Wright Device H&N Restraint Testing Contributions

[planet6racing]

Head and Neck Restraint Raffle!!

Thanks to generous donations, I am happy to announce a raffle for (3) head and neck restraint systems. Gregg Baker has donated (1) Isaac Intermediate system ( http://www.isaacdirect.com ) and Jay Wright has donated (2) different systems.

This shall be a limited ticket raffle, broken down in the following manner:

1) $50 per entry for the Isaac Intermediate Device. Multiple entries are allowed. Maximum of 100 entries in the raffle.

2) $30 per entry for a Wright Device Pro. Multiple entries are allowed. Maximum of 100 entries in the raffle.

3) $20 per entry for a Wright Device Shoulder Harness. Multiple entries are allowed. Maximum of 100 entries.

All money raised will be donated to Jay Wright and Over 40 Racing for SFI testing of the Wright Device. For more information on this, or for a breakdown of how the money was used, visit http://www.over40racing.com.

Additionally, donations shall be accepted directly if you would prefer that route instead.

To enter, simply PayPal ( http://www.paypal.com ) the appropriate fee to planet6racing (at) yahoo (dot) com and indicate in the subject/note area which raffle and how many entries you would like. If you are making a donation without entry into the raffle, just indicate that as well and I will take care of it. I will keep a running tally of the money earned in this thread and who is entered in what raffle.

A note about CC payments: Paypal does take a certain percentage out for them. So, the running total may not be reflective of the total of the donations as PayPal is taking their cut.

Drawing to be held on March 31, 2005 at 9:00 pm CST! Winners shall be notified by e-mail and posted here.

Thank you!!

Running Total: $2,777.29

Donors:
Gregg Baker/Isaac: $1250
Planet 6 Racing (Bill): $50
William Trainer: $15
Dave Zaslow: $20 & Wright Shoulder Entry
Tim Gelling: $100 & (1) entry into each H&N drawing
Antonio Garza: $25
Anonymous: $250
Ben Schaut: $50 & (2) entries into Isaac Drawing
Jake Gulick: $50 & (2) entries into Isaac Drawing
Chris Tamburo: $80 & (2) entries into Isaac and (1) entry into Wright Device Pro
Peter Linssen: $50 & (2) entries into Isaac Drawing
Earl Richards: $50 & (2) entries into Isaac Drawing
Jim Boemler: $20 & (1) Wright Shoulder entry
Christine Fox: $50 & (1) Isaac entry
Nobu Kamino: $50 & (1) Isaac entry
David Gomberg: $510 & (17) Wright Pro entries
Lynn Strong: $30 & (1) Wright Pro entry
Joe Camilleri: $50 & (1) Isaac entry
Mark Andrews: $51.50 and (1) Isaac Entry
Scott Peterson: $80 and (1) Isaac Entry and (1) Wright Pro entry

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[This message has been edited by planet6racing (edited March 30, 2005).]

[gsbaker]

Bill,

Good idea, and nice work!

I just posted something regarding this on the other thread. Feel free to cut and paste here.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[planet6racing]

Well, Gregg upped the "ante" for this program:


Gregg Baker, in another thread, wrote:


So here is what we will do: We will donate $1,250 cash to Jay's SFI efforts, and we will contribute one Isaac Intermediate system ($895 value) to be raffled off with all proceeds contributed to Jay's test fund.

Yes, that's right, there is a FREE Isaac Intermediate on the line! Donate whatever you feel is appropriate and get your chance to own one of these great devices!

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[gsbaker]

What do you folks think is an appropriate price for a raffle ticket?

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[Jay Wright]

I am flabbergasted as Greg did not run this by me before he announced it. I accept and next post will disclose particulars. coming immeadiately as stand alone post.

[x-ring]

>What do you folks think is an appropriate price for a raffle ticket?

$20, but then I already have an ISSAC.


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Ty Till
#16 ITS
Rocky Mountain Division

[gsbaker]

Jay,

Unfortunately, this subject is on more than one thread.

Just so everyone is clear, our offer is to fund 1/2 the cost of one test. That's $1,250. There's still $6K+ to go.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[ddewhurst]

**That's $1,250. There's still $6K+ to go.**

Always with raffle tickets there is this sort of math. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif

David

[lateapex911]

OK, lets be like SCCA and get a GCR on this..

If I donate any amount, do I get a raffle ticket?

How about if I donate $15 I get one ticket, and if I hit the $50 mark I get 4 tickets?
(and abviously 2 for 30, etc, the "carrot" being $50...)

(I used the 15 amount as Willim Trainer has already opted in at that level)

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[Dave Zaslow]

Bill,

I have sent $21 assuming Paypal takes a 5% cut off the top.

Dave Z

[planet6racing]

Originally posted by lateapex911:
OK, lets be like SCCA and get a GCR on this..

If I donate any amount, do I get a raffle ticket?

How about if I donate $15 I get one ticket, and if I hit the $50 mark I get 4 tickets?
(and abviously 2 for 30, etc, the "carrot" being $50...)

(I used the 15 amount as Willim Trainer has already opted in at that level)



We're working something out as we speak. There have been more donations to the cause.

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[x-ring]

Good plan, Jake. I withdraw my $20 suggestion.


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Ty Till
#16 ITS
Rocky Mountain Division

[Jay Wright]

A raffle for an ISAAC Device , a Wright Device, and a Wright Device Pro is being done to raise money for SFI testing. To enter the raffle or to donate to the testing fund, goto:
http://paypal.com and send your contribution to [email protected] note on contribution what raffle you want to be part of.

1) Flat-out donations: Always accepted!
2) $50 donation: 1 entry for Isaac Device raffle. Maximum 100 entries.
3) $30 donation: 1 entry for Wright Device Pro. Maximum 100 entries.
4) $20 donation: 1 entry for Wright Device shoulder harness. Maximum 100 entries.

[planet6racing]

I am happy to announce that the "Anonymous" donor ($250) has donated his (5) Isaac Device raffle tickets to the next (5) people who donate $50 or more toward the cause. So, it would be possible to get (2) chances at the Isaac system for the price of (1)!!!

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[lateapex911]

Cool stuff, Mr "Anon"...whoever you are.

Somehow I doubt it's somebody like Dr. Hubbard or Melvin, although I suspect they could drop a lot more from their pockets on the way to the bank and never notice....

(Thats my way of saying that I think that this "grass roots effort" is a col deal...)

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[planet6racing]

3 more additional entries left from Mr./Mrs. Anonymous!

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[gsbaker]

Now that is impressive.

http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[gsbaker]

Just had a thought (which is usually when the trouble starts).

Jay has posted notice of this raffle on a couple of boards, so it would only be expected that folks who are natural competitors would compete.

How about one of you runs over to, oh say, specmiata.com and very politely and diplomatically announce, "We've donated more that you turkeys!! Pffffft!!" http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[Jay Wright]

For those who want to know the SFI testing requirements: Pulse contour of 68G peak at 70 KPH (43.5 mph)A minimum of two (2) frontal tests and one (1) 30 degree right frontal test will be required. Results must be 3200 N or less for frontal tests. If test fails to meet requirement a third frontal test is required and none of the values will be above 4000 N.
Costs: $500 registration fee with SFI. $2500 per test at Delphi.

[gsbaker]

Jay,

Do you know of any results for products that have been tested under this protocol? Trevor has something, but makes reference to NASCAR as the source.

Just curious.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[planet6racing]

The (5) additional Isaac Raffle Drawing tickets from Mr./Mrs. Anonymous have been used up. But, don't let this stop you from getting at least one entry for these fine prizes!!

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[This message has been edited by planet6racing (edited March 04, 2005).]

[Jay Wright]

Have not seen any data but R3 shows chart of their's and HANS frontal test at 3000N (http://www.lfttech.com/charts.html). No report of offste test results for either.

[gsbaker]

Originally posted by Jay Wright:
Have not seen any data but R3 shows chart of their's and HANS frontal test at 3000N (http://www.lfttech.com/charts.html). No report of offste test results for either.

Yes, I saw that. But something about it doesn't make sense. It references the NASCAR...Oops, no it doesn't. I just checked and the entire page has changed. Hmm.

Anyway, I'm not surprised the numbers are similar, but I am surprised they are so high. That's only 200N below the threshold called for in the spec and the HLR is too low.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[Dave Zaslow]

Gregg and Jay,

Look at lfttech brochure (rightmost button)and tell us what you think. Perhaps on a different thread? This one is getting hijacked away from its estimable purpose.

Dave Z

[planet6racing]

I will be making a trip to Florida leaving today and returning Tuesday, March 15th. As a result, I probably won't be able to check my e-mail/this forum as often.

If you should send me an entry into the raffle during this time period, please do not fret. I will get everything taken care of when I get back.

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[gsbaker]

Slacker. Probably going to have lunch in some tropical cafe, wearing a wiki wiki shirt while sipping a drink that has an umbrella in it, aren't ya?

G

[planet6racing]

Yes. And the best part is, I won't be buying!! http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[lateapex911]

But...who's buying? I bet I know him.... http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[gsbaker]

Originally posted by planet6racing:
Yes. And the best part is, I won't be buying!! http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif



Ha! A slacker and a mooch. He probably won't show up until Thursday. He needs a couple of days to recover from his arduous journey. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[planet6racing]

Arduous journey? Well, I did get back at 1:30 am this morning to a nice, blustery 25º and snow...

If you are a member of another board and feel so inclined, please feel free to cross post this message. The goal here is to get more than one option SFI approved so there isn't a monopoly and Racers have a choice!

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[planet6racing]

I know that our current total looks impressive, but this is a multiple hit test and we are only about 1/4 of the way through what it will truly take to get the Wright Device certified.

Please! Encourage your friends!! Where else can they get a chance at a H&N system for $50??

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[gsbaker]

<font face=\"Verdana, Arial\" size=\"2\">David Gomberg: $510 & (17) Wright Pro entries</font>

Way to go Dave!

Yeah guys, let's get this thing rollin'

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[Daryl DeArman]

Great job David! Must race a 510??

Not only did you do a great thing...you've just about guaranteed yourself a Wright Pro in the process!

2200+ Members...if 1/4 of us donate $10 each we are there!

[Dave Gomberg]

No, I don't drive a 510, I race a DSR. 510 was simply the closest number to 500 evenly divisible by 30.

The reason I made the donation is really quite simple. I was a fairly early adopter of the Wright Device. Based on the earlier tests that Jay had run, I think it is effective and its cost is easily within reach of any club racer. My concern is that sooner or later SCCA will do more than recommend a head and neck restraint meeting the SFI requirements. I believe that eventually, it will become mandatory. When that time comes, I want club racers to have a wide range of choices.

Even though my donation is more than the price of a Wright Device, it is much less than any current alternative. $500 is about half of what I have saved over most of the alternatives, so I'm still ahead and (if more of you will help out) I'll still be able to use it when SFI certification becomes mandatory.

Dave

[planet6racing]

Only 3 days left! Get in while the gettin' in is good!

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[Jay Wright]

Tomorrrow is the drawing and I want to thank all who participated in this effort, especially bill for hosting the drawing and keeping uo with the moneys.

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Jay Wright P.E.
Over 40 Racing Motorsports Accessories, Inc.
http://www.over40racing.com

[gsbaker]

Nice job, Bill. I know Jay--and everyone who wants a choice of products--appreciates your help on this.

Last chance gang! Times a wastein'

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[buldogge]

Hey Bill... The extra $1.50 is simply to cover your paypal fees...



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Mark Andrews
'92 ITS BMW 325is

[gsbaker]

Tick, tick, tick,...

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[mustanghammer]

Is that a Drum Roll I hear or is that just tbe pounding in my head that always follows a late night spent working on my race car?

Who WON? More importantly, did we raise enough cash for the SFI tests???



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Scott Peterson
KC Region
IT7 #17

[gsbaker]

Scott,

Bill is holding the drawing tonight at 10:00 EST. Unfortunately, we are only about 1/3 the way there, so we need to bank this and continue with the fund raising.


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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[gsbaker]

As an aside, there is an opportunity for those whose budgets preclude donating to make a contribution.

As readers may or may not know, Jay is wheelchair-bound as the result of a neck injury he suffered while racing. Consequently, travel is difficult for him and he could use a volunteer to monitor the test. I have offered to do this, schedule permitting, but it would be wise to have a backup if my calendar gets jammed or I otherwise become unavailable.

Of course, it never hurts to have a helping hand around so if Mr./Ms. backup wants to tag along to one of the world's newest crash labs I'm certain they would find it worth the trip to Vandalia, OH (north of Dayton).

A technical background isn't necessary, but it would help.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[edit: location]

[This message has been edited by gsbaker (edited March 31, 2005).]

[Dave Gomberg]

Originally posted by gsbaker:
... he could use a volunteer to monitor the test. I have offered to do this, schedule permitting, but it would be wise to have a backup if my calendar gets jammed or I otherwise become unavailable.


As with you, if previously scheduled commitments allow, I'd be happy to be your backup on this. Just let me know when the tests are scheduled.

Dave

[gsbaker]

Thanks Dave.

BTW, since you are more familiar with the use of Jay's design than we are, feel free to come along. We helped the lab personnel put the product on the dummy at the Wayne State Bioengineering Center lab, but the wiring of the load sensors got in the way of some of the straps. It simulated a worse-case condition but did not do justice to Jay's work. Your presence would be valuable.

Besides, one should never pass up a chance to see a crash test, especially if it is their first.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[Dave Burchfield]

Gregg,

I am only 30 minutes from Vandalia, have the flexibility of schedule, have a vested interest, and would be happy to help in any way possible. Just let me know.

Dave

[planet6racing]

First, let me apologize for not doing this last night. I got completely tied up in another project (also for the IT.com Community) that I completely forgot about it!!

So, without further ado, THE WINNERS ARE:

Jake Gulick - Isaac Device

David Gomberg - Wright Pro Device

Dave Zaslow - Wright Shoulder Device

The drawing was supervised by my peers at Rexnord Technical Services and the names were drawn by an associate (i.e. not me).

Thank you to everyone who participated! Your contributions are very much appreciated!

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[RacerBill]

Gregg: I would like to be included on the list of observers. I really appreciate all that has been done to help Jay and the racing community.

billstevens(at)columbus(dot)rr(dot)com

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Bill Stevens
Mbr 103106
BnS Racing
83 ITA Shelby Dodge Charger

[Jay Wright]

Thanks to all for offers of help. Am still asking others for monetary help and am saving my pennies for the test. Delphi test lab is about 3 miles from Dayton airport. I never told you Greg but you guys put the harness on wrong (it looked to be upside down and backwards)and I was amazed it worked at all. Guess it shows the design strength.

[Jay Wright]

Dave Burchfield - please drop me an e-mail so I can put your address on test contact list. I have the other two. [email protected]

Thanks

[gsbaker]

Originally posted by Dave Burchfield:
Gregg,

I am only 30 minutes from Vandalia, have the flexibility of schedule, have a vested interest, and would be happy to help in any way possible. Just let me know.

Dave

Dave,

Thanks for the offer.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[gsbaker]

Originally posted by RacerBill:
Gregg: I would like to be included on the list of observers. I really appreciate all that has been done to help Jay and the racing community.

billstevens(at)columbus(dot)rr(dot)com



Bill,

Thanks.

Gee, maybe we should have raffled off tickets to the crash test. Hmmm...

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[gsbaker]

Before this goes too far, I should note that there may be a limit to the number of observers allowed at the Delphi lab (never asked).

The idea of a large crowd standing around watching a metal object hurl through space at a high rate of speed, followed by a rapid dispersion of kinetic energy (i.e. crash), cannot give the insurance carrier the warm fuzzies.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[Jay Wright]

Such a deal I have for you:
I will discount the price of the raffle ticket for Wright Device shoulder harness or Wright Device Pro to anyone who purchased a raffle ticket for that device.

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Jay Wright P.E.
Over 40 Racing Motorsports Accessories, Inc.
http://www.over40racing.com

[gsbaker]

Originally posted by Jay Wright:
For those who want to know the SFI testing requirements: Pulse contour of 68G peak at 70 KPH (43.5 mph)A minimum of two (2) frontal tests and one (1) 30 degree right frontal test will be required. Results must be 3200 N or less for frontal tests. If test fails to meet requirement a third frontal test is required and none of the values will be above 4000 N.
Costs: $500 registration fee with SFI. $2500 per test at Delphi.

Jay,

Here's a thought: Let's hit it right now! Seriously! Three tests at $2,500 each, but there is no requirement to perform all three tests at the same session.

Thanks to eveyone's generosity we have enough funds for one test, so let's do the worse-case impact. If you get under 4,000N on the 30 deg offset frontal you are golden, i.e. the straight frontal should be easy.

Let's do it, like, next week!

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[Jay Wright]

+ $500 registration fee for SFI paperwork and scheduling. will check with SFI on split tests.

[Jay Wright]

next week is fine if we can have some one at delphi wed afternoon and they will do one test. SFI personnel must be present and they will be there MTW. need to send unit and helmet for test to whomever will cover for me

[gsbaker]

Hey, that's great Jay! Let me work on it from this end.

Any backups out there good for next Wed pm?

[This message has been edited by gsbaker (edited April 06, 2005).]

[gsbaker]

Jay,

I can be there Wednesday PM. I believe it would be very helpful if one of your users were there also. While I am generally familiar with your design, someone with day-to-day knowledge could prove useful.

From a logistics standpoint, it would be best if you shipped directly to the lab. I'd be happy to hand carry everything for you, but I'm concerned that baggage handlers or TSA may foul things up. Your choice.

Also, please pass on contact info for Delphi and any SFI folks who will be there.

I think it would be great if others observed, but you may need to clear this with Delphi. They may draw the line somewhere between 6 and 60.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

[Daryl DeArman]

Well....?????

What is the latest?

[Jay Wright]

Technicians hooked it up wrong and did not function. Will do retest same unit but hooked up correctly week of 5 July if SFI there. Already scheduled with Delphi.