Gutting passenger door

[RR]

help! can you remove the passenger side door panel and replace with aluminum sheet.

[ddewhurst]

Yes, if the alum is .060 thick & securely attached to the door.

Have Fun http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif
David

[Knestis]

"remove passenger door" != "gutting"

(that means 'not equal to')

To be clear, you can remove the panel but there is no allowance to cut anything out.

K

[ddewhurst]

Kirk, only two people posted. Are you screwed up or trying to screw up the two previous posters ? No one said anything about gutting the friken door. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif

Have Fun http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif
David

[Jake]

Read the friken subject of the thread. Kirk is right as usual.

[x-ring]

I'm not sure about Kirk being right.

When I took Math 452 (Mathmatical Logic), not equal to was written "<>" rather than "!="

http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif

[Knestis]

PHP scripting condition...

[ddewhurst]

Jake, did ya ever read the title of a book & find the story was different than the title. His friken question point blank is, "can you remove the passenger side door panel and replace with aluminum sheet". Answer the question, not the title.

Kirk, if you have something to say use words.

Have Fun http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif
David

[planet6racing]

Am I going to have to turn this forum around? Don't make me do it! You'll be sorry!!

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[Knestis]

I sometimes don't know if you are "having fun" or not, David but will assume that you are for the sake of this conversation...

I was a junior high school teacher and since then, studied in an education PhD program with some people who were very clever about the sociological implications of policy - particularly the role of symbolism and language as it relates to issues, positions, and power.

When a kid would ask me, "Is it OK if I...?" my experience - often painfully gained - taught me to address the issues underlying the question or answer the question that was implicit in the words being chosen for my consumption.

My more recent work only reinforces my belief that we choose language purposefully so you can expect me to think that title was NOT incidental: It matters to the discussion.

If the real issue at hand was the part of the interior that can be replaced by .060 aluminum, why choose the word "gutting" in the title? It might be that RR's use of the term is conconsistent with commonly held definition of the term but if this is NOT the case, and someone here answers "yes," that might well be taken as inaccurate advice that it is acceptable to cut metal in the door structure.

What does "door panel" mean in the question in the body of the post? Just the door "card?" The inside surface of the structure? Something else? We don't know and before anyone points out that my question is both pedantic AND semantic pick and read ANY question about rules from this forum: They are ALL about semantics.

K

[ddewhurst]

Bill, it's lunch hour so relax & have a beer. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif

Skipping all the small talk. The title is the overall topic. The sentence is the specific question RR was asking. Look in the GCR glossary if you don't know the defination of a door panel. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif Many times people exploit a subject for their personal benefit which is http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/frown.gif.

Have Fun http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif
David

[Knestis]

...and your complaints suggest that you believe I am reaping some "personal benefit" here.

What is it again, beyond the expectation that when I have a question for this forum someone will take the time to think about and answer it, too?

K

[This message has been edited by Knestis (edited March 05, 2004).]

[JohnRW]

Originally posted by Knestis:
...and your complaints suggest that you believe I am reaping some "personal benefit" here.


Grassy knoll 'conspiracy theorists' and 'evil conflict of interest crusaders' on the Prod boards have poisoned minds, and the infection has spread to other boards.

Sudden rush for seats in the arena. Will it be pistols at 20 paces or keyboards at DSL speeds ?

[planet6racing]

Why don't people ever go for the old fashioned mace? Or how about a Joust! I can see it now, 2 IT cars on a drag strip aimed at one another, each "knight" holding a jousting pole out the driver's side window. The fair maiden drops her handkerchief and both cars charge toward one another. Upon contact, one car is knocked toward the outside wall while the other continues virtually unharmed. The knight of the first vehicle recovers without hitting anything, both "knights" get new jousting lances, and they are off again...

Yeah, it's Friday, can you tell?

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

[JohnRW]

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-04.htm

[Russ Myers]

Since Kirk was a teacher in a (I guess) public school, why not cafeteria biscuts at 20 paces.
Russ

[lateapex911]

You'll lose!

Kirk is young, thin, (tough to hit) in good shape, and a guy who will probably calculate the ricochet off the water fountain to bean you in the back of your head when you least expect it!

PS, he has a good point about "gutting", and a little clarification is often a good thing.

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[This message has been edited by lateapex911 (edited March 05, 2004).]

[Knestis]

While Kirk is 10+ pounds thinner than he was when he met Jake, at 42 he's sure as hell not going to claim "young."

K

[Jake]

We have a winner!! The stupidest argument in a thread!!

"Subject: Gutting passenger door"

D: "No one said anything about gutting the friken door."

Kirk - you should know better than to clarify an answer. How dare you.
That reminds me of another question I had about removing the windshield washer bottle: Can I drain the washer fluid? http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/tongue.gif

<---- ducking and covering.

OK - I guess we learned 2 things tonight boys: Kirk has too much time on his hands, and David isn't all about having fun - he's looking for an argument. Me - I guess I have too much time on my hands and am looking for an argument because I think it's fun? Naaaah.... I just need to get some sleep. Baby is crying and tech inspection is tomorrow.

Have fun,
Jake

RR, run for your life before they put a straight jacket on you too. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif
LOL, you guys are hilarious

[ddewhurst]

***That reminds me of another question I had about removing the windshield washer bottle: Can I drain the washer fluid?***

Did your car come from the factory with an empty windshield washer bottle. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/biggrin.gif

Continue the Fun http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif
David

[dickita15]

[quote]Originally posted by ddewhurst:
Did your car come from the factory with an empty windshield washer bottle. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/biggrin.gif

yes but it became empty thru normal wear and tear
dick

[Bill Miller]

I am really sorry that I even looked at this thread. I read the initial two posts, when they were the only two posts. Noticed that there were 20+ posts, so it piqued my interest. Valuable lesson here.

[Bildon]

>> Did your car come from the factory with an empty windshield washer bottle.

Probably not. The fluid was added later at dealer prep. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif

- Bill

[dyoungre]

Actually, washer fluid is a factory fill item. As a resident engineer at an assembly plant, I am well aware of warranty claims that dealers make at PDI (Pre-Delivery Inspection) for washer fluid top off. It's about $2, not a big deal, but it counts as 1 repair, and we get dinged (internally) for poor quality, equal to an engine pull. So: If you purchase your new vehicle from a dealer, the washer fluid better be full; and I'll really be mad if the washer bottle is empty AND I got dinged for the fluid top off by the dealer!

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Dave Youngren
NER ITA RX7 #61

[grjones1]

Originally posted by Bildon:
>> Did your car come from the factory with an empty windshield washer bottle.

Probably not. The fluid was added later at dealer prep. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/smile.gif

- Bill

Yea, and we should be allowed to take the frigging glass out of the passenger door too. So there. What about that thread?
GRJ http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/rolleyes.gif



[This message has been edited by grjones1 (edited March 08, 2004).]

[Racerlinn]

I hate to "highjack" this old thread back to it's original question (although the "discussion" that ensued is certainly entertaining), but has the question of the style/size of the 0.060 aluminum sheet ever been addressed? My specific question: can I use multiple pieces of sheet to cover the door face? Working with multiple smaller pieces would be easier than one large one when it comes to fitting it to the door. As long as I still cover the entire surface, would this be considered "legal"? Anyone have any first hand experiences or recommendations?
Thanks!

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Steve
'92 ITS(A?) SE-R
www.indyscca.org

[lateapex911]

I feel (I'm going to start all my answers that way from now on...my counsel advised me to that end! http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif ) that you sould have no issues, as the overlaps of the panel would creat a situation where you have more weight than you would with a single peice.

That said, and I know you didn't ask, but removing components from within the door cavity is a no no, nor are you allowed to break your glass and place it in a bag at the bottom of the door, although many guys want to for various competitive and safety reasons.

Practically speaking you should be fine.



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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

[ddewhurst]

Steve, I have a 1st gen RX-7 & replaced the interior door panel with one piece of .060 alum IIRC 17 inches x 48 inches ech side. The bare door at the top where you would rest your arm if you were playing Wilbur the window leach has an approx 4 inch raised area. I attached the alum at the bottom of this raised area & custom fit it to the other three sides of the door. Didn't require the full 48 inches but that was a simple buy because the stuff comes in a 4 foot x 8 foot sheet & I had them cut two 17 inch pieces. The cost was approx $40.00. Purchased the stuff from Metal Express who has places around the middle of the country. Try www.metalmart.com (http://www.metalmart.com) for a potential lcation near you.

Jake, the words are replace the interior trim panel & I dought anyone has bent the sucker ovver the top edge of the door like the original. That would be tough for the normal racer to do with .060 material. http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif Thought I would CMA.

Have Fun http://Forum.ImprovedTouring.com/it/wink.gif
David

[Geo]

Steve,

How soon do you actually need these panels? When we make Bruce's panels we're going to make a template to make exact copies pretty quickly and easily. I've already done this with my 944.


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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com

[Racerlinn]

Originally posted by Geo:
Steve,
How soon do you actually need these panels? When we make Bruce's panels we're going to make a template to make exact copies pretty quickly and easily. I've already done this with my 944.


No great hurry, just looking at the next step I can take in preparation for next spring. Let me know what you come up with, I'd love to see it.


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Steve
'92 ITS(A?) Sentra SE-R
www.indyscca.org