Lime Rock July 5th IT Pro Race

[Tom Blaney]

I spoke to Dave Lapham on Monday night, and he told me that they are planning on having a 33 lap pro race for the ITS & ITA cars as part of the Monday event schedule.

Dave is still getting the final details done, but there will be 1st 2nd & 3rd in class 1st overall and I belive a hard charger prize. Please let Dave know if your interested and I am sure that he will have the finals by now. This could be the start of something big...

[Greg Amy]

Dang, I'm away on vacation that week! However, I fully support the concept, and had we a bit more than 3-1/2 weeks' notice I woulda been there... - Greg

[benspeed]

Well hot diggity! I totally support this concept also. Just might have to alter some vacation plans....

Tom, can you post information as it comes in?

[Bill Miller]

Hey Greg,

You think Kirk can sling a VR6 into Pablo in 3.5 weeks?? http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif

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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608

[moto62]

Well Dave L., If you're out there, I totally support it. Bring it on man. Funny how Amy is already dipping into his excuse bag. Those are going to run out someday man. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif
Kevin (R2) if you're out there, if this thing thing goes down, you should come up and give it a whirl.
Thanks for the info Tom.
Ray

[Greg Amy]

<font face=\"Verdana, Arial\" size=\"2\">Funny how Amy is already dipping into his excuse bag.</font>

Easy son, you'll get your butt-whoopin' soon enough, no need to temp Fate. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif Besides, if I miss this vacation, half my revenue stream goes away...

[R RACER]

Should be interesting, I know Tom has plenty
of extra Hoosiers from last weekend,It will be fun to watch you guys kill each other for that grand!Ray maybe some video tape would be good for this run.

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Anthony Serra ITA 99

[Tom Blaney]

Originally posted by R RACER:
Should be interesting, I know Tom has plenty
of extra Hoosiers from last weekend,It will be fun to watch you guys kill each other for that grand!Ray maybe some video tape would be good for this run.



Actually we were running the new Kuhmo 710, but that didn't prevent the radiator cap from being tightened

[ulfelder]

Is this race a definite go? Anybody got a pointer to entry forms/supps/etc.?

Steve U

[Tom Blaney]

Originally posted by ulfelder:
Is this race a definite go? Anybody got a pointer to entry forms/supps/etc.?

Steve U

Yes it is, I just got copies of the entry forms via Ray Chee, but I suspect that if you contact Dave Lapham as [email protected] he can send or point you to them.

Spread the word the more the merrier, besides it's more than one of those 9 lap wossie regional races......

[Greg Amy]

http://www.nyr-scca.com/

[robits325is]

Interesting that its called a 'sprint' race. 33 laps is going to seem like an Enduro as compared to our normal 12-15 lap races!

Looking forward to this event! Import Challenge II?

Does anyone know if this is just on Monday or is qualifying on Saturday?

Rob Driscoll

[moto62]

Originally posted by robits325is:
Does anyone know if this is just on Monday or is qualifying on Saturday?

Rob Driscoll



Qual is 9:30am on Monday and we race at 11:00am. I'll try to get more details as to when we can get in with the cars, etc.
Ray

[gran racing]

Glad to see they didn't stick this race really late in the day when most people have already left!

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Dave Gran
NER ITB #13
'87 Honda Prelude si

[16v]

the announcer was talking it up frequently during the National yesterday at LRP

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Doug
NER.org (http://www.ner.org) webmaster
the16v.com (http://www.the16v.com) Photography
briansgarage.com (http://www.briansgarage.com)

[moto62]

So far, no cars in until Sunday.
Wow! Check out Monday's gate price.
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2005 American Le Mans
New England Grand Prix Ticket Information
(July 1-4)
Ticket Advance Price Gate Price
Friday $20.00 $25.00
Saturday $25.00 $35.00
Sunday $15.00 $20.00
Monday $50.00 $65.00
Weekend $80.00 N/A
RV $150.00 N/A
Parking - Advanced Ticket Purchase* Free N/A
Parking - Gate Ticket Purchase N/A $10 (Infield & Outfield)
Parking - Gate Ticket Purchase N/A $5 (Outside Track)
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Ray

[lateapex911]

Who rents good ITS cars that might have one available for this? Or ITA?

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by lateapex911:
Who rents good ITS cars that might have one available for this? Or ITA?



Hmmmm...track record car at NHIS OK?

http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

Hmmmm....

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
New England Region, R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)

[ulfelder]

Knock it off, Andy. : )

[lateapex911]

You guys are renting out Anthony's old car????

http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif

(You have an email concerning this....)

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[Scott Koschwitz]

Here is a link to the schedule: http://www.limerock.com/news_almsSchedule.html

[Bildon]

heh heh Can I put Butch Leitzinger in my car or is that cheating?

Actually there are probably a number of Pros who would be interested in mixing it up out there. Track time is track time. And wouldn't it be fun to have a few of us "regular "joe's" beat up on some LeMans veterans http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif



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Bill Sulouff - Bildon Motorsport (http://www.bildon.com)
Volkswagen Racing Equipment

[16v]

Originally posted by moto62:

Wow! Check out Monday's gate price.


Ray, Monday is the main event day and those ticket prices are in line with other events on the ALMS schedule. Heck, LRP has been getting that sort of dough for Memorial Day for the last 10 years.



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Doug
NER.org (http://www.ner.org) webmaster
the16v.com (http://www.the16v.com) Photography
briansgarage.com (http://www.briansgarage.com)

[tims90rx7]

Ben,

Are you definately in on this race?

Tim

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Tim Estes
ITS 1990 RX-7
NER

[Mark Gregory]

to tim and ben this is Mark Gregory first time on the touring web sight. I have sent and entry in for this race hope there is a place for every one. I will be racing kind courtesy of SCDA1.com and Ian Prout. hope you guys can make it, what a great july 4th that would be!

[tims90rx7]

Hey Mark,

I'm still on the fence with this one although I will most likely make a decision within the next day or two. We still have the NHIS double and Watkins Glen in July and I may be burning up all my hall passes with the rest of my family if I go. Does sound like fun though....

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Tim Estes
ITS 1990 RX-7
NER

[benspeed]

I've got my SeaRay calling me for some ski time - gotta go with the boat and the family.

I'll see you guys at NHIS.

Good luck!

[ulfelder]

FWIW, I'm out - dumping the family on July 4, then heading off to NHIS for a double the following weekend was deemed hazardous to my marital health.

Steve U
05 ITS
Flatout Motorsports

[tims90rx7]

I'm with you Steve. As much as I would like to run I would be 'straining' things at home. See you at NHIS!

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Tim Estes
ITS 1990 RX-7
NER

[Nick Leverone]

It is really too bad this was put together so late in the season, I wish I could be there but I had already made plans to be on the lake with friends in PA and can not break those plans.

See you all at NHIS.

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Nick Leverone
04 ITS Mazda Rx-7
www.flatout-motorsports.com

[Jake]

So who's in? I just got the info in the mail - it's actually a pretty good deal. Nearly twice as long as a normal sprint race for a lower price - plus you and 3 of your closest friends don't have to pay $65 to get in.

[gran racing]

Jake buddy ole pal. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif Does this mean you are actually doing it?

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Dave Gran
NER ITB #13
'87 Honda Prelude si

[lateapex911]

He's just waiting for some old RX-7s to enter so he knows he won't finish last to the armada of Acuras and Hondas!

As I have no previous commitments, I am considering. Is it online entry? Who's in so far?

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[Rabbit05]

I wonder if they would let my Rabbit in ??? http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif Maybe ITC Heavy or ITA lite? LOL! It would be nice to finally get some laps in...anyone got a car laying around ? Preferably a VW ...

John VanDenburgh
ITC Rabbit 05

[Jake]

Originally posted by lateapex911:
He's just waiting for some old RX-7s to enter so he knows he won't finish last to the armada of Acuras and Hondas!


Jake knows me WAY too well. Actually the fact that WC doesn't run that day changes things a bit (for me at least).

[Jake]

I wonder how long it takes to build an ITS RX7 http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

[JLawton]

Originally posted by Rabbit05:
I wonder if they would let my Rabbit in ???

Yea, how about some ITB cars if you can't fill the field with ITS and ITA?? http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif Would I get protested if I entered my GTi in ITS?? Hey, I'm ONLY 6 seconds off Nick's times!!

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Jeff L
#74 ITB GTi

[lateapex911]

Jeff...aren't certain golf/rabbits/gti's ITA cars?? Think anyone would know the difference if there was an "A" sticker on your door where the "B" is currently?

I doubt anyone would have the guts to say anything even if they did care, LOL.

Kidding, kidding, of course!



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[benspeed]

Looks like Mark Greggory is in a great position to finish strong in the ITS race - pulling for that podium finish!

Any news on Kip or Autotechnic entering? How about Brian Reilly - does he still have his RX7?

[Chris Humphrey]

Originally posted by lateapex911:
He's just waiting for some old RX-7s to enter so he knows he won't finish last to the armada of Acuras and Hondas!

As I have no previous commitments, I am considering. Is it online entry? Who's in so far?



Hey... We finish 3rd in ITA and 11th over all with a old rx7 at the 12 hour at the point this year!

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by Chris Humphrey:
Hey... We finish 3rd in ITA and 11th over all with a old rx7 at the 12 hour at the point this year!


Well, you should bring that RX-7 up and take some prize money! It's been a loooong time since an RX-7 has seen the podium in ITA in the New England Region...


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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by benspeed:
Looks like Mark Greggory is in a great position to finish strong in the ITS race - pulling for that podium finish!

Any news on Kip or Autotechnic entering? How about Brian Reilly - does he still have his RX7?

I've been wondering about the autotecnic guys, but I know Reilly decided regional racing wasn't for him, and went forward with his pro plans, which included a first year run in an RX-8 in National T2 racing, but that was last year...haven't seen him this year.

His car was sold to a nice guy who I saw racing it at an EMRA event.



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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[Andy Bettencourt]

Reilly had us build a SM for him...

Driscoll eluded to those guys showing up at LRP above...no?

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
New England Region, R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)

[robits325is]

Originally posted by Andy Bettencourt:
Reilly had us build a SM for him...

Driscoll eluded to those guys showing up at LRP above...no?

AB



We are going to try! A few all nighters and a little luck and we just might make it.

Rob

[Chris Humphrey]

Originally posted by lateapex911:

Well, you should bring that RX-7 up and take some prize money! It's been a loooong time since an RX-7 has seen the podium in ITA in the New England Region...



I plan to try...IMO its a great deal!
It would cost $200 for you and 3 friends to go watch. $250 gets you 1hr+ Track time (at a great track) and have a chance to win money in a regional race....A first for me!

[ITA Racer]

Hi guys great to see the race is on Monday in front of everyone. i just have a few questions if someone can answer for me. What is the entry fee.Can I run the race on a novice permit. Somewhere on this post or the New York region site said it was a "PRO " race. Thanks Dave

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#28 ITA Neon. Halfway to my regional liccense

[DMaynard]

To Mark Gregory -
Dave and the 3D Crew will be at Limerock for the race, entry form already sent the Monday after the Wedding.

We will see you at Limerock, it will be a fun 4th of July!

Anyone have any idea when we can bring the cars in and when registration and tech is, the information we got didn't list the times.

Deb

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3D Race Team
Driver: Dave Maynard
Crew: Dan, Larry & Deb
E36 BMW 325i (Red)
#18 ITS
Just Trying to Keep it FUN!!!

[benspeed]

It looks like a fine dual between the Kam Motorsports/Rosmar RX7 of Mark Greggory and the 3-D Motorsports BMW entry of Dave Maynard. Both have hot cars and aggressive drivers. Dave needs to get down into the 02's to make a run at Mark and my bet is that he will! (just don't blow up that new motor or Dan will make you build it yourself next time!)

The tension builds - will the Autotechnic guys make it to the track. Both have been in the 01s before, but with the unproven and heavier 323 ITS car, can they make a run at the proven rides?

Will Kip show up with his 944S which is a no-expense spared, built to the max ITS car. He was in the 01s this spring during test, but the car still needs sorting. Word is that he ran well down south. The Kipper could be the spoiler and has a number of pro-ITS wins at LRP.

In ITA it'll be an Integra, but Blaney has got to be sick of that sh*t and may just go friggin wild if he's registered. Young Serra in his Honda could do the same.

The pressure is on. The eyes of the IT racing community turn to see who will be at the top of the podium.

When will LRP put in live web-cams so those of us with spousal units can watch from our vacation destinations with cold beverage in hand?

D:

[Tom Blaney]

Originally posted by benspeed:

In ITA it'll be an Integra, but Blaney has got to be sick of that sh*t and may just go friggin wild if he's registered. Young Serra in his Honda could do the same.




As Cosmo Kramer would say "O you got that right buddy"

I'll be there and it's time to teach those young wipper snapper's a lesson or two .... http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

[Andy Bettencourt]

Let's add to the tension...

HOT SHOE renting the track record-holding 04 Flatout Motorsports RX-7...

Be there or be square.

http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
New England Region, R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)

[Mark Gregory]

to Deb Dan and David. the last i heared was that they were trying to make it possible to register on saturday but you could not get you vehicles in the track until after sunday . I will be going up on sunday afternoon and register monday morning. ps i will give you a call.

[Doc Bro]

My poor Z3 doesn't stand a chance against those Acuras....(even if it ran well) at least there will be a ton of people watching. To quote the great Jackie Childs (keeping with the Seinfeld quotes) "this may be the most public yet of my many humiliations"

It's all about having fun!!!!

[lateapex911]

Andy, do I know that Hot Shoe?? Might he have a recent win at LRP that I was in the passenger seat for the victory lap??

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[14itb318]

Hello , anyone know how long it takes from pittsburgh cause I might cancel mid-o and head to lrp

[lateapex911]

8 hrs?


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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[Jeremy Billiel]

The trip towing a car would be closer to 12 hours. PA is a damn long state from Pittsburg!

[RSTPerformance]

Its only about 10-11 hours max to get all the way to NH from Beaver Run (did it last weekend and Nelson a couple weeks prior to that). Lime Rock takes us 3 hours to get to, so I would think that you should be able to do it in closer to 8 hours. That is at Dads towing speed of about 70-75 not the "kids" speed of 80-85.

Good Luck, if you go you will enjoy Lime Rock, although I am going to Mid-Ohio, so if you decide to stay at Mid-Ohio look for the Red and Silver Audi and be sure to stop and say Hi http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

Raymond

[andrew240z]

Anyone know what the fee is for overcrew?

[p99ro]

Far as crew do we not get 3 free. And they don`t need to be members. Only if they go in the hot pits? Am I right. Hellooooooo
Scott

[andrew240z]

According to Lapham, overcrew is subject to ticket purchase.

[83rx701]

Anyone know when registration is open
And will we get confirmation on our Entry form NYR

Lou I
ITA #79
RX7 NER

[supersmile]

[quote]Originally posted by 83rx701:
[B]Anyone know when registration is open
And will we get confirmation on our Entry form NYR [UNQUOTE]

Just got an email from the registrar confirming that registration is open Sunday from 2-5 and Monday starting at 7. There will also be time to register on Saturday but you won't be able to bring your car in. I didn't get a confirmation so I asked for one.

Oh yeah, as of Monday evening Susan said there are 40 IT cars entered and 9 SRF for our race which unfortunately isn't for $$$

Rob Zatz,
SRF #5

[robits325is]

Will there by anyone there to complete an annual tech inspection?

Thanks,
Rob

[p99ro]

Ok So in reply to the ? of cost to crew are they free or are they a cost to get in. This is important. If it cost money I may not get a crew. I would like a responce from anyone who knows. I am sure others would like a definite answar. Thanks in advance. As to Tech ? Will Dick be in Da house?
Scott Soaking wet after tuesday breakin at LRP. And Yes Dyson going real fast alone sounds way cool echoing throught the hills.

[moto62]

Originally posted by p99ro:
Ok So in reply to the ? of cost to crew are they free or are they a cost to get in. This is important. If it cost money I may not get a crew. I would like a responce from anyone who knows. I am sure others would like a definite answar.

Ok dude. Since you're lost in space, I'll splain. The original question was refering to overcrew. Not the usual three xtra bodies that would normally sleaze in with you. In other words, if you brought in a fourth crew member, he/she would have to pay the overcrew fee which is normally the gate price for the event.There's your 'answar'. Got it? http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif
Ray



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[p99ro]

Right.

so not over the wall as to crew. I just wanted to be sure and not have someone show up and told they need to pay. Thats all.
And I`ve landed thank you very much.
Scott

[dazzlesa]

It sounds like we will have a full house witch is great.i thought i would mention some info from the past. last year the spec miatas ran this event and lets say way too many cars had to visit the body shop or junk yard. its great to have a crowd to watch us and a prize to race for, but a body shop bill can easily eclipse a check for winning.lets have a fun and clean race. rick #06 ITA

[Mark Gregory]

I WILL SECOND THAT IT ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE WHEN THERES A CROWED AND MONEY ON THE TABLE THINGS GET A BIT MORE CRAZZZZY! BUT EVEN WHEN SOME GUYS ARE JUST RACING FOR PLASTIC ASH TRAYS THEY GET CRAZZZZY LETS DRIVE HARD DRIVE CLEAN AND GIVE EACH OTHER A LITTLE ROOM. THE TEST OF A GOOD DRIVER IS TO DRIVE FAST AND IN CONTROL AT ALL TIMES. LETS HAVE A FUN TIME NOT A CRASH FEST LIKE THE OMP CHALLANGE BECAME.

[Chris Humphrey]

A 33 lap race with no full course yellows and when its over we all load are cars with a smile on are faces.

That would be a good show for IT and fans!

[p99ro]

All sounds great till the flag.
Scott ita 09 crx

[Greg Amy]

Well...?

[philstireservice]

ITA 1. Ray LeeChee
2. Lorenzo Serra
3. Richard Hunter
4. Tom Blaney

Top 3 all on Hoosiers from ... http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

Way to go guys !!!!!

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[Andy Bettencourt]

Word in from the Victory Stand...

Brian Reilly wins the race in the Flatout Motorsports 04 RX-7. Qualified sixth in his first time in the car while in heavy traffic...I am assuming there were a few ITA Integras in front.

He and Sabatello (E30 Bimmer) moved to the front and with about 5 to go, he made his move around the outside of Big Bend and drove away in traffic.

More reports?

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
New England Region, R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)
http://www.flatout-motorsports.com/images/misc/RX-7_Avitar.jpg

[dominojd]

Originally posted by GregAmy:
Well...?


01 ITA Nissan Sentra 11th overal 7th in class http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif


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Crazy Joe
#01 ITA
Nissan Sentra SE-R

[dazzlesa]

anthony and i broke.rodier and manuel crashed in bigbend on the first lap.shane broke during qualifying.no full course yellows. the front row were hunter and anthony with 1:019 times. rick #06 ITA.

[Lime Rock Fan]

You guys put on a great show! Lots of fun to watch.

One comment, regarding a qualifying incident between the #12 Neon of Dave Brooks, and the #23 Honda of Mr. Serra.

Dave is a newbie, and a beginning racer (not to mention a helluva nice guy who is willing to help anybody out). He made a mistake in qualifying while Mr. Serra was overtaking him going into the right hander that leads onto the no name straight- he turned down on Mr. Serra (even though he was still ahead of Serra, both drivers ned to give racing room). Dave didn't see Serra, turned down on him, and basically spun-himself off into the weeds on the front of Serra's bumper.

Dave went up to apologise to Serra, at which point Serra told him, very rudely, that he had no business being out there, shouldn't race, and that if anybody wanted to, could hit Dave and send him over and on his roof.

This is REGIONAL RACING, Mr. Serra. This is where the newbies and novices run. With your crap attitude, and flagrantly threataning comment (which is a violation of the GCR), you are very lucky that YOU were not protested, and have your license suspended.

I have already forwarded a note regarding your conduct to the Chief Steward of the race, to make sure you are watched carefully!

Regional racing is for fun and a cheap plaque. It is also the entry level of club racing, where newbies are supposed to be runing.

Get over yourself, Serra.

Lime Rock Fan
Lakeville, CT

BTW- Mr. Brooks has no idea I was posting this. I happen to be a random fan who came by to encourage him and tell him what a great looking Neon he had, at which point he relayed this story. I than saw him offering help to a couple of other guys paddocked nearby who were having mechanical woes after the qualifying session.

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[This message has been edited by Lime Rock Fan (edited July 05, 2005).]

[Bill Miller]

Originally posted by Lime Rock Fan:
You guys put on a great show! Lots of fun to watch.

One comment, regarding a qualifying incident between the #12 Neon of Dave Brooks, and the #23 Honda of Mr. Serra.

Dave is a newbie, and a beginning racer (not to mention a helluva nice guy who is willing to help anybody out). He made a mistake in qualifying while Mr. Serra was overtaking him going into the right hander that leads onto the no name straight- he turned down on Mr. Serra (even though he was still ahead of Serra, both drivers ned to give racing room). Dave didn't see Serra, turned down on him, and basically spun-himself off into the weeds on the front of Serra's bumper.

Dave went up to apologise to Serra, at which point Serra told him, very rudely, that he had no business being out there, shouldn't race, and that if anybody wanted to, could hit Dave and send him over and on his roof.

This is REGIONAL RACING, Mr. Serra. This is where the newbies and novices run. With your crap attitude, and flagrantly threataning comment (which is a violation of the GCR), you are very lucky that YOU were not protested, and have your license suspended.

I have already forwarded a note regarding your conduct to the Chief Steward of the race, to make sure you are watched carefully!

Regional racing is for fun and a cheap plaque. It is also the entry level of club racing, where newbies are supposed to be runing.

Get over yourself, Serra.

Lime Rock Fan
Lakeville, CT

BTW- Mr. Brooks has no idea I was posting this. I happen to be a random fan who came by to encourage him and tell him what a great looking Neon he had, at which point he relayed this story. I than saw him offering help to a couple of other guys paddocked nearby who were having mechanical woes after the qualifying session.

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[This message has been edited by Lime Rock Fan (edited July 05, 2005).]

Lime Rock Fan,

Couple of points.

First off, it's common courtesy to either use your real name, or sign your posts w/ your real name. If you don't want to let people know who you are, you really shouldn't make comments about somebody.

Second, it sounds like you did not witness any exchange between Mr. Serra and Mr. Brooks, nor did you witness the incident. What you are going on, is one side of the story, relayed to you (albeit, by one of the parties involved). It would be common courtesy, to at least get the other side of the story, before you lambast someone in a public forum. Especially since you have no direct knowledge of what transpired.

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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608

[Lime Rock Fan]

Originally posted by Bill Miller:
Lime Rock Fan,

Couple of points.

First off, it's common courtesy to either use your real name, or sign your posts w/ your real name. If you don't want to let people know who you are, you really shouldn't make comments about somebody.

Second, it sounds like you did not witness any exchange between Mr. Serra and Mr. Brooks, nor did you witness the incident. What you are going on, is one side of the story, relayed to you (albeit, by one of the parties involved). It would be common courtesy, to at least get the other side of the story, before you lambast someone in a public forum. Especially since you have no direct knowledge of what transpired.



Actually, I did witness the on-track incident (as I was sitting on the hill), and I challenge you to find someone that says that anything occured other than how I described it.

As to the point of my real name, it has no bearing on the rude conduct, and the conversation that occured between the two drivers was confirmed to me by another "non-partisan" observer.

Everyone should be more concerned with this type of conduct rather than what some random spectators actual name is.

I am an SCCA member, but strictly as a fan not a participant. I know that we need more members and participants to help the club grow and address the "graying" of the SCCA. This type of a "welcome" is not the way to encourage others to participate.

[Bill Miller]

You're right, who you are has no bearing on the matter between the two drivers. However, since you decided to be a 3rd party that is calling a driver's conduct into question, you will get no respect / consideration, if you don't have the sack to stand behind what you post. If you feel so strongly about what you saw/heard, show some conviction, and stand up for it.

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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608

[Lime Rock Fan]

Originally posted by Bill Miller:
You're right, who you are has no bearing on the matter between the two drivers. However, since you decided to be a 3rd party that is calling a driver's conduct into question, you will get no respect / consideration, if you don't have the sack to stand behind what you post. If you feel so strongly about what you saw/heard, show some conviction, and stand up for it.



1) I could care less whether YOU want to give me any respect or consideration- my only concern is for the proper conduct of those who would threaten the safety of another driver. I am not asking anyone to take me at face value or believe me, or give me any respect. Ask Mr. Serra his side. I simply want to get a conversation started.

2) Oooh. Yes, you must have a great big sack. I will stand behind wat I say. I choose not to be identified. That is my choice. I don't race, won't be out there with you guys, won't ever meet any of you, so stop trying to change the topic at hand-
If you happen to upset someone with a move or a mistake you make on track, do YOU want to be threatened by that person (after you go to apologize), to be flipped onto your roof? Do YOU have enough SACK for that?

Yes- I was told this story by one party. I simply think that you need to inquire with the other party, see if it is true, and let them know (if it is true) that this type of behavior is NOT acceptable. If the other party says that this is not the case, let him come forward and deny it.

I will post nothing further- since my sack is shriveling rapidly in the presence of your great big elephant balls.

[Bill Miller]

Originally posted by Lime Rock Fan:
1) I could care less whether YOU want to give me any respect or consideration- my only concern is for the proper conduct of those who would threaten the safety of another driver. I am not asking anyone to take me at face value or believe me, or give me any respect. Ask Mr. Serra his side. I simply want to get a conversation started.


So, what you are is an anonymous little sh*t-stirrer.


2) Oooh. Yes, you must have a great big sack. I will stand behind wat I say. I choose not to be identified.

Uh, yeah, that's it.
That is my choice. I don't race, won't be out there with you guys, won't ever meet any of you, so stop trying to change the topic at hand-
If you happen to upset someone with a move or a mistake you make on track, do YOU want to be threatened by that person (after you go to apologize), to be flipped onto your roof? Do YOU have enough SACK for that?

Yes- I was told this story by one party. I simply think that you need to inquire with the other party, see if it is true, and let them know (if it is true) that this type of behavior is NOT acceptable. If the other party says that this is not the case, let him come forward and deny it.


Yeah, that's it, call another driver's character into question before you verify anything that you've been told, and then expect other people to verify it. All while hiding behind an internet nickname. People like that are usually referred to as trolls.



I will post nothing further- since my sack is shriveling rapidly in the presence of your great big elephant balls.

Thank God for that!

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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608

[Lime Rock Fan]

To prove that you are a dimwitted little troll yourself, and that you are not capable of the intelligance required to understand the underlying point, and wish to instead focus on a person's name- let me clarify that my actual name is Jonathon Barnes.

Let me ask you a couple of questions:

1) What does a guy, who admitted that he made a mistake, and was going over to apologize to the affected person, stand to prove or gain by fabricating such a story?
NOTHING. This is why I believe him- one of the two parties actually involved.

2) Why are you more interested in somebodies name (who doesn't race, and which has no bearing on the issue at hand), than one of your fellow racers threatening to take someone out in a violent manner on the track?

I would suggest that your priorities are a tad, off

[robits325is]

I have watched and participated with 'Mr. Serra' for years - he is a top level competitor and an all around nice guy. If he told someone that they have no business being on the track then he is probably correct. Does that mean that this driver should take up Golf? Probably not. But on the other hand some drivers go to two licensing schools then show up and are expected to be fully aware of their position on the track and the competitors around them.

I'm sure that neither party involved intended for this to be the outcome of their weekend. I also don't anticipate 'Mr. Serra' painting his new car Flat Black with a Jolly Roger on the hood and putting a patch over one eye.

Rob Driscoll

[7racing]

Interesting argument. Hope all involved can get together and hash out their differences. I don't know either of them, so I'm not going to get in the middle.

I'm only here to congratulate RAY LEE CHEE on a fine drive in ITA (oh, yeah, you too Brian!)

The ITA race was very exciting for most of the race, looks like Ray spent a little more time keeping his tires under him than the others.

Can't wait till NHIS this weekend. Car is ready, I think I'm ready, let's do it!

Jeremy (in case anyone needs to know my name. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif )

[JLawton]

Mr Lime Rock "fan",
Not sure how it is on other sites, but here we sign our names. Most of us all know each other and race together, and you have done neither.......

No where did Bill say Dave or Anthony was in the wrong, all he said was that all the facts should be gathered before a judgement is made. Anthony is well known and respected NER and nobody is going to pay attention to your rant without all the facts....or a name........


Chill out, move on........


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Jeff L
#74 ITB GTi

[racer14itc]

Unfortunately one of the facts of racing SCCA regionals is that you're going to be out there with rank novices. Lime Rock Fan is correct that this is where the novices race (regionals). This means that the more experienced drivers have to take into account that they are likely to do some unexpected things on the track. We all make mistakes and novices tend to make more than their share.

When I was racing regionals, whenever I came up on a car with an X/triple stripes signifying a novice I almost always waited for a point by in the corners or waited until the straight to pass. Often this meant disrupting a good lap, and this could be especially frustrating in qualifying. But the alternative...well you see what can happen.

Just one of the hazards of running regionals. Add that to the fact that Lime Rock is usually a crowded race track and there aren't a lot of places to pass and you have a recipe for incidents. I've had my share of "Oh...sh*t..." moments trying to pass novices (and so-called "experienced" drivers as well), I'm sure others have as well.

The best thing here is for everyone to learn from it. The novice drivers have to be more aware of what's going on around them and not get "tunnel vision", but this can be difficult. We can all remember what it was like our first few SCCA races, right? It was hard enough to stay on the track w/o getting run over! For a lot of us, it was incomprehensible how fast some of those guys were. For the experienced drivers, it's just a reminder that they're out there with beginners just learning this game.

MC

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Mark Coffin
#14 GP BSI Racing/Action Digital/Airborn Coatings/Krispy Kreme VW Scirocco

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[dickita15]

Jonathan aka Fan thanks for giving your name. I am sorry your exchange with Bill got out of hand. You are right your name is probably not important, but Bill's point, I think, that go lost is that if someone refuses to give a name they become suspect. blame the internet.


Jeff and Robbie, from the car number he posted that is not Anthony, who I know and would vouch for, it is his brother who I really do not know much.

dick patullo


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[gran racing]

Bill has some very valid points. I would be very pissed if someone were talking about me in a public forum. And not to put your name on your post is pretty sad when you are trashing him publicly. If you feel like you should get involved in the situation, you might want to try to contact him directly a few days after the race. Yes, it was a good idea for the driver to go talk to him after the incident and apologize. IF Anthony said that, he was probably reacting to the situation but was still a bit out of line. I will say that I have raced with Anthony in ITA for the previous two years (first two years racing W2W) and he was always very respectful out on the track. There were many times while lapping me he could have made a pass which could have completed but really would have screwed me up and possibly been a bit unsafe for me but he held off and waited the ¼ second to do it safely. Although doing that also makes good racing sense for him, I’ve always respected that.

Just to clarify, this is a general statement not directed towards your relative or friend. As others have mentioned, too many new drivers jump into racing without the proper level of experience. While club racing is intended for people new to the sport, I strongly believe that it is not the place for people new to track driving to be. More thoughts on this in the general discussion area…

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Dave Gran
NER ITB #13
'87 Honda Prelude si

[R RACER]

On the topic of the Lime Rock Race Fan: Your view means nothing to me, but I will point out a few things for you since you don't race
and you are a fan,qualifing is not racing and most drivers always leave a little room on the inside just in case a faster approaching car is there,at least thats how I was shown when I was a rookie,and still conduct myself that way, as for my younger brother, who you choose to talk SH"T about on a public forum he might have been at the
wrong place at the wrong time,from my view and some others drivers view the Neon was at fault,thats why he was spoken to by officials
,now it his choice to accept an appology or what ever entailed, but you have no right to
publicly bash him,especially since you were not there to hear the conversation that went on.Mr "fan" stop by my trailer anytime I'm at
every Lime Rock for every SCCA race and test
day, I usually drive the #99 silver/org Acura
if you wish to have drawn out conversation about something you were not even involved in
I'm sorry for the Neon guy if your first race
at Lime Rock was not pleasant,these type of races bring undue pressure on everyone and alot of drivers get carried away on these hyped up weekends. NOW BACK TO BUSINESS, congrats to RAY on a well deserved win, and to Lorenzo, Rich, for putting on a good clean race, it was fun to watch from the corner worker station on the uphill.Lets put this thread back on the right track, this was a real good race for the IT guys and we should thank Dave and all involved for giving us a chance to put a good show on.See you guys at NHIS (in a borrowed ITA car!)

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Anthony Serra ITA 99

[Enzo149]

The only reason I am responding to this attack of my character is that there has seemed to be some confusion, I am Lorenzo Driver of #23 Honda CRX, Anthony is the driver of #99 Acura Integra. I was the one involved in the incident described and poorly interpreted by Jonathon Barnes. The incident was discussed with David Brooks very politely and no threats were made to or implied to him through out the extent of our conversation. He feels there are still problems between us he can contact me privately.

Overall it was a great race, Ray and Rich are first class drivers, which I enjoyed racing against a look forward to racing again. Great Job Ray.

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Lorenzo Serra
ITA Honda CRX #23
NER

[Bill Miller]

Originally posted by Lime Rock Fan:
To prove that you are a dimwitted little troll yourself, and that you are not capable of the intelligance required to understand the underlying point, and wish to instead focus on a person's name- let me clarify that my actual name is Jonathon Barnes.

Let me ask you a couple of questions:

1) What does a guy, who admitted that he made a mistake, and was going over to apologize to the affected person, stand to prove or gain by fabricating such a story?
NOTHING. This is why I believe him- one of the two parties actually involved.

2) Why are you more interested in somebodies name (who doesn't race, and which has no bearing on the issue at hand), than one of your fellow racers threatening to take someone out in a violent manner on the track?

I would suggest that your priorities are a tad, off


Well Mr. Barnes, it would seem that your assessment of the situation, or your understanding of the account given by Mr. Brooks, may not be entirely accurate. You've had one of the parties involved post on here that now such threats/comments were made. At the very least, I think you owe Lorenzo an apology (not to mention the rest of the members of this forum).


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SCCA 279608

[lateapex911]

From my point, the orange Neon seemed to be diligent in his mirror use, as he was very courteous each time I came up to lap him. So, perhaps an honest mistake, or a lesson learned.

I wish I could say the same for some others. I was approached after the race by a few drivers who commented on needless blocking that they had seen performed on me, as well as themselves.

I was behind a black ITS Porsche that was slow in the corners (but too fast for me on the straights) and as some ITS cars came up, I moved overr to let them pass. They didn't enjoy the same luck with the Porsche as he moved inside to block their better line. In big bend it got hairy, and i ended up taking the inside pass option to avoid hitting the poor ITS car that I had just waved by! (Sorry Brian B, it was better than tagging you)

And I was forced over the curbing several times when attempting to over take a car I came up on, but was stuck behind for several laps, Even with repeated overlaps he slammed the door on me. Once I got by, the video of a following car shows the gap grows by seconds a lap.

I think most will agree that if you are being lapped, move over. And if a faster car approaches, there is little point in keeping him back. Move over at a convenient spot, and try following.

My car had brake issues this weekend, and it reminded me of the need to plan your laps with an eye on the mirror. It is easy to let guys by if you watch them and their closing rate. I certainly apologise to anyone I may have held up, it certainly wasn't intentional.

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[moto62]

Thanks all for the congrats. I had a great time doing battle with Lorenzo S. and Richie H. Each of us passed each other a couple of times and never once had an issue. Most everyone was very courteous, even the lappers. It was a little difficult to get by sometimes but that was only because we would catch little groups of them and they were tied up in their own battles. I must apologise to Brian B. I believe you were in a blue RX-7. I was bumping you pretty hard going through the esses. The pressure was on and I was trying to force my way through. Maybe I should have "flipped you on your roof" http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/biggrin.gif, just kidding. Thanks to all for a great time and yes, this was a pro race because..... I got paid http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif
Ray F. Boombalatti

[dominojd]

Originally posted by lateapex911:


I was behind a black ITS Porsche that was slow in the corners (but too fast for me on the straights) and as some ITS cars came up, I moved overr to let them pass. They didn't enjoy the same luck with the Porsche as he moved inside to block their better line. In big bend it got hairy, and i ended up taking the inside pass option to avoid hitting the poor ITS car that I had just waved by! (Sorry Brian B, it was better than tagging you)

And I was forced over the curbing several times when attempting to over take a car I came up on, but was stuck behind for several laps, Even with repeated overlaps he slammed the door on me. Once I got by, the video of a following car shows the gap grows by seconds a lap.

I think most will agree that if you are being lapped, move over. And if a faster car approaches, there is little point in keeping him back. Move over at a convenient spot, and try following.




I saw and had some encounters with the same black Porshe.
He was in front of the 2nd and 3rd place ITA cars going into big bend and intetionally blocked the inside pass and parked it turning in. This caused the old accordian effect having Lorenzo and Rick run right up his butt. This gave me the opportunity to finally get by Brain B. after chasing for most of the race which put me in 10th overall. Next lap by he did the same thing again to rick who was still stuck behind him. This forced me wide as not to punt Rick which gave Roger D. the inside who snuck by me for 10th position. Next thing I new I was on Rogers bumper holding the inside of the left hander as roger went by the black porshe the porshe decided to make a hard left right into the right front fender of my car. To say the least I wasn't very happy because I had to just about stop not to take us both out and Roger ran away. Oh and I forgot to say this was on the last lap of the race. Oh well I guess shit happens.

And like Jake said if your getting lapped give those leaders a little room. When I saw the leaders coming in the mirror I planned where they were going to pass me as not to slow them down and myself at the same time. One day you might be the lapper and not the lapee and would appreciate the courtesy.

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Crazy Joe
#01 ITA
Nissan Sentra SE-R

[R2 Racing]

Originally posted by moto62:
Kevin (R2) if you're out there, if this thing thing goes down, you should come up and give it a whirl.

Well, maybe if I wouldn't have just started reading this thread for the first time this morning, things would've been different. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif Oh well, maybe next time.

Congratulations to Ray on winning what I'm sure was a great ITA race! Whenever I read up on the NEDiv ITA racing, it makes me even more anxious to run with you guys again. Just watch out, mines faster than ever. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif Too bad most of you guys are too!

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Kevin
Ruck Racing
'92 ITA Acura Integra RS
'92 ITC Honda Civic CX
'85 ITC Honda Civic S
'95 ITS Honda Prelude Si

[Doc Bro]

I would like to congratulate all the front runners on what looked like a really fun race. I would also like to say that the level of "gentleman ship" amongst these guys is great. I am a rookie, this was my 5th race. My car consistently runs like crap and I have never once felt intimidated by Ray, Ritchie, Anthony , Lorenzo or any of the other (damn) Acura drivers. These guys have passed cleanly (often acknowledging the point by with a wave) and allowed me to run to my ability without incident.
I also want to congratulate Mr. Daskam (we've never met so I don't know your first name) on keeping his composure while the #8 Acura tried repeatedly to drive you off the course. I have great in car on this! I ultimately ran myself off in Big Bend trying to get around this guy. I don't know who he was but I'll just say he could have been really fast if he didn't spend so much time worrying about blocking. Remember ... First drive the car. I learned my lesson- caused about 1K in damage...

I look forward to N.H. to race with these guys again.
Mr. Fan remember there are many opinions on racing and these guys make it look easy. Believe me it is not. Attacking someone's character may not be the wisest approach....
By the way I passed the Neon at least once and he too was gentlemanly. Sooooo.....

Rob Breault
NER
#36 ITA BMW Z3
Black

[83rx701]

Congratulation to Ray,Brian,Lorenzo,and Rich you guys did a grate job as always. to Rob B. in the Z3 It was fun racing with you for awhile I hope to do it again but end up infront of you next time. Thanks to Grant M. for helping me get my car set up right. Good luck to all the guys going to NHIS BE SAFE and HAVE FUN.

Lou Iannaccone
ITA #79 RX7
NER

[Jake]

Man - if I had known the ITA-Lite guys were going up there, I would have dragged my sorry arse up there too! Sounded like a great time. See y'all at the Pig Roast. Let's see if I still remember how to lap at NHIS.

[andrew240z]

Originally posted by Doc Bro:
II also want to congratulate Mr. Daskam (we've never met so I don't know your first name) on keeping his composure while the #8 Acura tried repeatedly to drive you off the course. I have great in car on this! I ultimately ran myself off in Big Bend trying to get around this guy. I don't know who he was but I'll just say he could have been really fast if he didn't spend so much time worrying about blocking. Remember ... First drive the car. I learned my lesson- caused about 1K in damage...

I
Rob Breault
NER
#36 ITA BMW Z3
Black

I am the #8 Acura (red/black/yellow) I would be interested to know which car you mean? I dont recall blocking anyone that was faster but I held my line as I should. I do recall our braking contest into 1 which I didnt think you were going to make. Sorry you had damamaged your car but if you were faster you could have made a clean pass somewhere. I always try to be courteous and a good racer so please let me know. I managed to remain composed after being hit on three seperate occasions in this race!

[Doc Bro]

Andrew 240z if you are going to NH I'll be glad to bring the in car footage I have. I rode behind you for several laps. One of the "hits" appeared to be you moving toward Daskam from my viewpoint not the other way around. Suffice it to say I am certainly not trying to offend you but at times when you were in traffic your line was rather inconsistent, especially into big bend. Your more than welcome to see the footage I have if you feel that I am being harsh. That is not my intention at all I can assure you. But I was very nervous about passing you- which is why I tried to pass so quickly and went off. I applaud you for outsmarting me. I should have drove my line and my race and not worry about you but I didn't (sucks to be a rookie!! http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif) and it cost me. Your car appeared to handle real well from the tape-it looked like you could put it where ever you wanted and it would stick. I was Jealous!

Rob Breault
NER
#36 BMW Z3 ITA
Black

[andrew240z]

Thanks for the kind words and feedback. I have been on the otherside of the braking contest and lost as well. I wont be in NH as I usually run more southern venues. Is Daskam the Prelude? from my viewpoint he did not have position on me. his tire marks are behind my door. doesnt he need to be in front of my door to be considered for a clean pass?

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[Doc Bro]

I'll keep the tape in the trailer for our next Lime Rock together. I'll supply the beer. You supply the next tape that will HOPEFULLY show me in front of you!!! http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif
Cheers!
Rob

[RSTPerformance]

andrew240Z-

"doesn't he need to be past my door"

not IMO... Both people need to leave some room and remember that if the tire mark was on your door where was the front of his car???

Wasn't at the event didn't see anything, so my comments are NOT in relation to this incident or any others mentioned above in this crazy series of upset postings. Looks like this race was a wreak... I am sure the fans loved is but I am Glad I missed it http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/smile.gif

Raymond "wow, this is better than racing I think http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif" Blethen

[benspeed]

Congrats to Reilly, Sabetello and Greggory - 1st, 2nd and 3rd in ITS - I heard the report all three had excellent, clean runs. Those ITA guys are putting us to shame at LRP!

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BenSpeed
#33 ITS RX7
BigSpeed Racing
NNJR BoD - Treasurer
[email protected]
NNJR

[lateapex911]

Noooowwwww Ben.....don't make me dig up the list of ITS screwups I've seen! LOL...

And, of the two cars that were real blockers to me, one was the ITA Porsche and the other an ITA neon.

So it's fairly even to me...not to mention this was a predominately ITA race as you ITS boys were all of on luxurious vacations.. http://ITForum.ImprovedTouring.com/wink.gif

And, as a commnet on the post regarding how far alongside you need to be, I think you'll find general agreement that a tire mark on your door is evidence that the passer indeed had rights to the corner.

I know that if I was that far alongside, I'd be steamed if I had the door slammed on me.

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[gran racing]

Where the tire mark really doesn't mean much. I could do a dive bomb move, get one of my pretty front tires beyond 1/2 way on your car then call it the other driver's fault.

I was a bit surprised that I honestly enjoyed watching the ITA / ITS race even more than the ALMS. Although those cars were pretty amazing! The start was pretty nuts and I thought there was going to be many more cars involved and damaged.

Jake - want to borrow some duct tape for your beaten-up car? I've got color choices of yellow and red. :P Too bad to see your car get damaged like that but glad to see you were able to race with one less caliper working.

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Dave Gran
NER ITB #13
'87 Honda Prelude si