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67ITB
05-08-2004, 07:07 AM
OK Lets have them.

What went down in ITB??

Thanks
Matt Bal

16v
05-08-2004, 10:47 PM
more carnage I heard

Tkczecheredflag
05-09-2004, 12:06 AM
Looking for ITC as well please.
Tim Klvana

16v
05-09-2004, 12:16 AM
I was told a Rabbit came close to or got the track record :-o

lateapex911
05-09-2004, 08:20 AM
in a 35 car ITA/ITC field, one of the three ITC cars was around 9th on the grid! With a 1:04.6 (?). In the 4s for sure.

Did not back it up in the race, but Brian Mushnick went off big in West Bend, so we only had 3 racing laps and 6 or 7 overheating laps while they yanked the bunny back to its wheels and put the wall back together. He was fine, took a bow. One car incident, he thinks he had a sudden LF puncture. I certainly saw some very agressive driving (too agressive as I was half overlapped on one car twice and had to take to the grass, all four wheels once http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/rolleyes.gif ) and a pass of two cars under the double yellow, which interestingly didn't come out for at least a lap after the incident. I found it pretty sad that after seeing the mess, and knowing they HAD to go full yellow, that anyone could possibly miss not one, but two or three flag stations. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/rolleyes.gif

The ITA lap record took a shot, but also held, as Anthony Serra backed up his testing times from Tuesday with a 1:01.9 in qualifying. Went a 1:02s in the race I think.

I'll let the ITS/ITB boys fill us in on that group, but there was a lot of carnage, indeed. After the race, one multi car team was having difficulty deciding the order to send the cars to thh bodyshop in...

ITS pole was taken by an E30 BMW! Kip VanSteenberg rented a Flatout car and was up front as well. The E30 looked fast in the race and was an absolute DEMON on the brakes.

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

Fiesta#80ITC
05-09-2004, 09:07 AM
Yes 104.6 for ITC

Tom Blaney
05-09-2004, 10:07 AM
If anybody has the results I'd like to see them too. I didn't bother to hang around, throwing away $225 for two laps seemed rather pointless.

As far as Anthony goes, Rich and I were creeping up on him and I think it was just a matter of time. Keep in mind that the new tire is quite quick, and it had a lot to do with the fast times.
IMHOC !!

R RACER
05-09-2004, 12:27 PM
Any incar pics of Brian's shunt? that must have got his attention! They should have red flagged are group and fixed the wall properly, $55.00 a lap at lime rock is a little much, Brian's is gonna have to buy the beer at NHIS to make up for this one! I'm glad he was in one piece,better there then the downhill. Looked like lots of carnage this weekend. Everyone one I have spoken with is going faster on the new tires.I remember when 4's was the fast number in A. Hope to see everyone at Pocono.

pfcs
05-09-2004, 12:49 PM
excuse my ignorance, but what are the new tires that'll make me go SOOOH fast-I (really) want to get some. Phil
Also-when a drive needlessly and blatantly "takes someone out" or in the second case hits (me) at the downhill apex resulting in a near rollover, isn't it pretty traditional to come over and make amends? Whats the problem here?

p99ro
05-09-2004, 01:14 PM
WOW. WOW.


I didn`t miss a thing. saved $500.00
WOW I`m sorry to you all. That indead sucks.
Glad the flying Mushnik`s is ok.
WOW. See at the next feast of speed.
Scott CRX 09 ITA NER

lateapex911
05-09-2004, 01:23 PM
The new tires are the new Hoosiers. Not easily available in all sizes yet....hence I was out on last Septembers tires. Hoping they can get some to me soon so I can get testing and figure out the setup!

Anthony (R Racer) has data aq. and says he sees big improvements, but I will let him fill us in on that if he wants.

As a side note, Greg Amy, Dick P and I got together at the snack bar at lunch and showed the flaggers, grid folk, and all who wanted to see, the various H & N systems. I think reactions were very favorable, and word got up the pipe to Topeka, where the word was also complimentary.

The region had a tough one on the tire wall deal, there was a lot of grumbling after about how we over spent for out track time. I have no idea of the decision process, but I imagine the timelie was a tough estimate, and the need to get a backhoe out of the paddock was the deathblow. Maybe if you all want to let me know I can voice the drivers opinions at the next comp board meeting.

On the upside, we did did get 8 1/3 races in a Lime Rock day, AND an extra worker session for the H&N demonstrations as well.

Huge numbers of entries...between all car counts if you consider SSM and SM to be in the IT camp, we had about half the cars registered.

Finally, and this one event can't be considered (necessarily) as the case everywhere, but from a numbers distribution standpoint, IT is healthy but lopsided. S and A had over 50 cars between them. B and C had under 20. C was 3. Redistribution could be a thought here, and gives stewards more flexibility to re-org run groups when things get filled up.

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

16v
05-09-2004, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by R RACER:
Any incar pics of Brian's shunt? that must have got his attention!

There were two cameras in the car from my understanding. The front facing camera, upon impact tore from the mount on the cage. The other camera bent it's mount. I will get the tapes from B tomorrow and see what's on them. Hopefully they show us something.

Sucks I couldn't attend the event :-(



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Doug :)
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lateapex911
05-09-2004, 05:00 PM
Brian had a third cam. He asked me before where to put it...too bad I didn't tell him to put it in DanOs car!

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

Karl Bocchieri
05-09-2004, 08:21 PM
Group 8
ITS
1 Sabatello E30 BMW 1.02.029
2 Driscoll E36 BMW 1.02.238
3 Stewart E36 BMW 1.02.638

ITB
1 (16 OA) Gleason VW GTI 1.05.441
2 (17 OA) Curran Volvo 142 1.05.962
3 (21 OA) Mullen VW Golf 1.06.584

Race only went 11 laps

lateapex911
05-09-2004, 09:34 PM
heres a few "highlites" of group 2:

ITA
1 A. Serra 102.615 Q:101.9 Integra
2 R. Hunter 102.958 Integra
3 T. Blaney 103.586 CRX
4 B. Rodier 103.669 Integra
5 D. Vigliotti 104.179 Civic
6 R.L.Chee 104.968 Integra
7 D. Sheppard 105.350 Miata
8 R Benazic 104.891 Miata
9*S.Ohlinger 104.926 Golf GTI
10 J Gulick 105.116 RX-7
11 P. Cardozo 105.740 Civic
12 M. Decunzo 106.642 BMW 2002
13 G. McStay 106.151 RX-7
14 L. Schlemmer107.538 CRX
15 K. Truszkows108.005 CRX
16 J. Fischer 108.203 MR-2
17 D. Gran 108.263 Prelude
18 M. Bucella 108.382 RX-7
19 R. Daskam 110.95 Prelude
20 D. Case 110.166 Civic

*Penalized for passing two cars under yellow.

ITC
1 J. VanDenburgh 106.8 Q: 104.6 VW Rabbit
2 C. Johnson 110.967 Escort GT
3 A. Appleton 113.050 Ford EXP

ITA had 6 no shows, (3 Integras, 1 CRX, a Golf and a 240SX) and ITC had 1 no show, a VW Rabbit.

ITA started 32, 1 DNF. Imagine if the 6 had showed~ a 38 car ITA field!

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

Dave Zaslow
05-10-2004, 07:19 AM
Warning. Rant Mode On

Boy am I pissed.

Near the end of the race I spun in Big Bend and ended up near the outside, on the pavement, looking up-track. The blessed corner workers immediately started furiously waving yellow flags. So did the workers in the “outpost” which is line-of-site directly down the front straight. No matter, almost everyone continued into that corner at full race speed. So one green/white Mazda did not slow. When it finally became painfully obvious to him that there was a blockage on the pavement, he hit his brakes and then spun into me hard. Very hard. Now the corner workers were even more furiously waving yellow flags with two cars on the pavement. Did people gather it together? No freakin’ way. One red/white Mazda had not a clue what a flag means; started to slide and I thought I was going to get nailed again. He barely got it together and drove through the small space between the two wrecked cars (and all the glass). What if a worker was attending to one of us? Are you all so addicted to the red mist that you’ve forgotten what a waving yellow means to yourselves and the workers?

The car is a write-off. While I am a little physically sore, I am more disappointed that my fellow racers did not care enough about me or themselves to ‘do the right thing”. I understand the comm radios were blazing with complaints from the workers and officials regarding overdriving the yellows. From my wide-eyed perspective I would have written down 20 car numbers and had a stewards request for action send them all packing for the season. Until someone comes forward and gives someone a real penalty this will continue.

And no, I did not file a protest. By the time I was calmed down enough to think, the protest period had ended.

Rant mode off.

Wrecked Rabbit GTI shell for sale. McMahan cage bent at passenger’s door. No sunroof.

Mr. Blaney, I guess I won’t need those tires soon.

Dave Z

ulfelder
05-10-2004, 09:17 AM
Dave, that was me who hit you and I'm sorry as hell. I think I've tracked down your phone number (NYC, correct?) and was planning to call you tonight.

What I think you may not understand is that I came through only a few seconds after you; in my in-car video, your spin is clearly visible. I was somewhere between start/finish and my braking zone when you spun.

The first yellow I saw was waved frantically by a worker inside Big Bend - not farther uptrack, and not at the outpost, where it would have been visible earlier. When I saw it, I had completed my braking and turned in, with the left side of the car heavily loaded. Perceiving the yellow and your car more or less simultaneously, I lifted or tapped the brakes again - not sure which - and that's what caused my spin.

I have watched my in-car only on the tiny screen, so it's possible I have missed something. However, I am 99.9% sure that when I came through, the only yellow out is the one I mentioned.

So I humbly suggest to you that what I'm guilty of is poor car control at a critical moment, rather than red mist or recklessness.

As to our fellow drivers, I tend to agree with you. Many, many seconds after I hit you - presumably with waving yellows further uptrack - people were coming in way too hot.

If you'll email me with your contact info ([email protected]), I'll send you a copy of my tape and you can judge for yourself. I'm also willing to post it here if someone helps me digitize it.

/Steve U
05 ITS

ITSRX7
05-10-2004, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by Dave Zaslow:
One red/white Mazda had not a clue what a flag means; started to slide and I thought I was going to get nailed again. He barely got it together and drove through the small space between the two wrecked cars (and all the glass).

Dave Z

That car was me (as I am sure you know). In the interest of maintaining some semblance of professionalism, I would ask that you call me to discuss your 'perspective'. My response to your assertions may not be appropriate for this board. 508.697.8111

FWIW: File some papers next time if you REALLY believe what you are saying AFTER you get the facts.

AB



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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region
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Jake
05-10-2004, 10:23 AM
Interesting to note that an ITC car could have won the ITB race, and an ITA car could have won the ITS race. These facts in addition to the top-class heavy structure of IT underlines the need to drop backmarkers into lower classes.

rbt510
05-10-2004, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Fiesta#80ITC:
Yes 104.6 for ITC

Jeff -
Unbelievable time. What is the old record 105.3 ?? So what are your plans this year?

I preparing for Pocono double. Hope to see you there. I see Chris and Drew are registered.
Bob

RSTPerformance
05-10-2004, 11:33 AM
What has made the ITC cars 1 second a lap faster than last year??? I don't understand at all how fully developed cars go 1 second faster... That is such a HUGE gain!!! While I am pleased, I would like to make these changes on my ITB car as well!!!

Raymond "please don't tell me the tire story again" Blethen

gsbaker
05-10-2004, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by lateapex911:
...As a side note, Greg Amy, Dick P and I got together at the snack bar at lunch and showed the flaggers, grid folk, and all who wanted to see, the various H & N systems. I think reactions were very favorable...

Thumbs up guys!

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

gran racing
05-10-2004, 03:01 PM
Oh Raymond, please don't! It is going to be extremely hard as is next year. If you start going another second faster I'll never get to see you.

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Dave Gran
NER #13 ITA
'87 Honda Prelude

Marianne
05-10-2004, 03:28 PM
Thanks to all the drivers who supplied helmets for theworkers to see how the various devices work. It is good to know and Ihope I never need to use the knowledge.

Marianne

Jay R. Creel
05-10-2004, 03:57 PM
In the 8th race, was the field frozen at the time the leader spun in big bend? and #16 ultimately got the win?

what a great battle.. Would love to see an in car tape of that, especially the early laps where there were 3-5 cars diving into big bend with #16 out braking them all nearly every time.

Good show guys.

RKramden
05-10-2004, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by ulfelder:
The first yellow I saw was waved frantically by a worker inside Big Bend - not farther uptrack, and not at the outpost, where it would have been visible earlier.

Interesting Suggestion.

The outpost is PAST the flag station, but because of visability, you see it first....

ulfelder
05-10-2004, 04:39 PM
I wrote:
"The first yellow I saw was waved frantically by a worker inside Big Bend - not farther uptrack, and not at the outpost, where it would have been visible earlier."

I hope it's clear that I'm not criticizing workers. Judging from my video, a corner worker was waving a yellow no more than 3-4 seconds after Dave began to lose it -- a superhuman effort.

moto62
05-10-2004, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by RSTPerformance:
What has made the ITC cars 1 second a lap faster than last year??? I don't understand at all how fully developed cars go 1 second faster... That is such a HUGE gain!!! While I am pleased, I would like to make these changes on my ITB car as well!!!

Raymond "please don't tell me the tire story again" Blethen

Easy enough. Dig deep into your pockets and drop some coin at a reputable performance shop instead of at your local junkyard. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/tongue.gif
Ray
PS- ....and do yourself a favor, buy the new sticky Hoosiers. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif

RSTPerformance
05-10-2004, 08:39 PM
I dug deep... found and old recipt from when I had money... back when I could at least afford the junkyard http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif

Raymond

gran racing
05-10-2004, 08:58 PM
And the junkyard ain't cheap! I just paid $60 for one silly VW wheel. But of course it only weighs 8 lbs. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif

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Dave Gran
NER #13 ITA
'87 Honda Prelude

67ITB
05-11-2004, 02:45 AM
Steve U,
Glad to hear everyone is OK.
You spoke like a true gentleman in your explanation of what happened.
Having known you and raced with you for almost 10 years I know you would never intentionally endanger a fellow racer (or yourself for that matter) again glad everyone is OK and sorry to hear about all the cars damaged this weekend


Guys,
Still looking for ITB from 3rd back to.... Wherever 67ITB finished. If it finished. Do I still have a car???

Race safe and see you all soon
Thanks
Matt Bal
Ps I still think you Flat-out guys don’t like VW’s (Just Kidding)

TimM ITB
05-11-2004, 06:33 AM
Matt;

The order for ITB at Lime Rock this past weekend:
Richard Gleason VW GTi 1:05.411
Paul Curran Volvo 1:05.962
Tim Mullen VW Golf 1:06.584
Phil Hunt VW Golf 1:05.885
Dave Austin BMW 3.20i 1:07.968
Eli Garrett VW Sirocco 1:08.060
Nat Wentworth Saab900 1:07.294
Dave Zaslow VW GTi 1:08.712
Charles Gerundo VW GTi 1:09.159
Shawn Fohs VW GTi 1:11.113
Stephanie Funk Opel Manta 1:10.214
Steven Miller VW GTi 1:12.287
Stephen Blethen Audi Coupe 1:12.074
Mark Wagner MGB 1:14.161

Couple of notes:

Don't be fooled by Stephen Blethen's time - he was driving Ray's car (the red one) and they are having serious engine problems (can't get it to rev past 4500 rpms). Also, Dave Zaslow got pretty much totalled in Big Bend at the end of the race - I don't if we will be seeing the "Blue Igniter" again for awhile - if at all (he's also in the middle of building an A3 Golf). Jeff Lawton (driving Tommy Kelly's old yellow VW GTi) went for a serious ride in qualifying and was not able to start the race - he's pretty fast already in this new car for him. Good race, but lots of people off at various times!!

YOU Stay Lucky and get home soon!! Take care.

Tim Mullen

Karl Bocchieri
05-11-2004, 10:31 AM
I was the 3rd car in the line going into turn 1 and you were still spinning when I first saw you. Unfortunatly that is a very fast spot, I was already commited to the inside by trying to make a late brake pass on the inside. As soon as I saw you lose it I diden't lift off the brake and continued to slow. With 3 guys fighting for a spot there is not much room there amd we all were already commited by the time the flag came out. I also have a Mazda (silver 80) and it gets quite loose under trail brakeing and I think that also happened to the green/white Mazda. He was outside, tried to slow and tighten his line to avoid you but lost the rear and slid into you.