can dyno the thing, they can burn custom-tweaked chips to tailor the mixture more closely.

Things might be different with the earlier car, of course.

K

[JamesB]

nope its the same for obd1, the only diffrence is II can moc diffrent adaptations to get desired results where obd1 is stuck with reburning the fuel map.

TT has been selling GIAC software for some time now, so diffrent vender same software and pretty much same pricing.

[Bildon]

>> Your best chip out there would likely be from GIAC.

tsk tsk
My normal refrain....

GIAC has a great "name" and a good rep.
That's becuase they have done a great job walking the fine line between chips for street tuning and chips for performance.

For a no-compromise setup the GIAC is not "the best" for long pulls at WOT on a race track.

Listen to Capt Kirk... he got it right. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif

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Bill Sulouff - Bildon Motorsport (http://www.bildon.com)
Volkswagen Racing Equipment

[JamesB]

Yes but I never said to buy one of their off the shelf programs. I dont even run an off the shelf program on my MK4 Jetta turbo. We started with a base program and it was customized to keep my car happy.

But for a ABA chip and the level of customization they can do to the fuel and timing maps are phenominal for the price they offer.

[Bildon]

James, you mean TT not GIAC doing that customization, correct? If so, that is what I meant too. My experience has been that GIAC will not talk to you about changes to existing programs to suit race applications unless you are in a position to buy that new program at very large volumes.

[JamesB]

I was lead to believe from previous discussions that GIAC would change a program. I don't have first hand with my current car I run APR software. But my 99 VR6 ran GIAC and after a issue at my first track event with EGT they modified the program after a few dyno runs. I had to wait 2 weeks for the program but once it was done my EGT's where fine at the track.

But then today I dont know if that is the same, a lot has changed in the VW software world.