its race

[jcmotorsports]

well gow did everyone finish???? really missed not being able to play!!! i will be back for the august race. going to barber motorsports park to test the new motor on july 9!!!! then i have a seat in the 12 hr at nelson.
john costello

[benspeed]

It was a good race. I started 14th after motor trouble during qualifying. Melted my plugs and had to reset the timing - motor ran like crap. The race was a good clean start from my view, I ran up to about 8th and then lost my brake pedal going into big bend - Carl B did a nice job dodging me as I went down the escape route. I pumped up the brakes and went back out, seemed to have some pedal, so took it a little carefully the rest of the race and worked my way up to 7th to finish. I know Nick and John tangled coming out of big bend for the lead and John took the win. Jeff Henerderson was leading the race when his motor blew - major bummer for him. Rob Driscoll took second and is looking very strong for the championship right now and Ed "the Tizzer" Tisdale came in an excellent third - a great finish. I teased him he's starting to pull away from me in the points!

Final mention - the new engine was bone dry at the end. When I parked it I saw the last quart of oil drain onto the ground. Guages all looked good driving back to paddock but SH*T. I will be have a "conversation" with my race shop this AM. Had to calm down for a day before I call.

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BenSpeed
#33 ITS RX7
BigSpeed Racing
[email protected]
NNJR

[jcmotorsports]

ben
i will give you a call!!!!
john

[Karl Bocchieri]

Ben you scared the crap out of me, I thought the new paint job was history. Sorry about the engine, see you at the next one.

[benspeed]

Karl - do you have the final results? I just looked at the provisionals. Dropped off the car last night and we'll see if the motor is toast.

[RSTPerformance]

ITS/ITB race...

Hummm...

I was very surprised that my brother, Scott Carlson and I would have qualified mid pack in ITS!!! In the race results Stephen and Scott would have finished near the top. RX-7's and BMW's were the only car to finish ahead in qualifying and the race. They all could have their own spec classes there is so many of them!!! Anyway good racing, somewhat clean group from my perspective, although I think a few of the ITS cars need a few lessons on passing slower cars, in qualifying and in the race. You all need to realize you have at least 50hp more than us little ITB cars, we are the slowest of all IT classes ( I find it amazing that ITC cars are faster than us, but that I will keep my comments to myself http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif ).

Keep it safe; there were a few close calls and one unfortunate incident. When we are in deep battle also so make sure we see you before you make a crazy move!!!

Also to support the ITS guys, and even a lot of the faster ITB guys... newbies, stay on line, but leave racing room... no need to drive the center of the track and make it difficult for people to pass... if you stay on your line, your race is "unaffected" and so is ours as we can easily move past. If you stay in the middle you make a huge traffic jam that is very very dangerous for everyone behind you. If you need help learning the line ask someone for the help, before going on the track. All of the racers (I would hope) are willing to help.

Raymond "Overall please, but I think we all were a bit lucky" Blethen

[SamITC85]

Raymond,
The only reason ITC cars are maybe a little faster is because of the type of track Lime Rock is, momentum. I know in my car I was basically flatout from the left hander to Big Bend on a really good day (I think I had one really good day there in 4 years) and a slight lift at West bend on a not so good day. You guys have to at least lift at the uphill and at west bend that is a lot of momentum lost right there. just my humble opionion though, and since I haven't been out tehre in 2 plus years I don't knw what is going on now.


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Sam Rolfe
TBR Motorsports
#85 ITC VW Rabbit
#85 GP Scirocco

[16v]

Sam you do know they run the track counterclockwise now right? ;-)

[jwsbmw325]

Originally posted by SamITC85:
Raymond,
The only reason ITC cars are maybe a little faster is because of the type of track Lime Rock is, momentum. I know in my car I was basically flatout from the left hander to Big Bend on a really good day (I think I had one really good day there in 4 years) and a slight lift at West bend on a not so good day. You guys have to at least lift at the uphill and at west bend that is a lot of momentum lost right there. just my humble opionion though, and since I haven't been out tehre in 2 plus years I don't knw what is going on now.

[Greg Amy]

Any results posted anywhere?

[jwsbmw325]

I think it takes 2 to tango and the ITB guys, if you relaize you are the slowest group, should also have a re-fresher course in paying attention to your mirrors...Just becuae the GCR mandates that it is the responsibility of the overtaking car to make a safe pass, doesn't mean you can be oblivious when the front runners are coming through......

[Rabbit05]

I threw my brake pedal out... http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/biggrin.gif
Hey Dave C., thanks for the draft, I had a great time running with you Miata guys.

John ITC Rabbit 05

[Karl Bocchieri]

results would be posted here
http://www.mohud-scca.org/Race/index.html

[This message has been edited by Karl Bocchieri (edited June 24, 2004).]

[benspeed]

The 16th Annual
John Stim Memorial Race
presented by the Mohawk Hudson Region SCCA, Inc. under SCCA Sanction Number 04-RS-166-S
run on the 1.53 mile Lime Rock Park, CT road course on June 17, 2004
Group 5: ITB, ITS, SRX7
Official Race Results

Pos. C/P No. Class Name Laps Best Laptime Ave.Speed Car Make Mem Reg Sponsor
1 1 11 ITS John Stewart 17 01:01.947 86.118 BMW 325is 210664 NYR Auto Technic, LLC
2 2 25 ITS Robert Driscoll 17 01:01.855 85.975 BMW 325is 310680 NER AutoTechnic.net
3 3 22 ITS Ed Tisdale 17 01:03.403 85.232 BMW 325is 175853 NER C-Tech Racing Rentals
4 4 77 ITS Mark Gregory 17 01:03.034 84.564 Mazda RX7 253372 NER Rosmar Racing
5 5 97 ITS Mike Carr 17 01:03.438 84.009 Mazda RX7 247652 NER Carr Tool Co.
6 6 80 ITS Karl Bocchieri 17 01:04.193 83.409 Mazda RX7 228948 NYR
7 1 87 ITB Scott Carlson 17 01:04.914 82.452 Volvo 142 E 193518 NER Swedish Pit
8 2 50 ITB Stephen Blethen 17 01:05.627 82.433 Audi Coupe GT 270387 NER www.rstperformance.com (http://www.rstperformance.com)
9 7 33 ITS Ben Phillips 17 01:04.098 81.876 Mazda 279825 NNJ Big speed Racing
10 8 04 ITS Nick Leverone 17 01:02.234 81.861 Mazda RX7 200602 NER Flatout Motorsports
11 9 70 ITS Brian Bagnall 17 01:04.881 81.521 Mazda RX-7 280468 NER Marie Isabelle Media
12 10 48 ITS Roger Daskam 17 01:04.645 81.486 Honda Prelude 269720 NER Grand Prix Service
13 3 49 ITB Phil Hunt 17 01:05.497 81.320 VW Golf 104595 NNJ Phil's Foreign Car Service
14 11 92 ITS Eric King 16 01:04.563 80.956 Mazda RX7 210228 SJR Endurance Karting
15 4 51 ITB Raymond D. Blethen IV 16 01:05.902 80.932 Audi Coupe GT 270356 NER www.rstperformance.com (http://www.rstperformance.com)
16 5 99 ITB Jerry Monaghan 16 01:06.298 80.793 VW Golf 242931 NNJ Village Auto Works
17 6 63 ITB Richard Gleason 16 01:05.469 80.715 VW Rabbit GTI 084658 NER Northen Fabrication
18 7 2 ITB Nat Wentworth 16 01:06.342 80.146 Saab 900 288966 NER Eriksson Industries
19 12 9 ITS Dean Dezak 16 01:06.107 79.573 Honda Civic 327776 NER Law Office of Kerrie-Anne Pedone Dezak
20 8 65 ITB Greg Subtelny 16 01:06.397 79.534 Volvo 142 133730 GLN Ithaca Foreign Car Service
21 13 66 ITS Erik Shifflert 16 01:05.433 79.527 VW GTi 281932 NER
22 9 07 ITB Joel High 16 01:06.654 79.314 VW Rabbit GTi 093282 NNJ
23 10 95 ITB Charles Gerundo 16 01:06.771 79.246 VW GTI 310709 NYR D's Exterminating
24 11 16 ITB Eric Pedersen 16 01:06.133 79.215 BMW 318i 220923 NER Performance Automotive
25 14 5 ITS Larry Moloney 16 01:06.573 79.101 Mazda RX7 325574 NER Shannon Racing
26 12 1 ITB Dave Austin 16 01:08.075 78.659 BMW 320i 281480 MHR Smarty's Auto
27 15 4 ITS Wesley Saunders 16 01:07.386 77.389 Mazda RX7 336377 NER BBS Business Service / RX7 Parts & Sales
28 13 17 ITB Jason Benagh 16 01:08.870 77.349 VW Scirroco 198775 NER
29 14 10 ITB Shawn Fohs 16 01:08.826 76.524 VW Rabbit 036574 CNY
30 15 3 ITB Robert Albino 16 01:09.335 76.800 BMW 322889 NYR
31 16 18 ITS David Maynard 15 01:03.874 84.529 BMW 325i 321721 NER 3D Auto Works Inc.
32 17 6 ITS Jeremy Randall 15 01:05.779 80.987 Mazda RX7 331179 NER JR3 Enterprises
33 16 32 ITB Steven MIller, Sr. 15 01:10.769 75.342 VW Rabbit GTI 103391 NER
34 17 21 ITB Canio Tartaglia 15 01:10.474 74.522 BMW 318 234695 NER
35 1 42 HS3 Michael Lawton 15 01:09.940 74.371 Alfa Romeo Spider 318611 NER
36 18 09 ITS Ian Linscott 15 01:09.569 73.366 Mazda RX7 334759 NER Thunder & Lightning Racing
37 19 61 ITS Taimour Afshar 14 01:12.104 72.553 Mazda RX7 191468 NYR Afchron Clocks
38 20 02 ITS Maurizio Cerasoli 14 01:14.468 70.659 341191
39 18 88 ITB Henry Russell 14 01:12.521 70.260 VW Golf 338103 NNJ
40 21 52 ITS Jeff Henderson 13 01:01.581 84.835 BMW 325i 310679 NER AutoTechnic.net
41 22 71 ITS Michael Sabatello 13 01:03.351 83.882 BMW 325i 312842
DNF DNF 86 ITB Tim Mullen 6 01:07.513 78.079 VW Golf 289989 NER Diamond Calibration Service
DNF DNF 7 ITS Joseph DiMinno 2 01:05.632 77.488 Nissan Sentra SER 310729 NEP MY OWN MONEY
DNF DNF 62 ITS Mark Lovell 0 --:--:--.--- - Mazda RX7 291703
DNS DNS 8 ITS Paul Mandell 0 --:--:--.--- - BMW 325i 204264 NYR
DNS DNS 69 ITB Michael Reece 0 --:--:--.--- - VW GTi 117665 NYR
& Car #3 penalized one place in class per Chief Steward (GCR 9.4.2.B.)
Elapsed Time: 18:07 __________________________________________
Margin of Victory: 1.797 seconds Marie Sheehe Heacox, Chief of T&S
Posted at:__________________________________ 6/19/04
AMB Identification & Timing

[Greg Amy]

<font face=\"Verdana, Arial\" size=\"2\">Official Race Results</font>

Looks like there's a lot of good stories in there that we're not getting...

[benspeed]

One good story - my motor survived. Turns out something hit the front oil coooler and ruptured it. Must have been at the very end of the race - very lucky. I'll be at NHIS.

Hmmmm....maybe I can setup a Batman oil slick device....

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BenSpeed
#33 ITS RX7
BigSpeed Racing
[email protected]
NNJR

[Greg Amy]

So here's what I want to know:

- how in the heck did Mark Gregory pick up so much time? Nice job!
- how come Ed T. lost so much time?
- 1:04s, Ben?
- Nick, what's up? 10th place...? Traffic, accident, mind on your pending World Challenge race?
- What happened to Joe DiMinno? One of us has got to do well, man!
- ITB cars 7th and 8th overall?!?!?!? Hey, Ben, they have "ITB" written on the side; you know, where your tire marks usually go? <grin>
- Wazzup with Henderson and Sabatello? both off on Lap 13...story there?
- Who in the hell is going to beat those Auto Technic cars???
- Tim Mullen: DNF in the new car? Wuh happened?

Man, I don't go to one race, and the whole world goes to hell...

[ITSRX7]

Nick qualified first and went around Big Bend on lap one in 2nd when Henderson rocketed by on teh straight.

Nick was spun out from behind in Big Bend, had to wait to get back on and then charged through the field to finish where he did.

Hendo was leading, running HARD and then blew up.

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)

[benspeed]

Originally posted by grega:
So here's what I want to know:

- how in the heck did Mark Gregory pick up so much time? Nice job!
- how come Ed T. lost so much time?
- 1:04s, Ben?
- Nick, what's up? 10th place...? Traffic, accident, mind on your pending World Challenge race?
- What happened to Joe DiMinno? One of us has got to do well, man!
- ITB cars 7th and 8th overall?!?!?!? Hey, Ben, they have "ITB" written on the side; you know, where your tire marks usually go? <grin>
- Wazzup with Henderson and Sabatello? both off on Lap 13...story there?
- Who in the hell is going to beat those Auto Technic cars???
- Tim Mullen: DNF in the new car? Wuh happened?

Man, I don't go to one race, and the whole world goes to hell...


I know - 1:04s and getting beat by my old car kinda sucked. Soft brake pedal is like forgetting to take viagra before your date with (insert favorite tramp). http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/eek.gif

[benspeed]

PS - the big story is Mark Greggory - this man is on a mission. Fresh tires and getting used to his new ride has made him a front runner!

What happened to Dave Maynerd in his red E36? I saw him parked before the bridge at the downhill.

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BenSpeed
#33 ITS RX7
BigSpeed Racing
[email protected]
NNJR

[TimM ITB]

- Tim Mullen: DNF in the new car? Wuh happened?

Greg A - I will explain when next I see you. But suffice to say, a banzai move by an ITS midpacker (I think) in the downhill put me in a "no win" situation. I ended up first on one side of the track, then on the other side of the track into the tire wall. Couldn't get it re-fired, and got to watch the rest of the race. --- just wish the ITS had waited for the straight - it would have made a lot more sense than the chance he took at the Downhill. Oh, and he continued on.

Tim M

[16v]

Originally posted by TimM ITB:
I ended up first on one side of the track, then on the other side of the track into the tire wall.

made for wild series of images, I'll tell you that! I've never seen a car on two wheels twice in that short a period of time

http://the16v.com/SCCA/04/lrp1/images/DSC_8845.jpg

http://the16v.com/SCCA/04/lrp1/images/DSC_8847.jpg



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Doug :)
NER.org (http://ner.org)
the16v.com (http://the16v.com)
briansgarage.com (http://www.briansgarage.com)

[ed325its]

Originally posted by grega:
So here's what I want to know:

- how in the heck did Mark Gregory pick up so much time? Nice job!
- how come Ed T. lost so much time?
- 1:04s, Ben?
- Nick, what's up? 10th place...? Traffic, accident, mind on your pending World Challenge race?
- What happened to Joe DiMinno? One of us has got to do well, man!
- ITB cars 7th and 8th overall?!?!?!? Hey, Ben, they have "ITB" written on the side; you know, where your tire marks usually go? <grin>
- Wazzup with Henderson and Sabatello? both off on Lap 13...story there?
- Who in the hell is going to beat those Auto Technic cars???
- Tim Mullen: DNF in the new car? Wuh happened?

Man, I don't go to one race, and the whole world goes to hell...
________________________________________________
We did miss you...

I got blocked by Sabatello for the first 3 laps as the leaders pulled away and then traffic began. Ran fast but never got a clean lap.

Mark was on a mission, he was in my mirrors the entire race.

As to the race, I was very impressed with the point-bys afforded me. Everyone was using the mirrors well. A lot is said of the entire group to have run without a full course yellow and only limited local yellows with that many cars in the race.

Sometimes the fast cars have to pass anywhere they can and can't wait for the straights because we are also racing for position.

Ed aka "Tizzy"

[ITSRX7]

Originally posted by ed325its:

Ed aka "Tizzy"

HEY! You don't get to pick your nickname!

You're "The Tiz" or "Tizzer" !!!!

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)

[ulfelder]

Regarding the Tizzer:

For optimal New England effect, of course, you drop the terminal "r" when pronouncing this.

Examples:

"There goes the Tizza!"

"Tizza had a pissa lap!"

"Did Mahk get new tiyas, or what? He's all ova Tizza's bumpa!"

/Steve Ulfelda
05 ITS

[Greg Amy]

You guys are too much! I'm sorry I missed such a fun-filled race; I could have done well if I kept my nose clean.

Hey, Tim, was the red Honda fading away in Doug's photo the one that you're referring to? Is this the same guy that was at NHIS?

If so, I do not want to make public comments other than to note that he was a novice in the driver's school at NHIS, and after watching him during the school and the race I meant to walk over and have a chat with him at the end of the day...I wish I had.

Email me and we can discuss in private: grega-at-pobox-dot-com

[RSTPerformance]

Well as far as the ITB cars finishing 7th and 8th.... we just ran clean and consistant! Me and Scott had a great race and went side by side in the uphill probably more times than we went single file! My fast race time was 3/4 of a second slower than qualifying because almost every lap we where side by side through at least one turn! We had a great race even though I ended up in slot #2 at the end. I think I led well over half the race but it only takes one lap to win. It was awesome to have two different types of cars that are faster at 2 different spots of the track. It was neat because we could each get along side of eachother at different spots. I guess that's what I like so much about IT.

As far as lap traffic goes... that's what ultimatly created the only passes that me and scott had with eachother. We completed only three passes on eachother and they all where a result of lap traffic in the downhill. Yes we where racing for that numero 1 position but we both wanted to race in a month without bodywork! For me I finished second because I didn't make that bonzai move in the downhill, but I also have no dents and a car I can again have fun with at the next race. It seems like more people are getting that mentality that we are here to have fun not to win at all costs! I thank everyone for that because those first two races of the year where terrible! 44 cars on track with ITB and ITS sounded like disaster but instead it turned out to be very good except for maybe tim's incident. I do have a couple of interesting things on video like an ITS BMW locking up the tires in the downhill in qualifying because at the last min he decided 3 wide was not going to work but overall I saw nothing to crazy! I think with some more practice in lap traffic I will be able to "use" them more to my advantage! I realized after watching my video that I should have lifted in the middle of west bend so me and scott both had to go very slow in the middle of that turn so we would have caught lap traffic at the exit of the downhill not in the middle of it.

Good job to everyone and I can't wait to have as much fun in the next event! And when I say everyone I mean the drivers and definetly the organizors as well. The event went very smoothly!

Stephen

[gran racing]

I used to hate being passed on the down hill, but if done right it really shouldn't be a problem.

Some of us slower cars that often get passed also have some responsibility of where and when we'll be passed. For example, if I see one of the front running ITA cars coming up behind me I may lift a little at the top of the hill to all them to pass me in the straight of the down hill (obviously depends on the situation). That way the pass is done before the apex and I don't need to lift and lose the crucial momentum my car needs on the straight.

At the same time, people shouldn't be completely taking away the apex and doing bonzi moves on the apex of the down hill. Otherwise we both cars will go off the track. The slower car can often protect their line through the apex while not slowing the faster car up much and being safe.

All of this is said so generically and really depends a lot on the case by case senerio. And yes, I've been on the passing side of the spectrum going down the hill as well (especially when running in EMRA with some of the slower run groups). The faster car needs to set up the pass correctly as well. So I guess it really lies on both drivers.

I definately agree it is not worth being stupid about anywhere on the track. The first priority is to be safe and bring the car home without too much damage...then the plastic trophy.

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Dave Gran
NER #13 ITA
'87 Honda Prelude

[jwsbmw325]

Nick was spun out from behind in Big Bend, had to wait to get back on and then charged through the field to finish where he did.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Hey Andy - Nick and I touched coming toward the 2nd apex of Big Bend, i did not spin him from behind. I'm sure have fun w/ me at NHIS if I can make it....

[ITSRX7]

Hey Andy - Nick and I touched coming toward the 2nd apex of Big Bend, i did not spin him from behind. I'm sure have fun w/ me at NHIS if I can make it....


You're right, you touched his rear bumper and he spun! http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif We will have to give you a look-sie at the video...

Hope you can make it. You guys could make it a 1-2-3 in the points!

AB


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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)

[jwsbmw325]

Originally posted by ITSRX7:

[b]
You're right, you touched his rear bumper and he spun! http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif


So Nick has front and rear video cams?? Man you guys ARE high-Tech!! However you look at it, it wasnt intemntional - I would have preferred to have a clean race with him. As for NHIS - I think it is doubtful due to family obligs, but we'll see...definately look for me at the Glen.......

[ITSRX7]

We even had a camera pointed insided your head so we knew what you were thinking before you did!!!

Seriously, we hope "the customer" can get up here. It will be a great weekend.

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)

[This message has been edited by ITSRX7 (edited June 30, 2004).]

[16v]

Originally posted by ITSRX7:
We even had a camera pointed insided your head so we knew what you were thinking before you did!!!

we pioneered that in the C car. It was the Mushcam

[jwsbmw325]

AB - who is "the customer" ??? Have it yoo-uh way. I hit him right squay-uh in the bumpah!!! Go Sox! NO-MAAAHHH!! KNO-AAHK IT RIGHT OVAH THE TAWP A' THE MON-STAH!!!!!

[ITSRX7]

"The customer"? YOU!

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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)

[benspeed]

Yeah, Baby! let's git it on! NHIS is going to be a blast. Double baby! My car is healthy again!

What's the deal with no garages?

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BenSpeed
#33 ITS RX7
BigSpeed Racing
[email protected]
NNJR

[ITSRX7]

What do you mean no garages? I made my reservation already.

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)

[benspeed]

Andy - it was a typo online. The garages are available and I booked next to you guys so I can spy on all that top secret Flatout stuff you guys do! http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/biggrin.gif

Test day is also open on Friday for $150.00

I also have a set of good Hoosiers for sale - about 6 heat cycles into them. 225/45/15 Anybody want 'em let me know and I'll bring. Looking for $450. They're last year's edition.

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BenSpeed
#33 ITS RX7
BigSpeed Racing
[email protected]
NNJR

[dominojd]

Originally posted by benspeed:

Test day is also open on Friday for $150.00




The test day is fri instead of thrus?


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Crazy Joe
#7 ITS pilot

[ITSRX7]

I think there is a half day Thursday and a full day Friday.

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
ITS RX-7 & Spec Miata 1.6
New England Region R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com (http://www.flatout-motorsports.com)